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Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2
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The Muslims will make the same claims and yet have billions of unreached people worldwide too. What makes your claim better than theirs?
Islam IS the most popular religion worldwide, Christianity is on the decline and been on the decline for a long time now in the developed world. It will continue to be that way.
iBeng is spot on, that is extremely arrogant. You are telling me that being born in Australia is the right circumstance? what about those who are born in the 3rd world countries? they are born in the wrong circumstances? How is Christianity helping Africa? You are mistaking your privilege for 'right circumstances'. In other words you are stating you are 'given a privilege' over other people and a head up on morality simply because you read a book? That is extremely disrespectful yet expected from 'my religion is the right religion' brigade, hence i don't associate myself with any religion. Muslims in this thread were none different.
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Its like saying people born with black hair will be treated better in heaven than those of us with blonde because thats just how it is. Its not my fault I wasnt born into a christian family but heck, Im going to be well behind you in the queue to Gods sauna of eternal bliss because I was born in the wrong circumstances.
You could argue that this is all part of Gods plan, maybe God wants me to work harder for his love and he chose to give yourself the easier ride by putting you with a family that'll "raise you right" while I'll have to get desperate sometime in my 40s and seek God to become a born again believer.
Exciting!
You could argue that this is all part of Gods plan, maybe God wants me to work harder for his love and he chose to give yourself the easier ride by putting you with a family that'll "raise you right" while I'll have to get desperate sometime in my 40s and seek God to become a born again believer.
Exciting!
In European culture specially or in Christianity, how many black/chinese/asian looking gods/prophets/angels have you seen? all gods have blonde hair, blue eyes. Maybe thats what he meant by privilege. Bloody hell even Adam and eve were white lol
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I have blonde hair and blue eyes!
But my daughter got her mothers brown eyes
And she has brown hair, so shes really down the pecking order.
I have blonde hair and blue eyes!
But my daughter got her mothers brown eyes
Punishment for leaving Christianity...i will see you in hell then brother.
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At least it'll be warm! I assume they have marshmallows, but since its hell, they never melt in the flame. Truly a horrible place.
Atleast you can chill out with some intellectuals like Hawking, Dawkins, Hitchens, Einstein, Feynman, Shakespeare etc. While Cardinal Pell and the catholic pedos will welcome them to heaven. LOL
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I dont think Catholics are going to Christian heaven
I heard Muslim heaven is more fun..
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I don't know what metric you're using to measure 'popularity' but if it's the relative 'numbers of adherents' you're wrong by almost half a billion.
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As long as you dont mind teaching...a LOT of teaching...
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I used to think of it as the reason why Christ hasn't yet returned.
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Its quite interesting that non-religious is up to 1.1 Billion and, I suspect, climbing.
US/Europe/Australia are all on massive decline. Its only on the up in 3rd world countries.
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Ohhhh ... I see.
So when you said "Islam IS the most popular religion worldwide" you weren't including third world countries. Why don't you consider them part of the world? Is it because they're full of yellow and brown people? Strange, I didn't think of you as being a closet racist. IMO it would've been far better just to admit your statement was wrong rather than try and ignore certain segments of the earth's population in a last ditch effort to appear correct.
With education stupid beliefs go. This is happening in 3rd world countries as well, even in the Middle East but not as fast as in Europe. The reason why it's up in 3rd world countries is cause of their population growth. Islam will be the most popular religion in the world, in the next decade or so..so i stand corrected.
I had this chat with Vdubs, for example,in Sweden people (including myself) are registered with the Lutherian church, we have to, by law. We are counted as christians, yet we are all atheists. Younger people in Europe are majority atheists, the decline of christianity will continue as older people die out.
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Not sure you're improving your position much there. Your argument now appears to be that 3rd world countries don't count because they don't have any schools and they're too stupid to practice birth control.
Bookmarked. Hopefully we're both still members here to discuss it then.
Kudos. We got there eventually. Was really all that needed to be said.
I totally concur that this would've been the case 20 years ago but not now. The defining term used is 'adherent'. You're not an adherent. You should be considered part of the largely irreligious group categorised as 'unaffiliated' which makes up more than 30% of Sweden's population.
People with less education i meant, hence 3rd world countries. I spend 3 months out of a year in several 3rd world countires, people would believe anything. Whether Allah is coming to save them or Jesus hugged them at night. If you look at the demographics of religion you will see religion is the most important in all 3rd world countries and in decline in the US. In Europe (the birthplace), it's almost dead.
I am listed as a christian in Sweden, so is my wife. The same in Switzerland, as we pay church tax and plenty of atheists do too. The numbers are inflated.
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People with less education i meant, hence 3rd world countries. I spend 3 months out of a year in several 3rd world countires, people would believe anything. Whether Allah is coming to save them or Jesus hugged them at night. If you look at the demographics of religion you will see religion is the most important in all 3rd world countries and in decline in the US. In Europe (the birthplace), it's almost dead.
I am listed as a christian in Sweden, so is my wife. The same in Switzerland, as we pay church tax and plenty of atheists do too. The numbers are inflated.
Did you glance through the substantive article on Sweden's modern religious landscape I posted earlier?
Were you both baptised in the Lutheran Church? Did you answer 'yes' to the the survey question 'Do you believe in God?' The document also talks about frequency of prayer etc.
I go to the church, if you been in Sweden you know you go to the church for cultural reasons, not because you believe in Jesus. When i got my Swedish passport (family member route), i had to tick a box, (choice of religion). I wasn't given a choice as an atheist. Might be for the people born there but i wasnt.
However, members of Church of sweden don't really believe in christ, as i told you, being christian there is much more of a culture and got nothing to do with religion.
Only 15 percent of members of the Church of Sweden say they believe in Jesus
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Why are you relying on a short article from almost a decade ago when I've just posted the seminal work on this issue, published less than a year ago and running to 108 pages?
I do not have the time to go through 108 pages, so i cannot critically examine what's written there and I am not relying on any article, i lived there for a number of years. Calling yourself a Christian is cultural there. I would say more than 90% don't believe in Christ, despite attending churches. It's the same in Norway and denmark too. Hence i stated these numbers are grossly inflated.
I asked a simple question 'why create'? yet no one is able to answer this question yet, they seem to know about the properties of this deity. (aka loving, kind , caring, personal)
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