List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[Blue__Balls]

Its a joke, Clarko always gets what he wants, Clarko has a coffee with Gil etc etc

As for actual list sizes and the massive hit the AFL has taken, in 2018 the AFL made $50m, in 2019 it was $27.9m - if they can't find a way to stay afloat after a one off hit without reducing list sizes the need to get out of the industry.

As for the list, as per our history we largely agree but you want to argue. If for some reason we get to a point where delisting 7 players isn't enough to make room to add 4 then yes the players in yellow are the most likely to take a hit.

Is this arguing? Thought we were discussing it - and much more reasonably than we usually do

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I don't see "coverage for the future retirement of Jones and Casboult" as a viable reason to hold on to players who really haven't shown much.

There are other avenues to filling those gaps.

If the club sees value in retaining Macreadie over someone like Cottrell, Owies or Phillips though, then I'm OK with that. But the reasoning has to be the form and prospects of the players, not their position.

 

[Metalcrusher]

What point of difference does Witherden give us to Newman and Docherty. Steady good kicks without a lot of pace.

Saad changes our backline. Long kick with pace. Harry and CC will love the ball coming in quick. There were times Saad made McKernan look good.

Just don't want to give a top 10 1st rounder for a 27 yr old HBF.

**** Reece Witherspoon. Pass.

 

[fnm_just a man]

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So did you make a mistake or do you really think Brent Daniels is worth 12 - 15. If so Shirley you can't be serious.

I think he’s in the ballpark .. the same as I see him in a similar value range to Saad .. granted 12-15 might be a little overs, but not outrageously so, imo. I like him.

 

[DangerousD]

What point of difference does Witherden give us to Newman and Docherty. Steady good kicks without a lot of pace.

Saad changes our backline. Long kick with pace. Harry and CC will love the ball coming in quick. There were times Saad made McKernan look good.

Just don't want to give a top 10 1st rounder for a 27 yr old HBF.

Preaching to the converted, I don’t think we will give our first pick, I think we will split our first pick, * will get a late first and we will have a late first.

I am questioning the logic of people who say things like player A (not best 22 at club) is better than player B (top 3 at his)

 

[Arr0w]

I don’t understand this.

Witherden isn’t best 22 at Brisbane, Saad finished 3rd in Essendons BandF

And how are both sides tracking?

 

[Kruezing]

No word from B70 yet ...

 

[bluekidjoe]

We'll give a first pick (next years) and rightly so. Give it the old Stephen Wells and be reasonable. Saad is 27 with 4+ years left.
With Williams and a possible mid addition (Crouch/Perryman/Caldwell/Graham), this offseason turns us into a contender.
Why wouldn't we pay a first round pick when he's worth it and it gets it done.
Don't forget we have Brodie Kemp coming in, he's like a brand new first rounder next year.

 

[BluesRule]

Do we really though? Especially if we're likely getting rid of BSOS, Goddard, O'Dwyer, Moore on top of Kreuzer retiring.

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Looking forward, I think we need another KPD and another ruckman to develop. I mean real key position defender, not a3rd tall type, we're set there for a while. I feel KPF is less important, you can play undersized for a bit if need be, like the tigers did pre-Lynch, but you don't want to run out of depth in the ruck of KPD department.

Wonder if Sam Skinner from Brisbane might be cheap cover as a KPD. Has a few years development, but not best 22 so should be a cheap trade (OOC)?
Previously trained with our group pre-draft.
For the ruck I really hope we can get young Walsh in the second or third round of the draft.

 

[Juice030103]

Would rather Witherden than Saad

I wouldn’t at all

 

[Juice030103]

And how are both sides tracking?

Don’t arrow. Don’t. You just debate narrowed. Witherden is on a much better side. Saad on a shit side and was nearly all australian. Let’s not be ******ed

 

[Macca43]

Is this arguing? Thought we were discussing it - and much more reasonably than we usually do

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I don't see "coverage for the future retirement of Jones and Casboult" as a viable reason to hold on to players who really haven't shown much.

There are other avenues to filling those gaps.

If the club sees value in retaining Macreadie over someone like Cottrell, Owies or Phillips though, then I'm OK with that. But the reasoning has to be the form and prospects of the players, not their position.

And I am trying to say that the reason we have those players on the list in the first place is to develop into key defenders to replace the likes of Jones and Casboult and the reason they haven't shown much is because of a lack of game time, MacREadie having suffered significant injury, BSOS having only been on the list for 2 years and covid wiping out the reserves for 2020.

"If the club sees value in retaining Macreadie over someone like Cottrell, Owies or Phillips though, then I'm OK with that."SO we agree and there is no need for further discussion.

 

[Arr0w]

Don’t arrow. Don’t. You just debate narrowed. Witherden is on a much better side. Saad on a sh*t side and was nearly all australian. Let’s not be ******ed

How about we keep an open mind then

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Our wings next year should be Williamson and Newnes/LOB, even if we get Zac.

Willa showed so much in his first game there that he needs to stay IMO, especially with Newman coming back and the possibility of Saad coming too.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I think he’s in the ballpark .. the same as I see him in a similar value range to Saad .. granted 12-15 might be a little overs, but not outrageously so, imo. I like him.

Fortunately liking him doesn't really have any bearing on value.

He'd be a late second if we were feeling generous.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Our wings next year should be Williamson and Newnes/LOB, even if we get Zac.

Willa showed so much in his first game there that he needs to stay IMO, especially with Newman coming back and the possibility of Saad coming too.

Inclined to agree.

He likes to burst out the back of a contest with the ball, and being higher up the ground gives him more options if the heat is on and he needs to pass the ball off.

And when he is able to break free and gain some territory, his delivery to the forward line has the potential to be quite damaging.

 

[fnm_just a man]

Fortunately liking him doesn't really have any bearing on value.

He'd be a late second if we were feeling generous.

Like him as a footballer, I mean. If that’s the case though, all the more reason to get in his ear. I doubt Giants would consider a late second but it’d be sweet if they did!

 

[Macca43]

You are talking of a one off hit as it’s a year where you haven’t made a profit, lots of businesses are set up to lose money for a month or two or could keep their heads afloat for a prolonged period, but aren’t we talking of hundreds of millions in losses?

Do the list cuts help the AFL or the clubs more?

The AFL had to take out a $500M loan this year to stay afloat, hardly just a one off hit, it’s a lifetime of hits in one go.

At the end of 2019 the AFL had net assets of $239m, more than double what it was in 2010. $184m was in cash and cash equivalents.

The $458m operating surplus they made in the 2019 year was distributed in the following ways;
$314m to the clubs (an average of $17.5m)
$38m to the AFLPA
$58m to game development
$12m in ground improvements
$1m to the AFL foundation
$6m in facility improvements
$27m Profit

The AFL clearly has the capacity to a) absorb a loss of "hundred of millions of dollars" and b) carry a loan of "hundreds of millions of dollars" c) trim their distributions by close to $100m

 

[Macca43]

Our wings next year should be Williamson and Newnes/LOB, even if we get Zac.

Willa showed so much in his first game there that he needs to stay IMO, especially with Newman coming back and the possibility of Saad coming too.

Seemed to be spending a bit of time on the wing on Saturday night and looked pretty good.

 

[HARKER]

What point of difference does Witherden give us to Newman and Docherty. Steady good kicks without a lot of pace.
Saad changes our backline. Long kick with pace. Harry and CC will love the ball coming in quick. There were times Saad made McKernan look good.
Just don't want to give a top 10 1st rounder for a 27 yr old HBF.

People are entitled to see things the way they care/choose to see them, but Witherden would be a wasted pick.
He may be a good player for us, but so could Williamson, Newman and even Stocker or O'Brien in the backline.

The point would be that he'd mostly replace something we already have. That's bad business.......very bad business.
We need speed, spread and run & carry.

 

[bluekidjoe]

Seemed to be spending a bit of time on the wing on Saturday night and looked pretty good.

Also noticed this. Evaded well, used pace well, and has the dash.

 

[Macca43]

Also noticed this. Evaded well, used pace well, and has the dash.

Hit the scoreboard.

 

[Juice030103]

How about we keep an open mind then

I’m happy to keep an open mind but let’s not act like withderden would help us more than saad

 

[DangerousD]

And how are both sides tracking?

I dont see the relevance

 

[thedan29]

No room for Williamson

He starts on the wing over O’Brien for mine. Loved his attack on the footy and delivery inside 50 against the lions on the weekend

 

[Lukey Skywalker]

Also noticed this. Evaded well, used pace well, and has the dash.

To with that he plays with aggression & some spunk which we lack + hes a great size & really has some power. could be a great wingman with all the attributes. Whats even better is he got through the season fit