Bluemour Season Blast Off Edition XXXIII

[CaptainCharisma]

2016-2020 weren’t anything amazing but I’d say SOS did well to select TDK, live trade and selection of Stocker, live trade and drafting of Kemp, rookied Honey as well as taking Walsh when some experts were calling for Lukosius or Rankine.

He also didn't blink on Martin and walked him to the PSD.
I think his wins far outweigh his losses.

He may also be vindicated further if some of his other draft picks improve under a different coaching panel.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Critter - as opposed to lurking and disagreeing with posts, I invite you to share your thoughts. We are reasonable people and am interested in an outsiders, likely unbiased opinion.

Keep in mind, Cripps’ best is an AFLPA winner. Walsh just had 30 votes in the last Brownlow medal count and Cerra is a highly desired youngster, pitched to by the 2021 premiers

You won’t get banned, we welcome outside posters!

 

[GordonBlue]

Diasgree with the Hewett comment that he wants to play an attacking midfielder. I don't think he's the kind of player that wants to play the game on his terms. He's a team first player and will do what is adjudged best for the team.

I think Hewett would have been low paid due to their cap issues, and they could not reward him his due.

So Carlton would have come knocking saying we can offer you what you deserve. He would have seen that the list is a tempting one and felt stars aligned.

What we offered him is exactly what he deserved. Good, clean, hard, consistent players are rare. He will do what coaches will ask of him and do it well more often than not.

It's players like Hewett that makes it easier for a coach to instill a gameplan.

Fantastic pick-up. Very astute. You can obviously try to attract the best players, thats easy, as all recruiters would want them. However, it is recruiting role players and missing pieces that expresses the skill set of a recruiter.

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[SkyhorseTamer]

He isn't perfect

2015 spectacular

2016-2020, not ******* up Walsh has been his only success

When did it become a list managers job to develop a player, run the team training sessions and implement tactics that are conducive for the drafted players success?
Kinda confused on that one.


Biggest knock on SOS imo is his rookie and late pick drafting. Players like Finbar and that blonde Gcs guy I've already forgotten the name of.

 

[Kaladin Stormblessed]

It's just an all round weird exchange.

Cleary trying to make it sound like Sydney got a sweet return on a spud player, Kane taking it a step further and trying to make it seem like we gave a ridiculous contract to a spud player.

Sydney were never delisting Hewett, they simply elected not to offer him a contract to force him to exercise his free agency rights, and only then because they knew they couldn't afford to pay him what he's worth.

Them getting a pick in the late 30s back is hardly a "great bonus". It's probably less than they'd have got if they'd traded him as a non-free agent.

Yep. Just like we “never wanted to keep” the likes of Yarran, Tuohy and Henderson and pushed them towards trades / no new contracts.

Doesn’t mean whatever picks we got were a “bonus” and we would have accepted nothing because we didn’t want them. There is still expected to be some sort of a return.

 

[OldBlueFan]

Who said anything about being a doddering old fool? He is far from a fool.
Being 54 is irrelevant.
If SOS 's time as an club recruiter is over, it won't be due to how many candles he blows out on his birthday cake!

Exactly my point, but I'm not the one who said he's "had his day". That statement is evocative of someone who is in decline, if you don't mean to convey that, then I suggest you choose your words more carefully.

Making judgements about someone from a distance is always fraught. SOS doesn't sound like someone who's lost their intelligence or insight, so given what plebs like us have to go on, there is no reason to think that he could not continue to be a valuable contributor to an AFL club.

Anyone who thinks "trade radio SOS" is comparable to "behind closed doors SOS" is kidding themselves ...

 

[KohPhi]

Exactly my point, but I'm not the one who said he's "had his day". That statement is evocative of someone who is in decline, if you don't mean to convey that, then I suggest you choose your words more carefully.

Making judgements about someone from a distance is always fraught. SOS doesn't sound like someone who's lost their intelligence or insight, so given what plebs like us have to go on, there is no reason to think that he could not continue to be a valuable contributor to an AFL club.

Anyone who thinks "trade radio SOS" is comparable to "behind closed doors SOS" is kidding themselves ...

You tell me to 'choose my words more carefully" yet you link my opinion that SOS's time is finished as a head recruiter means that he is a 'doddering old fool'

...astounding.

Anyway, you are correct. im just one of the plebs here and generally, my involvement on this Board is not much more than a bit of humour mixed with a generous dose of piss taking.

Over 35 years involvement in cricket (playing, coaching and administration here and O/S) enables one to meet a wide variety of people. So in this instance, my opinion had been made from a distance, but one that may be a tad shorter than you think. My cricketing involvement has enabled me to make many friends/acquaintances over the journey including another club recruiter, an ex Preston Bullants/Blues official and a 100 game former Blues player (I coached his daughter). So my opinion has a basis on what those three gentlemen (2 being good friends of mine) have told me, as well as the tit bits that one hears on places like this (you yourself have the opinion that SOS is a polarising figure).

But it's just an opinion and SOS may get another Club gig st a level below what he has held previously, who knows.. But if SOS does get a gig as a Head Recruiter again, I'll wish him nothing but good tidings and happily eat my words, and Andrew Walker's hat.

 

[OldBlueFan]

You tell me to 'choose my words more carefully" yet you link my opinion that SOS's time is finished as a head recruiter means that he is a 'doddering old fool'

...astounding.

Anyway, you are correct. im just one of the plebs here and generally, my involvement on this Board is not much more than a bit of humour mixed with a generous dose of piss taking.

Over 35 years involvement in cricket (playing, coaching and administration here and O/S) enables one to meet a wide variety of people. So in this instance, my opinion had been made from a distance, but one that may be a tad shorter than you think. My cricketing involvement has enabled me to make many friends/acquaintances over the journey including another club recruiter, an ex Preston Bullants/Blues official and a 100 game former Blues player (I coached his daughter). So my opinion has a basis on what those three gentlemen (2 being good friends of mine) have told me, as well as the tit bits that one hears on places like this (you yourself have the opinion that SOS is a polarising figure).

But it's just an opinion and SOS may get another Club gig st a level below what he has held previously, who knows.. But if SOS does get a gig as a Head Recruiter again, I'll wish him nothing but good tidings and happily eat my words, and Andrew Walker's hat.

If you can give me another interpretation of the phrase "had his day" that doesn't include something to do with age, or otherwise deteriorating abilities, I'll gladly accept it.

The fact that SOS is a polarising figure says nothing about his ability to perform a role. And given his progression since finishing his playing career, I can't imagine that he'll be lured back into a club for a backwards move.

Assistant Coach x 4 clubs, List Manager @ GWS, Head of List Strategy @ Carlton. The next most logical role for him is as a Head of Football, or Football Director. Not that I'm saying that's where he'll end up. If I was him, I think I'd stick with the better money for less bullshit that the media has to offer.

 

[BlueJet]

When did it become a list managers job to develop a player, run the team training sessions and implement tactics that are conducive for the drafted players success?
Kinda confused on that one.


Biggest knock on SOS imo is his rookie and late pick drafting. Players like Finbar and that blonde Gcs guy I've already forgotten the name of.

You're right, it isn't.
It is their responsibility to interview players and develop an understanding of a players mental make-up to determine whether they have the drive to persevere through any challenges in order to get the best from themselves and become reliable contributors for our club.

With that in mind Sos had his successes & failures like anyone else.

 

[WalshYouLegend]

Hey KohPhi

I read yesterday that Walsh has put contract talks on hold. You hearing anything more?

Walsh ain't going anywhere. It's all about getting a fair day's pay for a fair day's labour. He's earned it.

 

[WalshYouLegend]

...Anyone who thinks "trade radio SOS" is comparable to "behind closed doors SOS" is kidding themselves ...

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Trade radio SOS...



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Behind closed doors SOS...

 

[Ash24]

You know when you are a BF Blues addict when...

... Your club has just signed a new CEO, new coach, had Cerra nominate, Hewett join and you're still checking a dozen times a day to see if the Bluemours No Discussion thread has been updated.

The rumours have sure dried up ever since Liddle left.

 

[BigFrizz36]

The rumours have sure dried up ever since Liddle left.

Yeah but at the death a lot of the rumours were about Liddle in a derogatory way. And a lot were wrong.

Fairly clear that at least those were not initiated by Liddle.

 

[KohPhi]

If you can give me another interpretation of the phrase "had his day" that doesn't include something to do with age, or otherwise deteriorating abilities, I'll gladly accept it

Definition of 'someone has had their day'

someone has had their day

said to mean that the period during which someone was most successful has now passed
The punters believe the 34-year-old has had his day as far as international football is concerned.

From the Oxford Dictionary.
Again.. my belief has nothing to do with SOS's age.
You're welcome.

 

[Dysfunctional]

Definition of 'someone has had their day'

someone has had their day

said to mean that the period during which someone was most successful has now passed
The punters believe the 34-year-old has had his day as far as international football is concerned.

From the Oxford Dictionary. Again.. nothing to do with age.
You're welcome.

Not to point out the obvious, but that clearly uses the person's age

 

[Aramari]

Carlton, Sydney and Hewett would’ve had discussions weeks ago, if not months ago regarding this.

Hewett likely looking for more time as an attacking midfielder.

Sydney need to shed space due to the Buddy deal. They have promising youth in similar positions as Hewett who can play his role for less than what Hewett commands in the open market.

Carlton need a hard edge in the midfield, as well as depth.

Hewett, probably a 3 year deal type player rather than someone you’d give 4. Carlton know this, but to avoid a trade and lose valuable draft capital we offer terms that hit a late 2nd round compo band (4 years over X amount)

Effectively, Sydney shed salary cap space and gain a draft pick. Carlton retain their 2nd rounder which, arguably is/should’ve been Hewett’s value and add a hard nosed midfielder with clean hands to their midfield rotation.

Suddenly, in one off season we add a B grade and an A grade mid to our on ball rotation, all for Pick 6 and some change. Our midfield in 2022 looks like:
Walsh, Cripps, Cerra, Kennedy, Dow, Hewett, Cuningham

With Martin, Williams, Fisher and probably Stocker all playing cameo roles.
Hewett can go in when Kennedy cannot, Kennedy can rest forward, Cripps can rotate more often and play anaerobically as suited to his huge frame and Cerra adds class, precision and speed to our midfield.

If Crippa returns to his best, we literally go from a bottom 6 midfield to a top 3 (behind Dees and probably the Dogs)

Big "If".

Looking at the grunt of Kennedy, Hewett and Stocker, plus the addition of Cerra's class, and the long list of "nearly" mids with upside and points of difference on our list.

In another timeline, (and all other things being equal - which I know they wouldn't be) where our coaches and management had been stable and working well, and not scrambling to keep shit from collapsing, Cripps might have been traded after his 2020 and/or 2021 rather than given a 6 year contract.

Something like picks 8 and 16 or a good player of need might have been gettable, and a chance to complete the overhaul to create a really good modern midfield. And the club might not have to build a structure to cover Cripps' weaknesses.

If Cripps returns to his best we're in good shape. If we get another year like the last 2, we're stuck with his contract and his team-distorting shortcomings.

 

[KohPhi]

Not to point out the obvious, but that clearly uses the person's age

Actually, whilst the example from the dictionary mentions his age, it doesn't say that's why his days are finished..

Anyway, moot point as I've said that SOS not getting a gig at a Club again has absolutley nothing to do with age.

 

[Earls Smother]

Jesus.

My job revolves around analytics and numbers and for some reason I struggle with the 9 times table but not other things way more complex. Suppose I should resign tomorrow? Knock SOS all you like for things you think he didn't do well, but give me a break on this bs.

1 x 9 = Patrick Cripps
2 x 9 = Sam Walsh
5 x 9 = '45
8 x 9 = '72
9 x 9 = '81
3 x 9 =27. It is 27 years since 1995 next year.
6 x 9 = 54. It is 54 years since 1968 next year.
Analyze this.

 

[Garters]

Hewett has played pretty much every game for Sydney since his debut in 2016. The only exception being last year due to injury. Point is he's clearly been best 22 for them over the last 6 years.

We've heard talk of Sydney still being under salary cap pressure...so given their situation, Hewett open to moving and the compo they get, yes they're probably OK with it. But that doesn't mean he's a player 'they never really wanted to keep'...it's more like they couldn't keep him and are just making the best of their situation.

Further to this, had a quick look at past B&F top 10's. Last 3 years he has been 2nd, 7th and 5th. He is far from fringe 22.

 

[Jorge]

The rumours have sure dried up ever since Liddle left.

Have they? What’s actually happened that we didn’t have some idea about?

 

[CJMB]

Not to point out the obvious, but that clearly uses the person's age

Unless it was any other possible reason, but he just happens to be 34.

Could have been repeated calf injuries. Blew a knee out. Got fat. Lost interest in the game. Working through some mental health issues. Decided to hang up the boots for a career opportunity. Wanted to travel. Is going to be a stay at home parent. Wants to be on that show Alone. Is changing sports. Is relocating out of the country. Actually never liked football anyway. Was never more than a fictional character referenced in a dictionary and described on an online football forum. Died.

 

[GordonBlue]

When did it become a list managers job to develop a player, run the team training sessions and implement tactics that are conducive for the drafted players success?
Kinda confused on that one.


Biggest knock on SOS imo is his rookie and late pick drafting. Players like Finbar and that blonde Gcs guy I've already forgotten the name of.

Listening to him now on TR, I have lost the faith I had in him as a recruiter.

As mentioned earlier, the top tier players and draftees are generally known and he generally maintained the course, however when he did deviate, there isn't anything that tells me it was the right choice.

I can only think of one example where it seems to have paid off and that is Stocker.

Hearing his opinions on Hewett and Cerra and comparing that to the opinion of the fans of the clubs that watch them play the most, he seems to be way off.

I think SOS has players he watches closely as junior pre draft and his opinions of these players doesn't change too much.

If he didn't rate Hewett as a junior, he's not going to start rating him now.

I don't want to see him back at the helm. I still love him though.

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[Gavstar]

Listening to him now on TR, I have lost the faith I had in him as a recruiter.

As mentioned earlier, the top tier players and draftees are generally known and he generally maintained the course, however when he did deviate, there isn't anything that tells me it was the right choice.

I can only think of one example where it seems to have paid off and that is Stocker.

Hearing his opinions on Hewett and Cerra and comparing that to the opinion of the fans of the clubs that watch them play the most, he seems to be way off.

I think SOS has players he watches closely as junior pre draft and his opinions of these players doesn't change too much.

If he didn't rate Hewett as a junior, he's not going to start rating him now.

I don't want to see him back at the helm. I still love him though.

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Maybe he sees Hewitt as a poorer version of Stocker?

 

[Ash24]

Have they? What’s actually happened that we didn’t have some idea about?

Just because mainstream media isn't talking about us, doesn't mean we're not up to something.

We're missing 3 assistant coaches and there's very little talk from the media or our ITKs about who we're into. We're 2 days out from trade period and despite us knowing about Cerra, there's stuff going on behind the scenes with both him and others which we haven't heard about.

Delistings, re-signings, other changes, it's all been very quite ever since the review was presented and the sackings followed.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

You know when you are a BF Blues addict when...

... Your club has just signed a new CEO, new coach, had Cerra nominate, Hewett join and you're still checking a dozen times a day to see if the Bluemours No Discussion thread has been updated.

I've had my DNA tested. Strange, you didn't show up as a relative.