McLeod doesn't feel like past players are welcome at the Crows

[Geoffa32]

Apart from Chapman, interesting. Speaking of the Board, what about Ellis, Fennell 2017, Ryder 2019, Randell, Olsen 2020, the others are on the Board are Hazel 2010, Fellows 2015, Ricciuto2014 who until 2019 was member-elect and Member-elect Jameson 2015
As for senior management, Burton was also in that bracket of senior management or is Fagan the only person in a senior management role.

It's like my old man's hammer, which was his grandad's.

Head and handle changed many times.

But it is still that hammer.

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[jackster83]

It's like my old man's hammer, which was his grandad's.

Head and and changed many times.

But it is still that hammer.

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Roo, Hazel, Jammo and Fagan remain. Chapman's boys' club is intact.

 

[Mutineer]

It's like my old man's hammer, which was his grandad's.

Head and and changed many times.

But it is still that hammer.

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Strange hammer that one....
I've had wooden handled hammer for over 40 years, never changed the head but have replaced the handle several times...

 

[Geoffa32]

Roo, Hazel, Jammo and Fagan remain. Chapman's boys' club is intact.

I look at that group and since Tippett we rose and made a GF.

Then the massive error in judgement took effect.

They had too much belief in Burton.

He stuffed up with hamstring management and the camp.

It cost us seasons 2018/19, and redemption.


That problem is gone now.


Our Football department is now well staffed by qualified people. Also Fagan has us in a position, during COVID, to build a new training facility.


Going forward I think we are back on track.



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[1970crow]

It's like my old man's hammer, which was his grandad's.

Head and handle changed many times.

But it is still that hammer.

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he’s basically just confirmed no change apart from Chapman. Ryder is a nothing. He’d wield zero influence among the appointed members. He’s there under board sufference.

 

[1970crow]

Roo, Hazel, Jammo and Fagan remain. Chapman's boys' club is intact.

I’m quietly confident that Hazel is the key driver of our horrific board culture. w***er extraordinare.

 

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he’s basically just confirmed no change apart from Chapman. Ryder is a nothing. He’s wield zero influence among the appointed members. He’s there under board sufference.

No I did not, I do not put Fellows in the Chapman Camp, and I do not believe Jameson is in that camp, that leaves Hazel and maybe the Roo.
But one thing I do Know is Olsen is his own man, and Randell is not someone to stay quiet,

 

[1970crow]

I look at that group and since Tippett we rose and made a GF.

Then the massive error in judgement took effect.

They had too much belief in Burton.

He stuffed up with hamstring management and the camp.

It cost us seasons 2018/19, and redemption.


That problem is gone now.


Our Football department is now well staffed by qualified people. Also Fagan has us in a position, during COVID, to build a new training facility.


Going forward I think we are back on track.



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Fagan is a snake oil salesman, he must go.

 

[1970crow]

No I did not, I do not put Fellows in the Chapman Camp, and I do not believe Jameson is in that camp, that leaves Hazel and maybe the Roo.
But one thing I do Know is Olsen is his own man, and Randell is not someone to stay quiet,

but they’ve been there for a while.

 

[Geoffa32]

he’s basically just confirmed no change apart from Chapman. Ryder is a nothing. He’s wield zero influence among the appointed members. He’s there under board sufference.

I agree Ryder is a Patsy.

Joke of a "members" Board Representative.

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[Geoffa32]

Fagan is a snake oil salesman, he must go.

Is he really though?

To me a snake oil merchant is a good salesman, selling bad product, but everyone buys it.

KT is that.



Fagan is no snake oil merchant. Terrible at selling a message. Our club as a whole is.


But Port are great at selling the snake oil to their supporters. Of course Matthew Richardson

Matthew Richardson

Age

50

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195cm

Wt

104kg

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M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.0

4star

K

10.9

4star

HB

3.1

3star

M

8.0

5star

T

0.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

15.0

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

7.8

5star

T

0.8

3star

was being groomed to take over from KT. A new CEO may want to change things. But the Tealsters lap it up as a great move.

One key difference between us and Port, in terms of the main CEO function (fundraising) is capital expansion.


They have a $4m Federal Capital Grant to fund renovations at Alberton. They can't fund the rest (or get funding), so have sat on it for at least three years.

We are in a position where we can get funding for a $60m move from West Lakes.

2019 Zero debt compared to $7m
Able to get a commercial LOC to trade through COVID, not AFL assistance.
And of course more Finals wins (and a Grand Final appearance) in the last ten years.

Fagan as a CEO has outperformed KT in ever facet, bar selling snake oil.


Selling snake oil (controlling the message/PR) is one thing Port are far better at. And we are monumentally bad at.


I am not saying Fagan is the best CEO in the AFL (far from it), but if he was decent at selling snake oil we would think he was. As most Tealsters think KT has been.






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[jackster83]

Fagan as a CEO has outperformed KT in ever facet, bar selling snake oil.

How?

The AFLW team, I'll give him. That's been the best thing our club has done this side of 1998.

Everything else though - the wooden spoon, the worst training facilities in the league, the shitful SANFL deal, being ripped off by the SMA, the sham review, the hamstrung football department, the Gibbs trade, the wasted first round picks and the club allowing itself to become the media's punching bag, the list goes on.

 

[1970crow]

Is he really though?

To me a snake oil merchant is a good salesman, selling bad product, but everyone buys it.

KT is that.



Fagan is no snake oil merchant. Terrible at selling a message. Our club as a whole is.


But Port are great at selling the snake oil to their supporters. Of course Matthew Richardson

Matthew Richardson

Age

50

Ht

195cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.0

4star

K

10.9

4star

HB

3.1

3star

M

8.0

5star

T

0.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

15.0

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

7.8

5star

T

0.8

3star

was being groomed to take over from KT. A new CEO may want to change things. But the Tealsters lap it up as a great move.

One key difference between us and Port, in terms of the main CEO function (fundraising) is capital expansion.


They have a $4m Federal Capital Grant to fund renovations at Alberton. They can't fund the rest (or get funding), so have sat on it for at least three years.

We are in a position where we can get funding for a $60m move from West Lakes.

2019 Zero debt compared to $7m
Able to get a commercial LOC to trade through COVID, not AFL assistance.
And of course more Finals wins (and a Grand Final appearance) in the last ten years.

Fagan as a CEO has outperformed KT in ever facet, bar selling snake oil.


Selling snake oil (controlling the message/PR) is one thing Port are far better at. And we are monumentally bad at.


I am not saying Fagan is the best CEO in the AFL (far from it), but if he was decent at selling snake oil we would think he was. As most Tealsters think KT has been.






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Nah, he hasn't. We're in the top few for season ticket holders but still can't end a year with more cas than current liabilities. His side interests are draining cash. We're not a financially successful club. People believe we are, but we're not. Once you realise that, what is it that he brings? He's a fraud, pure and simple.

 

[1970crow]

No I did not, I do not put Fellows in the Chapman Camp, and I do not believe Jameson is in that camp, that leaves Hazel and maybe the Roo.
But one thing I do Know is Olsen is his own man, and Randell is not someone to stay quiet,

Jameson has been there since Trigg. Not sure how you can include him as part of a change.

 

[1970crow]

How?

The AFLW team, I'll give him. That's been the best thing our club has done this side of 1998.

Everything else though - the wooden spoon, the worst training facilities in the league, the shitful SANFL deal, being ripped off by the SMA, the sham review, the hamstrung football department, the Gibbs trade, the wasted first round picks and the club allowing itself to become the media's punching bag, the list goes on.

And we're not even a beacon of financial strength. He's a fraud. Need to see the back of him ASAP.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Oh to live in the world where we're actually amazing at everything other than telling people how amazing we are. If we'd just show them, they'd see all of our accomplishments.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I mean, it's genuinely wild that we can have had the last three years we have, and Port their recent growth and on field strength, and still have people sitting here and claiming their superiority is all cosmetic.

 

[1970crow]

I mean, it's genuinely wild that we can have had the last three years we have, and Port their recent growth and on field strength, and still have people sitting here and claiming their superiority is all cosmetic.

We have a fair head start with regards to market which flows to season tickets and sponsorships. If our crew were running Port the AFL would have administrators running the show. Like that racist joke against New Zealanders. Q. How do you get a New Zealander to run a successful small business? A. Give them a successful big business and wait. That's us, we should be doing a lot better than our mates diwn the road, but reality is that we're not.

 

[Thetrader15]

He's still a legend of the club.

He should have a statue at Adelaide Oval, as one of the greatest indigenous players to have ever played.

But let's be realistic.

This is a falling out over money and respect. Not the respect offered to him as a club champion, but the respect of his post football foundation and the resources that should be provided for it.

I just don't see anything else that motivates this.

This is definitely about money from what I'm hearing.

 

[Thetrader15]

How?

The AFLW team, I'll give him. That's been the best thing our club has done this side of 1998.

Everything else though - the wooden spoon, the worst training facilities in the league, the shitful SANFL deal, being ripped off by the SMA, the sham review, the hamstrung football department, the Gibbs trade, the wasted first round picks and the club allowing itself to become the media's punching bag, the list goes on.

Worst training facilities in the league?

You haven't been to the Gold Coast obviously.

China ring any bells?

Gibbs trade isn't CEO, but if it is, it's well off set by the Giants trade, the Feeo trade.

Off field is doing very well fiscally considering.

Wasted 1st rd picks? Seriously! Take a look at other clubs. Motlop, Watts, Rockliff deals, Kern extension after extesion.

Pear have won 2 finals in about 6 years, we at least have made a gf.

 

[Geoffa32]

How?

The AFLW team, I'll give him. That's been the best thing our club has done this side of 1998.

Everything else though - the wooden spoon, the worst training facilities in the league, the shitful SANFL deal, being ripped off by the SMA, the sham review, the hamstrung football department, the Gibbs trade, the wasted first round picks and the club allowing itself to become the media's punching bag, the list goes on.

Worst training facilities in the league? Ports are worse.

Yeah they have a clubroom, but if it wasn't for the pokies revenue, they hold 80 pokies at 2 venues, they would scrap it.

Wooden spoon, yep a bad year. But in the reign of Fagan far better onfield than them.

Media/image.... as I said in my answer to 1970 they are better at selling snake oil than us.


I am not saying Fagan is great, just they are better than us at selling a bad situation. Both clubs have been left behind the likes of Hawthorn, Richmond, WCE and watch Brisbane rise. Even St Kilda.

The last few posts after mine prove this. Far more Crows supporters here question how bad our club is at the moment. As we should

Port have one good year out of five and the chest beating comes out. Even going five years without a Finals win they loved KT. China has cost them plenty, but yet an MG Sponsorship makes it a "success". Snake oil sold.


You guys are kind of proving my point. As will the Tealsters frothing at the suggestion their man is no good. As I said, CEO primary role is to raise funds and run the business. Fagan has done better, albeit too much trust in Roo/Burton. Which cost us 18/19.

But overall we have a better foundation....reminds me of 2014.

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[Geoffa32]

I am not proclaiming us an AFL Powerhouse.

We are far from that.


Just better than one of the worst clubs in the league.

And they really are that bad, just better than most clubs at selling snake oil.

Their PR department will ride this year's Prelim loss for five years. As they did in 2014. Lucky Hawkins choked the week before.


Yet when Port humiliated Richmond in 2014 Richmond sorted their club out and built a destiny. That is a great club and true leadership.

Port made dim sims.

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Jameson has been there since Trigg. Not sure how you can include him as part of a change.

Because we Vote him in, and anytime I ask questions he answers quickly and so far Honestly.

 

[madstar]

I know an AFLW player and she said while it was great having Macca "coach" ie be around (childhood dream for her to kick a footy with him) he wasn't a good coach at all. Terrible at actually teaching the game or any form of actually coaching. But great to be around him a genuine nice guy.

She told us this last year. So him being axed and a guy with AFL experience coaching (Thommo) is a step up for the AFLW team.

It is a shame Macca has "cut ties" with the club though. Given he did speak out, I wonder if he ever addressed his concerns over the club with Fagan and the board directly in private. You work for any organisation, and publicly question the leadership, your job is in jeopardy.

I see past players every week near where we stand. Watching from afar there is a bond in that group. Have never seen Macca or Edwards there.




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Have a son who was involved at Norwood a few years ago, when Macca was coaching there, and he said the same. I was really disappointed because I presumed he would be amazing because he was more than that as a player. Doesn’t always translate. He did say he was a great bloke to be around but just not as a coach. This is, however, seperate to the indigenous academy which I believe to be the result of COVID and finances.


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[xazos79]

So is there anything new here apart from the obvious click bait article headline? We already knew Bungie's coaching and program was done.