Preview 2020 AFL National Draft thread

[King Corey]

Spoiler: Lore's 2020 Draft Order

 

[Nutjob]

I’m really certain in my view that McDonald doesn’t turn out to be any more than a handy forward. Maybe even a complete bust.

Double grabs, I don’t think he offers much at ground level, and his all round agility is poor imo.

I’m teally sceptical about taking Hollands with his knee, but would much prefer him to McDonald.

I have the complete opposite view in everything you have stated.


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[andana]

The closer we get to the draft the more it is pi$$ing me off that * got a compo pick for the Giraffe.

pick 8 for saad?

 

[the big lebowski]

- Agree with you regarding the double grabs. It's one of the biggest red flags with key forwards. Hence why I said I don't think he's ever going to be a monster contested mark and was one of my biggest queries on him for the last 6 months.

- Can't agree with you on the ground level ability and the agility. Whilst he isn't a freak, jump on peoples shoulders type. He bustles around at ground level and through traffic like a midfielder. Almost like a shorter Brody Grundy. He can turn on a dime, turning circle is really non-existent. He's an elite ground ball player for a 196cm 90kg KPF.

-You can't discount his kicking either. Given his ability to get up and down the ground, he's going to be a genuine goal threat from 60m and closer to the goal. Not everyone has that sort of penetration in their kicking, Ben Brown

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Ben Brown

Age

33

Ht

200cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

2.2

5star

D

7.9

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.6

1star

M

3.7

4star

T

0.9

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.2

4star

was an example of someone who didn't. Fevola a great example of one who did and used it regularly.

Who do you think is better at ground level. Thilthorpe or McDonald?

 

[the big lebowski]

I have the complete opposite view in everything you have stated.


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If he ends up at North I will certainly hope you are proven correct.

 

[Harris 10]

pick 8 for saad?

that's carlton's supidity

 

[Pykie]

Who do you think is better at ground level. Thilthorpe or McDonald?

McDonald.

Thilthorpe has him well and truly covered for general athleticism though, he may be in the top 4 or 5 athletes in the draft.

 

[Shinboner1]

I’m really certain in my view that McDonald doesn’t turn out to be any more than a handy forward. Maybe even a complete bust.

Double grabs, I don’t think he offers much at ground level, and his all round agility is poor imo.

I’m teally sceptical about taking Hollands with his knee, but would much prefer him to McDonald.

I think that's why the club is considering perkins early. He offers some hollands qualities and other great things without the knee problem.

 

[Nutjob]

It's looking less likely we might be able to get one of the quality KPP at #11.

Chapman might be the only one that is available there and he's more of a Jake Lever

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Jake Lever

Age

29

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.6

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.3

3star

MG

242.0

4star

D

9.6

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

3.1

2star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.3

2star

MG

145.4

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

11.0

4star

HB

5.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

189.8

4star

style intercepting 3rd tall defender. (He'd be a good get though)


I think the safest result at the moment is McDonald or Thilthorpe at #2 rather than Hollands from a list balance perspective.

I wonder if a split with * on the night is still a possibility. We could potentially take Perkins and Cox/Reid with 6&7 and still have 11 on the board?

I’m not advocating we do this, but with the talk we’re heavily into Perkins, it leads me to believe it’s a possibility. I think if McDonald is still there at 2, * will come knocking.


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[the big lebowski]

I think that's why the club is considering perkins early. He offers some hollands qualities and other great things without the knee problem.

I think I’m going to be salty for years when Phillips turn into the inevitable gun midfielder he will turn into and he’s running around for someone else.

 

[Nutjob]

If he ends up at North I will certainly hope you are proven correct.

I must be seeing things. Both you and Pykie have said he double grabs at marks. I think those highlights show the opposite and that he was very clean with his marking.


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[FootySmartSimpson]

Not many of those highlight had much do to with his size. It was all agility and athleticism.

It wasn't exactly Tom Boyd punching up on some 17/18 year olds going mark->goal in 10 consecutive highlights.


Thilthorpe is fascinating, if he genuinely struggled with his groins this year and it effected him athletically, he's probably just about the best player in the draft then when he gets fit.

Damn it man! I was finally at ease with this process after you convinced me with the McDonald comment regarding his work in general play and below the knees. Now you go and make this awesome statement about Thillo and send me back to square one. Its going to be a long 5 days 'til draft night.

 

[DrZaius]

I wonder if a split with * on the night is still a possibility. We could potentially take Perkins and Cox/Reid with 6&7 and still have 11 on the board?

I’m not advocating we do this, but with the talk we’re heavily into Perkins, it leads me to believe it’s a possibility. I think if McDonald is still there at 2, * will come knocking.


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I'm of the view that a draft hand of 2 & 8 is better than 6,7 & 11. All this talk of us trading pick 2 for only 2 of *s picks really doesn't make a lot of sense to me as all we'd be doing is giving * a leg up.

If they are that desperate for a player at pick 2 that won't be around at their later picks it should be for 6,7 & 8 otherwise no dice.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

I think I’m going to be salty for years when Phillips turn into the inevitable gun midfielder he will turn into and he’s running around for someone else.

We're gonna miss out on a lot of guns in a lot of drafts.

Phillips obviously has his fans here but there must be a reason that the only time he's linked to us it's in passing and sparingly. Hell, I've seen more about Perkins to North than Phillips to North and Perkins wasn't necessarily our second pick two or three months back.

 

[Deaneus!]

Thanks mate. Really chuffed that you are so interested. While others here may well know our strategy, I don't, so can't help you there apart from to suggest you ring our recruiters and get the good oil from them. I'm sure they'll be tickled pink to give you the info.

And when you do that, please get back to us with everything you've learnt. Thanks again.

Appreciate your concern in our list strategy...

I'd advise that you channeled that concern to your sub par u22 year olds. North are far more advanced with the kids they currently have, then Adelaide are. Further to that, we have the same amount of first rounders this year. Next couple years are not going to be easy for North, but Adelaide is in for a much tougher time IMO.

I’ll pick the obvious error and say, *than

Umm, to build a list that produces a better finish than second last on percentage?

We are taking 5 selections.

2 x first rounds and 2 x second rounders + a late pick

We picked up a 21 year old former top 5 pick in the trade period.
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What would you prefer we did?

right, scroll past the dickhead answers

[QUOTE ="King Corey, post: 68171216, member: 1548"]
14 cut, list size changes, 5 in via draft, 4 in via trade/FA, 2 in via rookie, any deficit via DFA or SSP.
[/QUOTE]

thank you for your simple answer, sir. exactly what I was wondering.

Out:
Brown - commodity trade
Higgins -33 years old
Durdin - Gash
Wood - looks like a footballer, plays like a netballer
Macmillan - Finished
Pittard - Finished
Williams - Finished
Daw - Cooked
Vickers-Willis - Body let him down
Jacobs - Career ended 2 years ago
Ahern - Fat
Crocker - Rookie and not AFL standard
Hosie - Not AFL standard
Murphy - Not AFL standard

In:
Corr - best 22
Stephenson - best 22
Young - rated young prospect
Bosenavulagi - punt
Pick 2
Pick 11
Pick 30
Pick 39
Pick 71

14 out, 12 of whom will not play AFL again, one has 2 years left and the other is a trade for currency.
9 in, 2 best 22, 2 good prospects in areas of need, 2 1st round picks, 2 2nd round picks and a late hail Mary in a draft where quality will slip.

Space then for 2 mid year draft prospects as well.

I don't think people realise how much rubbish we had on our list. That we can cut 14 and quite feasibly state that we are better off for it is quite a poor reflection on the 2020 list and the team that built it.

In a weeks time we could very well say that the list is in far better shape than it was during the 2020 season.

thank you for your detailed answer sir.

 

[the big lebowski]

We're gonna miss out on a lot of guns in a lot of drafts.

Phillips obviously has his fans here but there must be a reason that the only time he's linked to us it's in passing and sparingly. Hell, I've seen more about Perkins to North than Phillips to North and Perkins wasn't necessarily our second pick two or three months back.

It’s because of the ridiculous emphasis recruiters place on height. I find it truly bizarre.

You have the most recent Brownlow medalist at 177cm.

Norths best midfielder by this years best and fairest is 182cm.

The would be rising star winner and no 1 draft pick is 180cm.

If Phillips was 188cm he’d be with Hollands in no 1 contention.

 

[Krakouer Bonar]

Picking the draft looks fun. In fact, its an obsession for the Herald Sun and SEN who have nothing better to talk about. What's cricket!!

Lets see if Krak-B gets close:

1: (Dogs)J Ugle-Hagan (bid matched)
2: (Adel) L McDonald
3: (NMFC) W Phillips
4: (Syd) D Granger-Barrass
5: (Haw) E Hollands
6: (GCFC) A Perkins
7: (Syd) B Campbell (bid matched)
8: (Ess) R Thilthorpe
9: (Port) L Jones (bid matched)
10: (Ess) H Chapman
11: (Ess) T Bruhn
12: (Adel) T Powell
13: (GWS) Z Reid
14: (NMFC) F Macrae

No point going further.

 

[ChoppyGun]

No to thrilly

I don't get the appeal at all outside being tall.

 

[ChoppyGun]

Picking the draft looks fun. In fact, its an obsession for the Herald Sun and SEN who have nothing better to talk about. What's cricket!!

Lets see if Krak-B gets close:

1: (Dogs)J Ugle-Hagan (bid matched)
2: (Adel) L McDonald
3: (NMFC) W Phillips
4: (Syd) D Granger-Barrass
5: (Haw) E Hollands
6: (GCFC) A Perkins
7: (Syd) B Campbell (bid matched)
8: (Ess) R Thilthorpe
9: (Port) L Jones (bid matched)
10: (Ess) H Chapman
11: (Ess) T Bruhn
12: (Adel) T Powell
13: (GWS) Z Reid
14: (NMFC) F Macrae

No point going further.

I actually think that's a great attempt mate.

Let's see what happens

 

[The Dingrel]

Have you seen this one?





Just to note, there were 4 other WAFL games that I couldn't source footage from where he kicked a few bags as well.

Yep, brings other players into games, looks for the best option and hits targets by hand and foot. Those were the traits that stood out to me more than just a 1 dimensional leading fwd.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

It is well known that Essendon is a club looking to move right up the order with eyes on McDonald and Hollands, making North a prime candidate to deal with. The Roos should be looking to maximise their hand at the top end given the state of their squad, so obtaining two of Essendon’s three-consecutive top-10’ers would be ideal. The Roos may have to give something back, perhaps pick 30 to make it a fair trade, but could extract some great value with a total of three first round selections.



We live to serve *’s needs...

 

[the big lebowski]

Got this from the crows board from an inaccessible paywall article comparing McDonald and Thilthorpe

 

[Swallow_Wood]

It is well known that Essendon is a club looking to move right up the order with eyes on McDonald and Hollands, making North a prime candidate to deal with. The Roos should be looking to maximise their hand at the top end given the state of their squad, so obtaining two of Essendon’s three-consecutive top-10’ers would be ideal. The Roos may have to give something back, perhaps pick 30 to make it a fair trade, but could extract some great value with a total of three first round selections.



We live to serve *’s needs...

Dear * and your media cronies.

Go suck a massive bag of dicks.

With all of the requisite love and adoration.

NMFC

 

[InFineForm]

It is well known that Essendon is a club looking to move right up the order with eyes on McDonald and Hollands, making North a prime candidate to deal with. The Roos should be looking to maximise their hand at the top end given the state of their squad, so obtaining two of Essendon’s three-consecutive top-10’ers would be ideal. The Roos may have to give something back, perhaps pick 30 to make it a fair trade, but could extract some great value with a total of three first round selections.



We live to serve *’s needs...

If that eventuated I may well go postal.

 

[The Dingrel]

You'd say no to these moments?

1.21
1.49
3.20
4.35
4.48
4.55
5.11

Thanks GR, I hadn't really seen much footage of him.....based on that I reckon the crows take him, if they take Lmac, I'd be more than happy with him......I reckon Younnie said as much on SA radio being interviewed by Blighty. Just talked about either of the two key forwards would do.

 

[Rad Roo]

All good points you make except that I don’t think anyone at North should be too concerned about a player coming straight into our midfield rotation. Hollands adds a different dimension and will end up in the middle for us (if drafted). He and LDU will be absolutely devastating together so it’s not really our half forwards he’ll be contending with when it matters and we do have a need for class midfielders. Great kick either side, good goal sense and potential to fill out into a genuine big bodied midfielder is way too much to pass up. Phillips strikes me as the sort of player North would usually pick up, he’s similar to Simpkin in the role that he’d play and will be great but not necessarily a match winner in the way that Hollands could be. All speculation of course, but I’d base our first pick on a player that can change our club. LDU is one but will need help. Good luck tagging North’s midfield out of a game once both LDU and Hollands are up and running. Simpkin, Cunners for a while and Jed to clear the way. It’ll be special.

Yep, no disagreement from me in regards to this. But we need to urgenetly find ways to replace dumont and cunnington. Anderson got lots of aggression and ziebell can be a permanent medium forward who can also be a battering ram to hurt defenders. Ziebell could play out his career as a undersized chf. IF we are lucky, Garner might become injury free for a few seasons and become career best. This frees up thomas into the midfield and we also train stephenson to become an onballer, our midfield will suddenly become much more dynamic.