Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 14: Never failed a test I didn’t take

[ShanDog]

This is Part 14 of this thread.

Part 15 is here:

Play Nice - 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 15: "Like magic, it will disappear."

Mod Notice The level of vitriol and frankly toxic culture in this thread is getting out of hand. As such, the thread will be monitored actively for posters who drag down the quality of posting for all others, and they will have their access to the thread removed. Further, reference to TDS...

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[FlowersByIrene]

Heres capitalism in action, it WORKS people!
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Look, a FOX link and not a CNN link!

Gilead sets pricing for coronavirus drug remdesivir, could cost over $3G

Just days after getting conditional approval for its coronavirus drug remdesivir in Europe, Gilead has announced pricing for the U.S. and other developed countries, charging different rates for the U.S. federal government and private insurers.

www.foxnews.com

I agree, the US's medical etortion is disgusting. There are always caveats to total capitalism and medical supplies should be one of them.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Really don't want to disappear down this rabbit hole but has no-one ever told you about the Nordic states?

Y'know, all of which in varying degrees display a strong emphasis on socialist principles within their capitalist market-based economies, and all of which are among the most prosperous nations in the world?

Nordic states are not democratically socialist. They are states with government owned natural resources that use those funds to supply extensive welfare systems lol.

 

[iBeng]

I agree, the US's medical etortion is disgusting. There are always caveats to total capitalism and medical supplies should be one of them.

Its not just the medical sector though!

Prisons!

FEEDING CHILDREN!

POWER GENERATION!

INSURANCE!

PAY DAY LOANS!

It is absolutely RAMPANT.

 

[madmug]

Not for long.

That's a lot of GOP votes at risk!

 

[iBeng]

Not for long.

Yeah but sacrificing the elderly for the economy is GOP policy.

They had a good run. They cant be selfish now when money is at risk.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Only at the extreme, and that's sort of the point against the billionaires.

We all strive to maximise our living standard, but should also be willing to contribute to the protection of the disadvantaged. It follows that some degree of capitalism is necessary for modern society to function. It doesn't matter whether you label it a social democracy with incentives or a capitalist system with social responsibility / safety nets, there needs to be reward for productivity but effective social security.

It's a difficult balancing act, of course, as past and current experience demonstrates.

We're always going to have outliers in terms of excessive wealth and power, no matter what is the system.

You're right, it's all about the balancing act.

Which is why I get so pissed off with the SOCIALISM BAD MUH!!!! posting you see on here, when even our own bloody Coalition government maintains any number of policies that can clearly be described in varying degrees as socialist.

Intelligent people realised years ago that a blend of socialism and capitalism is the only sane way.

Anyway, not for this thread...

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

What it actually means is that looking at the issue from a good/bad, black/white perspective is for simpletons who dance like dumb puppets to whatever crap is being played - that is what it means

Except that the only person looking at it from that perspective on here is you.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

What I don't get about the RW conspiracy theorists is they are always banging on about Gates & Soros trying to ruin their lives and take their freedoms but they can't join the dots that the "special" information they get from whatever site de jour is pushing it is created & disseminated by a thinktank funded by the Koch's & their ilk who actually ARE screwing things up for everyone else.

It's either that or Russian/Chinese trolls.

And they call everyone else Sheeple . . .

Destroying trust in traditional investigative journalism and objective scientific truth is the legacy of Bannon & Co and it's made the world a much worse place.

Yes they'd never read this book, would they?

 

[madmug]

There are already societies that are democratic socialist. None of them are prosperous.

Capitalism isn’t perfect but it does incentivise people to strive for success because they can see a tangible benefit to it for themselves and their family. Then from their excess (through taxes which pay for socialist programs), those who are impoverished can be lifted up.

It’s when people love money and accumulate wealth for the sake of it that issues arise. There is no reason for any one individual to have a billion dollars. That’s when you get idiots like Soros, Gates and Bezos trying to influence political agendas with their bias.

I think the Koch's have a greater desire to use their wealth 'politically'. Ie maximise more wealth.

 

[Satan]

I think the Koch's have a greater desire to use their wealth 'politically'. Ie maximise more wealth.

Wasnt he a poster here who disappeared

 

[Maggie5]

He only names the billionaires who go against his own political bias.

That post was a sham, dressed up as a reasonable proposition.

Koch Bros, Mercer Family, Adelsons ring any bells?

Some posters do make me laugh because I can't believe they are being serious.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Nordic states are not democratically socialist. They are states with government owned natural resources that use those funds to supply extensive welfare systems lol.

That seems a pretty minor distinction to make.

 

[Janus]

Really don't want to disappear down this rabbit hole but has no-one ever told you about the Nordic states?

Y'know, all of which in varying degrees display a strong emphasis on socialist principles within their capitalist market-based economies, and all of which are among the most prosperous nations in the world?

I've heard of them. And there's nothing wrong with having socialist principles, it just can't be the driving factor in your economy. Someone has to pay for everything.

You're talking about countries that combined have a similar population to Australia and about the same level of GDP, but with a landmass the equivalent of Western Australia.

The more dense your population is, the easier it becomes to service that population because you can offer centralised services.

 

[madmug]

Wasnt he a poster here who disappeared

Not sure about that.

I do know one Koch died.

See, ya can't take it with ya!!!

 

[bourbons]

Heres an example of how capitalism keeps things fair!
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FACT CHECK: Did a Hungry Homeless Man Who Stole $100 Receive a Far Heavier Sentence Than a White-Collar Thief?

An article contrasted the disparate sentences given to a homeless man and a corporate investor.

www.snopes.com

Jesus christ.

Pretty succinct encapsulation of why that country is ****ed

 

[iBeng]

Jesus christ.

Pretty succinct encapsulation of why that country is ****ed

That's capitalism baby! It just works!

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I've heard of them. And there's nothing wrong with having socialist principles, it just can't be the driving factor in your economy. Someone has to pay for everything.

Everything is paid for in a properly-run democratic socialist economy. Such a stupid line, that.

You're talking about countries that combined have a similar population to Australia and about the same level of GDP, but with a landmass the equivalent of Western Australia.

The more dense your population is, the easier it becomes to service that population because you can offer centralised services.

Ah yes that old red herring. It's no argument at all. Compatibility to socialist policies has nothing to do with population density. Such a weird take.

Anyway, for another thread.

 

[Maggie5]

Heres capitalism in action, it WORKS people!
View attachment 903158

Look, a FOX link and not a CNN link!

Gilead sets pricing for coronavirus drug remdesivir, could cost over $3G

Just days after getting conditional approval for its coronavirus drug remdesivir in Europe, Gilead has announced pricing for the U.S. and other developed countries, charging different rates for the U.S. federal government and private insurers.

www.foxnews.com

Along with Repeal and Replace the Affordable Care Health Act, another of Trump's promises was to reduce the cost of prescription drugs.

Democrats have passed a bill in the house but has stalled with McConnell and Trump.

Democrats pass U.S. bill to lower drug prices that Trump threatens to veto

- The U.S. House of Representatives on Thursday approved legislation aimed at driving down the prices that seniors pay for prescription drugs, but the bill's future is clouded by President Donald Trump's threat of a veto and lack of support in the Senate.

www.reuters.com

As an aside, I only just realised that Health Care Act has been in existence 10 years, surely the Republicans have had enough time to find an alternative before the Supreme Court decides.

 

[Financialpanther]

Along with Repeal and Replace the Affordable Care Health Act, another of Trump's promises was to reduce the cost of prescription drugs.

Democrats have passed a bill in the house but has stalled with McConnell and Trump.

Democrats pass U.S. bill to lower drug prices that Trump threatens to veto

- The U.S. House of Representatives on Thursday approved legislation aimed at driving down the prices that seniors pay for prescription drugs, but the bill's future is clouded by President Donald Trump's threat of a veto and lack of support in the Senate.

www.reuters.com

As an aside, I only just realised that Health Care Act has been in existence 10 years, surely the Republicans have had enough time to find an alternative before the Supreme Court decides.

On the plus side, they can build a statue about the Health Care Act now.

 

[Father Jack]

Having protests in a substantial number of cities, Seattle, New York, Chicago, St Louis, LA, Atlanta etc. Roughly around half the most populous cities in the US. And those are only the ones i'm aware of directly. I'm sure there are more. I haven't looked into it in detail but i'd assume so, happy for you to look into it further.

How many of the cities that had protests are seeing a rise in cases? In the cities that are seeing a rise in cases, are there any other factors that could have contributed to the rise? I mean, here in Australia there were protests everywhere, but we're only seeing a dramatic rise in cases in one state (so far). What does this mean for the correlation between protests and the rise in cases? Also, do you think it is possible that there may have been an ulterior motive for blaming the rise in cases on BLM protests, and not on the early easing of restrictions?

 

[Father Jack]

That seems a pretty minor distinction to make.

It's quite simple, socialism is bad so if anything is good it can't be socialism.

 

[bourbons]

Everyone hires Bolton - globalcop needs people like Bolton - just like the resistance needs intelligence like yours

Look at you - there are a few autonomous brain cells in there - not many - but where there is life, there is hope

Dude I know you've really come unstuck the last few weeks, if your deranged posting over that period is any indication. But please, think. You're now posting about automony while doubling down on your initial statement that Trump has been 'courageous' in his response to Bolton. This is cheerleader, barracker type stuff, the furthest thing from an autonomous take that could be imagined. If 'everyone' hires Bolton, the courageous action would have been not to do that in the first place.

We both know that Trump's criticism of Bolton comes from nothing more than the 'stash breaking ranks and no longer towing the line. Its a pattern that has been repeated with other individuals more times than I can remember, they're always 'the best people' until they become critical of Trump - then suddenly, overnight, they become grifters, liars and utterly incompetent.

And you lap this shit up, time and time again. Not only that, but you gaslight and expect us to believe it as well. Its legit mind blowing. If you're not simply trolling for reactions, on this evidence you are at least as indoctrinated in the church of Trump as you accuse others of being re: the media, possibly more so - which is the only point I was making.

Trump has broken you, mate. Utterly, completely. Not for the first time, I implore you - pull yourself together for ****s sake.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

You're right, it's all about the balancing act.

Which is why I get so pissed off with the SOCIALISM BAD MUH!!!! posting you see on here, when even our own bloody Coalition government maintains any number of policies that can clearly be described in varying degrees as socialist.

Intelligent people realised years ago that a blend of socialism and capitalism is the only sane way.

Anyway, not for this thread...

Most of the “Socialism is Bad” crowd wouldn’t have the first clue what socialism is.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Most of the “Socialism is Bad” crowd wouldn’t have the first clue what socialism is.

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[iBeng]

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Finally, you let us see the real you!