Traded Adam Cerra traded to Carlton for pick #6 and F3

[Muddiemoose]

I think the bigger window for abuse would be giving fixed contracts to best 22, and trigger ones to depth players. If you get injuries, its "oh noes, we broke the salary cap. Who could have seen that coming?". But of course everyone knows you'll get injuries. And bonuses for winning. "Oh noes, we won more than we expected!".

Would be a pretty good tactic for trying to retain young players on the cusp who might be getting offers from elsewhere

Inflate your match payments to them as a carrot to getting them into the side and putting the hard work in

 

[tiger_tough]

Might’ve already been said on here but I’ve been giving some pretty good info that Tigers are into Cerra massively and the fact he was a mad tiger supporter growing up has Cerra waiting for what the tigers can offer freo and is preferring to come to Richmond.

Good source?

 

[Jugada]

Surely who a bloke supported as a kid has two fifths of **** all to do with where he ends up. Would be at the bottom of the list when it comes to making this sort of decision

 

[Muddiemoose]

Surely who a bloke supported as a kid has two fifths of fu** all to do with where he ends up. Would be at the bottom of the list when it comes to making this sort of decision

It’s like working at coles but saying you would prefer a job a woolies because you shopped there as a kid

 

[tiger_tough]

I prefer to shop at Coles cos I worked there as a kid

 

[Freomaniac]

If I was him I'd be signing for 2 years at Freo. They should play finals next year (if not this year...) and their list is almost ready for a flag tilt I reckon.

Most docker fans would be happy with that.

Other dockers fans would lke it more if he stays at freo for 4 more years until 2025, which means he serves 8 years and becomes a free agent.

 

[CarltonBlooz]

Most docker fans would be happy with that.

Other dockers fans would lke it more if he stays at freo for 4 more years until 2025, which means he serves 8 years and becomes a free agent.

Personally I think he'll sign 2-3 and see how you go after that, the will he won't he dance is the usual manager shenanigans to wait until last minute to try and maximize $$$$$$.

I would be surprised if he completely jumped ship but you never know.

 

[Freomaniac]

only freo fans think he is worth 2 first round picks including pick 7. and even then not all freo fans do.

As much as I think he is worth 2 1st round picks.... you need to say which 1st rounders you are talking about....

Peter Bell wanted a couple of 1st rounders for a contracted Brad Hill, who wanted to go to the saints on a 5 or 6 year deal at $900,000 a year. Peter Bell demanded one of those picks to be the saints pick 6, But the Saints traded pick 6 to gws for picks 12 and 18.

Looking at the Brad Hill trade. It was Brad Hill and a future 3rd rounder for Blake Acres, Pick 10, pick 58, a future 2nd and future 4th.


As it stands, Richmond has picks 7, 16, 26 , 29, 42 and 44. Not to mention future picks.

Lets rule this out, Richmond wont traded their 1st rounder for Adam Cerra.


Cerra is out of contract. I think Picks 16 and 29 with freo tossing a future 3rd back to richmond might be enough.

Had cerra been still under contract, Peter bell might of demanded pick 16, 42 or 44 and a future 2nd.


Again, I am being realistic and fair on this.

 

[Polo342]

As much as I think he is worth 2 1st round picks.... you need to say which 1st rounders you are talking about....

Peter Bell wanted a couple of 1st rounders for a contracted Brad Hill, who wanted to go to the saints on a 5 or 6 year deal at $900,000 a year. Peter Bell demanded one of those picks to be the saints pick 6, But the Saints traded pick 6 to gws for picks 12 and 18.

Looking at the Brad Hill trade. It was Brad Hill and a future 3rd rounder for Blake Acres, Pick 10, pick 58, a future 2nd and future 4th.


As it stands, Richmond has picks 7, 16, 26 , 29, 42 and 44. Not to mention future picks.

Lets rule this out, Richmond wont traded their 1st rounder for Adam Cerra.


Cerra is out of contract. I think Picks 16 and 29 with freo tossing a future 3rd back to richmond might be enough.

Had cerra been still under contract, Peter bell might of demanded pick 16, 42 or 44 and a future 2nd.


Again, I am being realistic and fair on this.

So Cerra is worth less than Brad Hill?

 

[Dockeroo]

As much as I think he is worth 2 1st round picks.... you need to say which 1st rounders you are talking about....

Peter Bell wanted a couple of 1st rounders for a contracted Brad Hill, who wanted to go to the saints on a 5 or 6 year deal at $900,000 a year. Peter Bell demanded one of those picks to be the saints pick 6, But the Saints traded pick 6 to gws for picks 12 and 18.

Looking at the Brad Hill trade. It was Brad Hill and a future 3rd rounder for Blake Acres, Pick 10, pick 58, a future 2nd and future 4th.


As it stands, Richmond has picks 7, 16, 26 , 29, 42 and 44. Not to mention future picks.

Lets rule this out, Richmond wont traded their 1st rounder for Adam Cerra.


Cerra is out of contract. I think Picks 16 and 29 with freo tossing a future 3rd back to richmond might be enough.

Had cerra been still under contract, Peter bell might of demanded pick 16, 42 or 44 and a future 2nd.


Again, I am being realistic and fair on this.

Should freo give them Serong as steak knives too, just incase Richmond aren’t completely happy?

 

[rgauci]

As much as I think he is worth 2 1st round picks.... you need to say which 1st rounders you are talking about....

Peter Bell wanted a couple of 1st rounders for a contracted Brad Hill, who wanted to go to the saints on a 5 or 6 year deal at $900,000 a year. Peter Bell demanded one of those picks to be the saints pick 6, But the Saints traded pick 6 to gws for picks 12 and 18.

Looking at the Brad Hill trade. It was Brad Hill and a future 3rd rounder for Blake Acres, Pick 10, pick 58, a future 2nd and future 4th.


As it stands, Richmond has picks 7, 16, 26 , 29, 42 and 44. Not to mention future picks.

Lets rule this out, Richmond wont traded their 1st rounder for Adam Cerra.


Cerra is out of contract. I think Picks 16 and 29 with freo tossing a future 3rd back to richmond might be enough.

Had cerra been still under contract, Peter bell might of demanded pick 16, 42 or 44 and a future 2nd.


Again, I am being realistic and fair on this.

In some bizarro world where we have a choice between our first pick this year and next, or keep Cerra. I’d prefer to keep to Cerra.

Your suggestion of 16, 29 and we give you a future 3rd is ludicrous. Keep your picks and we’ll take Shai Bolton.

Again, given the choice between keeping Cerra or getting Bolton. I’m still keeping Cerra.

I feel like Cerra is a Mundy clone. Durable, elite kick and hasn’t yet fully explored his potential. Mundy is like a fine wine, and Cerra appears to be tracking upward each year.

 

[tiger_tough]

In some bizarro world where we have a choice between our first pick this year and next, or keep Cerra. I’d prefer to keep to Cerra.

Your suggestion of 16, 29 and we give you a future 3rd is ludicrous. Keep your picks and we’ll take Shai Bolton.

Again, given the choice between keeping Cerra or getting Bolton. I’m still keeping Cerra.

I feel like Cerra is a Mundy clone. Durable, elite kick and hasn’t yet fully explored his potential. Mundy is like a fine wine, and Cerra appears to be tracking upward each year.

You realize he's a freo supporter yeah?

 

[Muddiemoose]

So Cerra is worth less than Brad Hill?

Yes, a contracted player in his prime years coming off a career best season in his prime as a 26 year old is worth more than a 21 year old who is out of contract

You are letting his form since joining St Kilda warp his value after the fact when it wasn’t a factor after the time

 

[Morro]

Alot of complicated options being bandied about in here.

If we end up with a top 10 1st rounder as expected, then that will get the deal done. Simples.

 

[Lach72]

Heh...even while he was peak footy-ing at Freo, Hill isn't as good as Cerra...

His kicking is over rated...and Cerra has 10 years of footy in him

Wish he'd hurry up and sign tbh...he's part of the 4 amigos that will be the center of our premiership push

 

[Polo342]

Yes, a contracted player in his prime years coming off a career best season in his prime as a 26 year old is worth more than a 21 year old who is out of contract

You are letting his form since joining St Kilda warp his value after the fact when it wasn’t a factor after the time

We are talking about a Pick 5 who has shown that he will be elite!! Pick 16 and 29? Atleast buy us dinner before you **** us

 

[Muddiemoose]

We are talking about a Pick 5 who has shown that he will be elite!! Pick 16 and 29? Atleast buy us dinner before you **** us

He was drafted three years ago, the pick used to draft a player means absolutely **** all once they walk into a club and has absolutely no relevance in basing a players current value

Bolton was taken in the same draft as a round 2 pick
Does that mean he is only worth a round 2 pick now?

 

[Polo342]

He was drafted three years ago, the pick used to draft a player means absolutely fu** all once they walk into a club and has absolutely no relevance in basing a players current value

Bolton was taken in the same draft as a round 2 pick
Does that mean he is only worth a round 2 pick now?

Would you say Cerra has shown more than the value of 16 and 29? Put it this way, would you take that for Bolton?

 

[Muddiemoose]

Would you say Cerra has shown more than the value of 16 and 29? Put it this way, would you take that for Bolton?

It’s not out of the realm of possibility, Cerra is a talent but his still behind others as Fremantles best young mid Brayshaw straight off the top of my head is a better player

A lot of Cerras perceived value is still based on potential and with potential still comes risk that he will never live up to it

He’s also still young, and apparently wants to come home to Melbourne, yes it would be shit from a Freo fan perspective but those are the facts

From a tigers fan perspective I base Cerra’s value in the same area as what we ended giving up for Prestia (first round and 2nd with Prestia and a 2nd back) who had probably even shown more than what Cerra had at similar stages of their careers

 

[Polo342]

It’s not out of the realm of possibility, Cerra is a talent but his still behind others as Fremantles best young mid Brayshaw straight off the top of my head is a better player

A lot of Cerras perceived value is still based on potential and with potential still comes risk that he will never live up to it

He’s also still young, and apparently wants to come home to Melbourne, yes it would be sh*t from a Freo fan perspective but those are the facts

From a tigers fan perspective I base Cerra’s value in the same area as what we ended giving up for Prestia (first round and 2nd with Prestia and a 2nd back) who had probably even shown more than what Cerra had at similar stages of their careers

I still actually hope and think that Cerra will stay. I mean last year Adam Saad went for pick 8. Think we can both agree Cerra is worth more than that. I just think that going off recent trades that his value is definetly greater than a low first and a mid second.

the trade i would like is the 2 firsts and we give something back. This draft is seen as a very weak draft and after talking to some people on the draft board they believe Cerra would be Top 3.

 

[Freomaniac]

So Cerra is worth less than Brad Hill?

2 totally different players and 2 totally different scenarios.

Brad Hill is an outside mid was contracted for 2 more years. Saints struggled to reach the minimum 95% pf the cap and were desperate to improve their squad. Brad Hill was offered $900,000 a year for 5 or 6 years.

Adam Cerra is an inside mid and is out of contract. Richmond wont have issues reaching 95% or even 100% of the cap. Richmond need a young mid or 2 to work with the older blokes in Cotchin and Martin.

Cerra might be offered $600-$700,000 a year.

Should freo give them Serong as steak knives too, just incase Richmond aren’t completely happy?

Need a fair deal for both sides. Cerra is out of contract and I fear he will go unders if he wants to leave.

In some bizarro world where we have a choice between our first pick this year and next, or keep Cerra. I’d prefer to keep to Cerra.

Your suggestion of 16, 29 and we give you a future 3rd is ludicrous. Keep your picks and we’ll take Shai Bolton.

Again, given the choice between keeping Cerra or getting Bolton. I’m still keeping Cerra.

I feel like Cerra is a Mundy clone. Durable, elite kick and hasn’t yet fully explored his potential. Mundy is like a fine wine, and Cerra appears to be tracking upward each year.

that is your opinion. Saying that, I want to keep Cerra for 4 years. that means he becomes a free agent.

You realize he's a freo supporter yeah?

Of course I am. But I am being balanced and neutral and realistic.

Yes, a contracted player in his prime years coming off a career best season in his prime as a 26 year old is worth more than a 21 year old who is out of contract

You are letting his form since joining St Kilda warp his value after the fact when it wasn’t a factor after the time

good point....

But the Key factor is Adam Cerra is out of contract. Again, cerra could go for unders.

 

[Polo342]

2 totally different players and 2 totally different scenarios.

Brad Hill is an outside mid was contracted for 2 more years. Saints struggled to reach the minimum 95% pf the cap and were desperate to improve their squad. Brad Hill was offered $900,000 a year for 5 or 6 years.

Adam Cerra is an inside mid and is out of contract. Richmond wont have issues reaching 95% or even 100% of the cap. Richmond need a young mid or 2 to work with the older blokes in Cotchin and Martin.

Cerra might be offered $600-$700,000 a year.


Need a fair deal for both sides. Cerra is out of contract and I fear he will go unders if he wants to leave.
that is your opinion. Saying that, I want to keep Cerra for 4 years. that means he becomes a free agent.
Of course I am. But I am being balanced and neutral and realistic.


good point....

But the Key factor is Adam Cerra is out of contract. Again, cerra could go for unders.

Why let him go for unders? Does he wanna play for his chosen club? If so they can pay up or go play for North, saints, Essendon or Hawks haha!

 

[Polo342]

Id be interested to know Shai Boltons worth from a Richmonds perspective because it seems we should expect massive unders.

if Cerra ends up staying would you accept Fremantles first (could be a 10-18 pick of finals were made) and second for Shai Bolton

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Shai Bolton

Age

27

Ht

176cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.8

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

2 totally different players and 2 totally different scenarios.

Brad Hill is an outside mid was contracted for 2 more years. Saints struggled to reach the minimum 95% pf the cap and were desperate to improve their squad. Brad Hill was offered $900,000 a year for 5 or 6 years.

Adam Cerra is an inside mid and is out of contract. Richmond wont have issues reaching 95% or even 100% of the cap. Richmond need a young mid or 2 to work with the older blokes in Cotchin and Martin.

Cerra might be offered $600-$700,000 a year.


Need a fair deal for both sides. Cerra is out of contract and I fear he will go unders if he wants to leave.
that is your opinion. Saying that, I want to keep Cerra for 4 years. that means he becomes a free agent.
Of course I am. But I am being balanced and neutral and realistic.


good point....

But the Key factor is Adam Cerra is out of contract. Again, cerra could go for unders.

I reckon if I went through your history of Freo posts Mr Maniac, you always go too far in the other direction when you try to be 'balanced, neutral and realistic' with trade suggestions.

If he goes to Richmond, we will absolutely get their better first round pick. The steak knives on top of that will depend on where they finish.

You're dramatically over playing the out of contract part, it has some impact but not enough where the team gets shafted. Hell, Dodoro managed to con the Blues out of pick 8 for Saad and he was uncontracted. If you went back and had a look at quality players that are traded when out of contract, you'll see they all get traded for fairish value

 

[Freomaniac]

Why let him go for unders? Does he wanna play for his chosen club? If so they can pay up or go play for North, saints, Essendon or Hawks haha!

If Certain players want to go to certain clubs and are out of contract, they generally go unders.

A couple of Freo Examples....

Josh Carr at the end of 2008. He went back to Port Adelaide for nothing.

Chris Tarrant at the end of 2010 he went back for a 3rd rounder.