Preview 2020 AFL National Draft thread

[King Corey]

Spoiler: Lore's 2020 Draft Order

 

[Conundrum]

Essendon are f’ed.

Their spine age demographic is completely at odds with their young emerging midfielders.

By the time they finally build the midfield they have been seeking for 10 years, they are going to have to replace the spine that they have been trying to compliment for those same 10 years.

They should just concentrate on the midfield then try and nab a few KPP in FA in a few years.

Not intending to pick on you personally Pykie, have seen this in several posts recently. The word is 'complement' and 'complementary', not compliment, complimentary. Even the official NMFC twitter used compliment

 

[Pykie]

To me then we would have to trade for a ball getter then if we don't grab Phillips... clearly seen this year without cunners we need another extractor to get to LDU and sympkin.... are we still thinking Campbell is worth a bid at two and potentially having to take at two?


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Why does everyone need everything, right now?

We have Thomas sitting there waiting to be developed from the wasteland of the half forward line.

LDU and Simpkin are clearly going to be the 1/2 combo in there for the foreseeable future.

If Cunnington is back it solves alot of these issues, if he's not it provides opportunity for others. Generally you can get one of the better inside mids in the top 30 picks, if we miss out on Phillips and want one we can draft one with the Essendon pick.

It's the same with the talk of trading the 2021 pick into this draft. If we looked back at last year, we probably all thought at that point we absolutely needed to invest in another few KPD's. (We still might do in this draft). However with the emergence of McKay and the recruitment of Corr, we probably only need 1 young KPD over the next 2 drafts to compliment them.

The same situation may arise if Thomas has a breakout year in midfield. Comben breaks into this side as a forward, Larkey goes to another level. Curtis Taylor moves to a wing etc etc.

It's important to be patient and let the list develop rather than going all in on a single year based on the list situation of one season.

 

[eDPS]

Essendon did do that, they invested in Hooker, Hurley, Danniher, Francis etc. Their problem is that the first wave of midfielders they got (Heppell, Melkshem, Kavanagh, Langford, Laverde are all similar types and not really up to being the #1 midfielder).

Merrett is/was a super young player, but again not a player to build the midfield around.

Parish looks to be finally coming good and McGrath will be a super player for them.


Dildo just loves drafting the same medium, not inside, not outside type of midfielder. McGrath's saving grace was he was drafted as a defender but has elite speed. He needed the #1 pick to do it though and Taranto was sitting there at #2.


Souup could be right in the fact, whilst Phillips is more inside than any of them, his body shape and size is very similar to what they already have. They may lean towards wanting a 190+ midfielder that is going to fill out into a big inside mid. They haven't had that since Watson really.

That’s a very good summary all up but just wanted to address the highlighted, McGrath was a midfielder first and foremost in his draft year. Played mostly backline at champs but was a starting on-baller for Sandringham even getting time ahead of the likes of Taranto and Setterfield.

I sat near Dodoro and Merv Keane at one game where he had 40 disposals playing exclusively midfield, wouldn’t be surprised if that was the game that he started to come into pick 1 conversation.

 

[Pykie]

That’s a very good summary all up but just wanted to address the highlighted, McGrath was a midfielder first and foremost in his draft year. Played mostly backline at champs but was a starting on-baller for Sandringham even getting time ahead of the likes of Taranto and Setterfield.

I sat near Dodoro and Merv Keane at one game where he had 40 disposals playing exclusively midfield, wouldn’t be surprised if that was the game that he started to come into pick 1 conversation.

I know he played midfield, I saw plenty of him at Brighton Grammar as well.

I more meant that he played quite a bit off half back and then was obviously developed initially as a half back at Essendon.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

I'll raise you one "Ariel Steinberg".

I can’t be anything but complimentary of Ariel.

He was our best player in the 2014 EF.

 

[eDPS]

I know he played midfield, I saw plenty of him at Brighton Grammar as well.

I more meant that he played quite a bit off half back and then was obviously developed initially as a half back at Essendon.

The usual arrogant Essendon coaching staff would have rathered give that midfield time to superstars like Craig Bird and David Myers in 2017. Hell even last year he should have been given more stoppage time, and people wonder why Essendon are having development issues.

 

[New_Roo]

Why does everyone need everything, right now?

We have Thomas sitting there waiting to be developed from the wasteland of the half forward line.

LDU and Simpkin are clearly going to be the 1/2 combo in there for the foreseeable future.

If Cunnington is back it solves alot of these issues, if he's not it provides opportunity for others. Generally you can get one of the better inside mids in the top 30 picks, if we miss out on Phillips and want one we can draft one with the Essendon pick.

It's the same with the talk of trading the 2021 pick into this draft. If we looked back at last year, we probably all thought at that point we absolutely needed to invest in another few KPD's. (We still might do in this draft). However with the emergence of McKay and the recruitment of Corr, we probably only need 1 young KPD over the next 2 drafts to compliment them.

The same situation may arise if Thomas has a breakout year in midfield. Comben breaks into this side as a forward, Larkey goes to another level. Curtis Taylor moves to a wing etc etc.

It's important to be patient and let the list develop rather than going all in on a single year based on the list situation of one season.

Personally see that as our number one need... and something we don't have backup for behind cunners... can see TT in mid but not as a ball magnet/extractor... he would be on the rotation with LDU and sympkin


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[Snake_Baker]

Why does everyone need everything, right now?

Because there's people who don't necessarily believe that nirvana is always 3 drafts away.

I can't speak for everyone else, but it's the one & only real aspect of your analysis that makes me temper your otherwise very good input around here.

 

[Psicosis]

Pick 2 & 9 will be used on best available - How often do clubs use picks in the top 10 on need over best available?

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Pick 2 & 9 will be used on best available - How often do clubs use picks in the top 10 on need over best available?

If the best available player was a Key Forward, I’d still expect us to take the best available midfielder.

If you continue to take best available, your list becomes all kinds of lopsided.

 

[Snake_Baker]

The usual arrogant Essendon coaching staff would have rathered give that midfield time to superstars like Craig Bird and David Myers in 2017. Hell even last year he should have been given more stoppage time, and people wonder why Essendon are having development issues.

Is it the "essendon people", as Worsfold would put it, who are the actually issue down there?

It seems to me that he's pretty much on the money.

They need an autocratic, no bullshit, arse kicker type of bloke like Balme to walk in there, kick heads, and clear out the rats nests.

I also reckon a lot of this was created on the back of the ASADA thing when those at the helm were doing everything they could do to placate the supporters & moneyed types, in order to stop the place from completely falling apart, and now that has come home to roost.

 

[Snake_Baker]

If the best available player was a Key Forward, I’d still expect us to take the best available midfielder.

If you continue to take best available, your list becomes all kinds of lopsided.

Bingo!

Unless it's a rare jump off the page, cannot refuse choice.

 

[Ether]

What are junior watchers' thoughts on Tanner Bruhn? Would he be a chance to fall through to our Melbourne pick?

 

[Footy Focus Podcast]

If you continue to take best available, your list becomes all kinds of lopsided.

As we need players from all positions at the moment, we don't need to worry about this yet. Just use later picks to fill needs.

This statement might be true in the 2022 and 2023 drafts when the list has more quality.

 

[Psicosis]

If the best available player was a Key Forward, I’d still expect us to take the best available midfielder.

If you continue to take best available, your list becomes all kinds of lopsided.

Not necessarily - If Hollands goes Pick 1, I'd expect us to take Logan McDonald (KPF) at 2.

I think your point makes sense if a club has a really deep group of youngsters in one particular position. We aren't deep in any position bar probably HF's, however I still think if we rate a Eddie Ford as best available at our Essendon pick, we would take him.

 

[Flawed Genius]

If Phillips is gone I'm in on a McDonald/Hollands at 2, then Bruhn at the Dees pick

 

[eDPS]

Is it the "essendon people" as Worsfold would put it, who are the actually issue down there?

It seems to me that he's pretty much on the money.

They needs an autocratic, no bullshit, arse kicker type of bloke like Balme to walk in there, kick heads, and clear out the rats nests.

I also reckon a lot of this was created on the back of the ASADA thing when those at the helm were doing everything they could do to placate the supporters & moneyed types, in order to stop the place from completely falling apart, and now that has come home to roost.

I think that would be ideal but although Worsfold makes some points he is also responsible with selection and stunting development of young players. It took them years to realise Langford wasn’t an inside mid and only now have tried to move players into different positions like Stewart to defence last week.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I think that would be ideal but although Worsfold makes some points he is also responsible with selection and stunting development of young players. It took them years to realise Langford wasn’t an inside mid and only now have tried to move players into different positions like Stewart to defence last week.

Lot's of things to be fixed, the first one being the constant short term mentality.

 

[Star]

Elliot. *******. Kavanagh.
LOL.

Was that the guy that allegedly told North not to bother drafting him?

 

[Hojuman]

Was that the guy that allegedly told North not to bother drafting him?

Yep. And he was right too.

 

[Psicosis]

I've got an enormous amount of faith in our recruiting department after the 2019 draft. Perez & Mahoney look the goods with picks in the 30's - both good users, notice a trend? They rated Comben the highest of the 3 which says something.

Excited to see what they can do with such high picks this year.

 

[Star]

I've got an enormous amount of faith in our recruiting department after the 2019 draft. Perez & Mahoney look the goods with picks in the 30's - both good users, notice a trend? They rated Comben the highest of the 3 which says something.

Excited to see what they can do with such high picks this year.

I said this to my boy last night. We rated Comben ahead of Perez & Mahoney so it was something else to look forward to for next year

 

[Rooboys Rool]

Assuming the Dees don't make finals and we get pick 9 to start with, where do people think that pick will be by draft time?

JUH and Campbell will very likely be bid on before it, pushing it out to 11.

Seems Zac Williams is likely to leave GWS and with offers suggested they will likely get a Band 1 compo, pushing it out to 12.

By the time it gets to that range, there could be bids coming in for the likes of Jones or McInnes, or even the likes of Davies or Gulden.

Seems unlikely at this stage, but could also be other free agents such as Viney or Cameron leave that attract Band 1 compo for their clubs. Plus Crouch, but I just can't see him getting a Band 1 compo (although who knows when taking the AFL's integrity into account).

Reckon it will be at least pick 12 and possibly out to pick 15.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Assuming the Dees don't make finals and we get pick 9 to start with, where do people think that pick will be by draft time?

JUH and Campbell will very likely be bid on before it, pushing it out to 11.

Seems Zac Williams is likely to leave GWS and with offers suggested they will likely get a Band 1 compo, pushing it out to 12.

By the time it gets to that range, there could be bids coming in for the likes of Jones or McInnes, or even the likes of Davies or Gulden.

Seems unlikely at this stage, but could also be other free agents such as Viney or Cameron leave that attract Band 1 compo for their clubs. Plus Crouch, but I just can't see him getting a Band 1 compo (although who knows when taking the AFL's integrity into account).

Reckon it will be at least pick 12 and possibly out to pick 15.

It’s of no consequence if academy players push the draft pick downwards.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Seems Zac Williams is likely to leave GWS and with offers suggested they will likely get a Band 1 compo, pushing it out to 12.

I'd cool my jets on that for the moment, but in the event it happens then it could be offset by the fact that he's playing for North.

Would you downgrade pick 9 one spot for Zac Williams?

Reckon it will be at least pick 12 and possibly out to pick 15.

The NGA kids that are going to be taken are gone anyway. I don't view that as a loss.

The more important thing is that the hand is forced on these picks before our next 1st round pick, and that definitely is within our power.