List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[Arr0w]

Can’t pick any holes in those targets.

Why can’t we pick them from the draft ourselves

You can never tick every box from the draft, look at the players Saints and Lions have traded in

 

[kickballfoot]

had a great first half of the season where people were even talking up as AA worthy.

No-one with half a brain thought Casboult was AA worthy. He is what he has always been, lucky he got recruited to Carlton - would have struggled to get a game at any other club.
Tries his heart out but always found wanting when the heat is on.

 

[Jimmae]

Let’s delist Kennedy........

I know you're being facetious, but how can you honestly say that the bloke is physically competing in his role?

At one point he had something like 5 contested possessions out of 15 or so. He tracks so poorly that all he can do is sit out the back for a handball or spill like a suburban footballer.

Challenge for everybody here that's so certain on Kennedy: write down what you think he's strengths and weaknesses are, and which of his strengths are AFL quality, and which of his weaknesses are unacceptable at AFL level.

Provide footage if you can, but actually break down what you think you're seeing on the football field. I'm genuinely curious.

Maybe when I'm posting on this forum, I'm communicating to a parallel universe where Matt Kennedy is a former state level sprinter? Who the **** knows these days.

 

[Pablito]

If freo lose by more than 20ish we get pick 8, otherwise it's pick 7.

 

[SurreyBlue]

I know you're being facetious, but how can you honestly say that the bloke is physically competing in his role?

At one point he had something like 5 contested possessions out of 15 or so. He tracks so poorly that all he can do is sit out the back for a handball or spill like a suburban footballer.

Challenge for everybody here that's so certain on Kennedy: write down what you think he's strengths and weaknesses are, and which of his strengths are AFL quality, and which of his weaknesses are unacceptable at AFL level.

Provide footage if you can, but actually break down what you think you're seeing on the football field. I'm genuinely curious.

Maybe when I'm posting on this forum, I'm communicating to a parallel universe where Matt Kennedy is a former state level sprinter? Who the fu** knows these days.

Give us a break Jimmie. His inside work, marking, linking and kicking was top notch tonight. If you found an issue with his game tonight then you are just running around with blinkers.

 

[DangerousD]

Levi isnt a world beater, he’s a back up ruck, he’s a back up defender and he’s a back up forward. He’s in the side because Charlie and Jack are injured and we have no one else. He’s a great man to have in the seconds to come in and fill a hole for a week or two, we shouldn’t be expecting or relying on him to drag us over the line.

 

[smashbox gill]

Priority needs to be clean ball users.
Witherden, Merrett and Wiliams are fit this bill.

I don’t want Saad at all, all he does is run 15m and then bomb it to no one.

 

[The Grover]

You can never tick every box from the draft, look at the players Saints and Lions have traded in

Yes fair call, still think at present we have underachieved with draft picks used.

 

[Cripptonite]

If freo lose by more than 20ish we get pick 8, otherwise it's pick 7.

Freo have a draft deficit so we will be picking before them regardless.

 

[95blues]

Give us a break Jimmie. His inside work, marking, linking and kicking was top notch tonight. If you found an issue with his game tonight then you are just running around with blinkers.

Obviously hasn't played AFL or Suburban footy. Seems to want everybody at the bottom of the pack following the footy (like Suburban football).

Kennedy whose contested ball winning cant be questioned yet needs work on his spread... goes and gets more uncontested footy and gets hammered. Zzzz.

 

[Jimmae]

Give us a break Jimmie. His inside work, marking, linking and kicking was top notch tonight. If you found an issue with his game tonight then you are just running around with blinkers.

What. Inside. Work.

What. Possession. Chains.

You can get a clearance without winning first or second possession from the stoppage. You can kick the ball 41 metres and if it isn't a turnover it's an effective kick.

Don't look at a stats sheet and tell me how he played. He worked hard, but he should never have been selected.

 

[Pablito]

I know you're being facetious, but how can you honestly say that the bloke is physically competing in his role?

At one point he had something like 5 contested possessions out of 15 or so. He tracks so poorly that all he can do is sit out the back for a handball or spill like a suburban footballer.

Challenge for everybody here that's so certain on Kennedy: write down what you think he's strengths and weaknesses are, and which of his strengths are AFL quality, and which of his weaknesses are unacceptable at AFL level.

Provide footage if you can, but actually break down what you think you're seeing on the football field. I'm genuinely curious.

Maybe when I'm posting on this forum, I'm communicating to a parallel universe where Matt Kennedy is a former state level sprinter? Who the fu** knows these days.

Mate he finished with 11 contested possessions, 6 clearances, 4 tackles 13 pressure acts and 70% disposal efficiency. He's a great contested player, which we don't have many of outside of Cripps and Curnow. I think you're wrong here mate.

 

[DangerousD]

Priority needs to be clean ball users.
Witherden, Merrett and Wiliams are fit this bill.

I don’t want Saad at all, all he does is run 15m and then bomb it to no one.

Is that backed up by anything? Stats seem to paint a different picture, ranked 19th in effective disposals, I must admit, I have similar reservations, but are they true?

 

[Arr0w]

Yes fair call, still think at present we have underachieved with draft picks used.

We will get a better handle on that next year

Guys like Billings was being bagged 2 years ago like some of our kids this year

 

[Pablito]

What. Inside. Work.

You can get a clearance without winning first or second possession from the stoppage. Don't look at a stats sheet and tell me how he played.

Not every player can have the spread and endurance of elite runners like Walsh and curnow. He's hands in the contest were clean in horrible conditions.

 

[Jimmae]

Mate he finished with 11 contested possessions, 6 clearances, 4 tackles 13 pressure acts and 70% disposal efficiency. He's a great contested player, which we don't have many of outside of Cripps and Curnow. I think you're wrong here mate.

He's not though, that's actually delusional...

Give me your definition of a contested possession, because I don't think you actually understand what that is.

Not every player can have the spread and endurance of elite runners like Walsh and curnow. He's hands in the contest were clean in horrible conditions.

It's not that he's not the best, it's that he's arguably the worst aside from 1 or 2 ruckmen in every game. His body is not up to the task of AFL football: his skills and game sense cannot cover for this.

Sometimes I wonder if he's actually risking an injury that will affect him the rest of his life by continuing to be out there.

 

[Pablito]

He's not though, that's actually delusional...

Give me your definition of a contest possession, because I don't think you actually understand what that is.

Oh my..so the stats sheet is wrong? Everyone else is wrong but you? Can you confirm you are saying he didn't get 11 contested possessions? Second highest for the team?

 

[HARKER]

So, we come out holding a pick #7. Pretty handy commodity.

I think we may trade that down. Maybe to Geelong for their current #15 & #16 and use those picks at the trade table.
Geelong already hold the #11 that GC gave them last year....so maybe.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Gone:

Kreuzer
Simpson
Goddard
Lang
O'Dwyer
B Silvagni
Macreadie
Moore
Polson

50/50:

Kennedy

Apparently being offered deals but surely we might reconsider:

Casboult
Murphy
Betts

Anyone see it differently to that?

 

[Gavstar]

Are the AFL reducing the minimum numbers you have to take in the draft? Or do you still have to take a minimum of three draftees?

 

[crocodilian]

Gone:

Kreuzer
Simpson
Goddard
Lang
O'Dwyer
B Silvagni
Macreadie
Moore
Polson

50/50:

Kennedy

Apparently being offered deals but surely we might reconsider:

Casboult
Murphy
Betts

Anyone see it differently to that?

I would keep Kennedy and say bye to Casboult, keep Murphy and not sure about Betts, maybe with a better functioning forward line he may be OK but slowly replace him in side morr

 

[Mr_Plow]

So, we come out holding a pick #7. Pretty handy commodity.

I think we may trade that down. Maybe to Geelong for their current #15 & #16 and use those picks at the trade table.
Geelong already hold the #11 that GC gave them last year....so maybe.

Would Geelong look to upgrade their picks? Not a bad deal for us, enables the acquisition of Saad and somebody else with speed and footskills on our radar.

I think Plowman would welcome Saad with open arms, won't have to play on the slippery guys anymore.

Gone:

Kreuzer
Simpson
Goddard
Lang
O'Dwyer
B Silvagni
Macreadie
Moore
Polson

50/50:

Kennedy

Apparently being offered deals but surely we might reconsider:

Casboult
Murphy
Betts

Anyone see it differently to that?

I had hopes for Polson but he has likely played his last game for the club on the back of that. Love the endeavour but hasnt the class for AFL.

 

[The Greek Freak]

Gone:

Kreuzer
Simpson
Goddard
Lang
O'Dwyer
B Silvagni
Macreadie
Moore
Polson

50/50:

Kennedy

Apparently being offered deals but surely we might reconsider:

Casboult
Murphy
Betts

Anyone see it differently to that?

Think that's pretty near spot on. I'd tell Betts it's time.

 

[smashbox gill]

I think Plowman would welcome Saad with open arms, won't have to play on the slippery guys anymore

Plow is close to the best lockdown defender of smalls in the AFL

 

[The Greek Freak]

Would Geelong look to upgrade their picks? Not a bad deal for us, enables the acquisition of Saad and somebody else with speed and footskills on our radar.

I think Plowman would welcome Saad with open arms, won't have to play on the slippery guys anymore.



I had hopes for Polson but he has likely played his last game for the club on the back of that. Love the endeavour but hasnt the class for AFL.

Dow and 7 for 11, 15 and 16 I'd do, but they wouldn't. Would give us a good trade hand though.