Conspiracy Theory Mandates, Lockdowns, Covid-19, SARS-Cov-2 Thread - Get vaccinated.

[No SPIN]

CT’s looking shot with NSW lifting COVID restrictions like safety check-ins, Vaccine passports entry, density limits etc. on Dec 15.
And unvaxxed are not getting locked up in camps.

Wow, who would have thought
I guess CT’ers need a new narrative.

 

[No SPIN]

'Mostly', aye?

And what is that job of the state? Can you articulate it?



1) Source required.

2) What about injuries?

Do they not matter in your line of thinking?

when you finally come to grips with the fact that the Vaccines reduce hospitalization and deaths, you’ll understand the cost benefit is firmly on the side of Vaccination.
So get your head out of the Conspiracy Theory bucket.

 

[Slippery Pete]

when you finally come to grips with the fact that the Vaccines reduce hospitalization and deaths, you’ll understand the cost benefit is firmly on the side of Vaccination.
So get your head out of the Conspiracy Theory bucket.

What is your argument in favour of mandates, passports and segregation? Is this it?

 

[Slippery Pete]

If you didn't know Slippery Pete on the main board will use laugh emojis with kid deaths.

You are a lying fraud. What a sad life you lead.

 

[No SPIN]

What is your argument in favour of mandates, passports and segregation? Is this it?

I don’t agree with any of the above

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

Still waiting for Vax mandate crowd to explain why cases are at all time highs in countries with biggest vax rates...

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[Slippery Pete]

I don’t agree with any of the above

Thing about it is all of these discussions disappear if the mandates/passports/segregation disappear.

Then we can go back to bitching about our shithouse footy teams.

 

[Gralin]

Still waiting for Vax mandate crowd to explain why cases are at all time highs in countries with biggest vax rates...

you mean winter?

 

[Better Loosen Up]

This thread is pointless, it's just another covid cult thread.

Ok. Bye then.

If the likes of Facebook, Youtube, Twitter etc are expected to sensor harmful vaccine misinformation/ conspiracies, a public forum should be no different.

 

[Catfish Alley]

Still waiting for Vax mandate crowd to explain why cases are at all time highs in countries with biggest vax rates...

Which countries? Just had a quick look at half a dozen or so and didn't see any that currently exceed their all time high? Australia look pretty close to it lately though.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

you mean winter?

I didn't realise vaccines stopped working depending on what season it was.. lol

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

Which countries? Just had a quick look at half a dozen or so and didn't see any that currently exceed their all time high? Australia look pretty close to it lately though.

Ireland, Iceland, UK, France, Denmark are all either at or over all time high case numbers. There is nothing to suggest the vax is doing a good job stopping transmission when you look at cases. But but but but it was never about transmission.. LOL Thats why there are mandates - its not about the spread the Government is just scared a 18 year old healthy kid will end up taking a hospital bed... Yep sure

 

[Balls In]

I also don't fully support the mandates in their current form (never have to be honest). Measures are needed, but the current ones seem pretty heavy handed in a lot of places.

I would have much preferred an alternative like tweaking of the tax system (and Centrelink) whereby:

Vaccinated by 1 December: Get a 2 percent tax break in FY 21/22 (or a one off Centrelink $1000 dollar payment).

Not Vaccinated by 1 December: Get slugged with a 3 percent tax hike via a one off Medicare levy in FY 21/22; have your benefits reduced by 10 percent for the rest of the F/Y.

Coupled with social restrictions on visiting certain aged care homes, and public areas if unvaccinated.

Carrot and stick approach. Just off the top of my head, without any modelling to back up the effectiveness etc.

I think taking away someone's livelihood is probably a step too far, particularly when you consider those that believe in the anti-vaxx stuff are far more likely to be batshit crazy (and thus having a hard time holding down a job as it is) so the mentally unwell will already be getting stung hard here (and most laws disproportionally affect them as is).

From where I sit these mandates are seeking to protect the mentally unwell and vulnerable from misinformation, and I'm not sure stripping them of their jobs is the best way to protect them.

On that measure you and I aren't far apart then. Where we differ is your belief that the state (and BF) have any role "controlling" disinformation. That is not how democracy works.

What should happen is the state puts out official advice and then millions of people disseminate/argue and otherwise prosecute the position. If the official position withstands the scrutiny of millions of intelligent people then the majority will support it. If not, then usually something was wrong with the original position. Democracy.

 

[Catfish Alley]

Ireland, Iceland, UK, France, Denmark are all either at or over all time high case numbers. There is nothing to suggest the vax is doing a good job stopping transmission when you look at cases. But but but but it was never about transmission.. LOL Thats why there are mandates - its not about the spread the Government is just scared a 18 year old healthy kid will end up taking a hospital bed... Yep sure

Variants aren't helping for sure. But agree, it's pretty much a case of just living with it now. Was surprised to still hear about some of the restrictions in place when I spoke to my Dad over the weekend.

 

[Gralin]

I didn't realise vaccines stopped working depending on what season it was.. lol

Not surprised you don't understand seasonal issues

 

[Mofra]

I also don't fully support the mandates in their current form (never have to be honest). Measures are needed, but the current ones seem pretty heavy handed in a lot of places.

I would have much preferred an alternative like tweaking of the tax system (and Centrelink) whereby:

Vaccinated by 1 December: Get a 2 percent tax break in FY 21/22 (or a one off Centrelink $1000 dollar payment).

Not Vaccinated by 1 December: Get slugged with a 3 percent tax hike via a one off Medicare levy in FY 21/22; have your benefits reduced by 10 percent for the rest of the F/Y.

Coupled with social restrictions on visiting certain aged care homes, and public areas if unvaccinated.

Carrot and stick approach. Just off the top of my head, without any modelling to back up the effectiveness etc.

I think taking away someone's livelihood is probably a step too far, particularly when you consider those that believe in the anti-vaxx stuff are far more likely to be batshit crazy (and thus having a hard time holding down a job as it is) so the mentally unwell will already be getting stung hard here (and most laws disproportionally affect them as is).

From where I sit these mandates are seeking to protect the mentally unwell and vulnerable from misinformation, and I'm not sure stripping them of their jobs is the best way to protect them.

This makes sense conceptually, although some workers in higher risk settings (e.g. healthcare workers and nursing home employees) should still be required to be vaccinated.
We already do have an incentivised tax system for behaviour - huge taxes on alcohol and tobacco, 30% private healthcare rebates, GST exemptions on fresh foods, etc. In some respects it's an amendment to existing policy rather than a new one.

 

[Balls In]

Not surprised you don't understand seasonal issues

Someone should tell the medical experts advising McGowan that in mid Jan Perth it'll be about 50° in the centre of Optus. The plague has more chance floating up into the stands as I do bowling a 10 fer

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

Not surprised you don't understand seasonal issues

Cases were lower last winter in the northern hemisphere.. That was without any vaccine... Yes Yes yes But ItS the DeLtA VAriANt THAts Why!!!

 

[Chief]

They already have free medical care.

And by 'income support' you mean the dole, yeah?



So this is an economic thing for you now? Your opinions are based on the economic result?

Is that what you're now saying?

A) whatever you want to call it. There are out of pocket expenses for most serious medical treatment.
B) just because I recognise the economic benefit doesn’t mean I think that A is the right thing to do just because there is an economic benefit.

 

[Gralin]

Cases were lower last winter in the northern hemisphere.. That was without any vaccine... Yes Yes yes But ItS the DeLtA VAriANt THAts Why!!!

so you do know the answer, winter + delta is worse than winter + alpha

Also restrictions are different because the vaccine is doing its main job which is reducing the burden on the health system


So winter + delta + less restrictions than last year = more cases but less hospitalisations and deaths on a per case basis

 

[Catfish Alley]

Definitely less restrictions and way more socializing over here compared to last winter.

 

[No SPIN]

you mean winter?

and the associated increased testing

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

so you do know the answer, winter + delta is worse than winter + alpha

Also restrictions are different because the vaccine is doing its main job which is reducing the burden on the health system


So winter + delta + less restrictions than last year = more cases but less hospitalisations and deaths on a per case basis

The answer is the vax is shit at stopping transmission. All the other stuff is fluff. Bulgaria has one of the lowest rates of vax per capita in the EU yet somehow hasn't experienced a higher number of cases compared to highly vaxxed nations. I bet they have fake data right? Africa also one of the lowest rates of vaxx yet somehow not experiencing massive case numbers or deaths? Crazy right

 

[Chief]

The answer is the vax is sh*t at stopping transmission.

You’ve been given lots of information about vaccine efficacy and the stats on vaccinated/unvaccinated cases and deaths.

You’re simply wrong here.

Bulgaria has one of the lowest rates of vax per capita in the EU yet somehow hasn't experienced a higher number of cases compared to highly vaxxed nations.

Having talked to a person living in Bulgaria right now, this is simply not the case.

Please read this piece on Bulgaria:

Bulgaria faces its heaviest COVID-19 wave

www.euractiv.com

Bulgaria is facing the most serious COVID-19 wave so far as the EU’s least vaccinated country. Interim Health Minister Stoicho Katsarov warned that Bulgaria is currently using the ‘last reserves in the system’ for beds in the intensive care units.

“The number of infected is 25% higher than in any of the previous pandemic waves. The situation with the beds in the intensive care units is on the brink. We are currently using the last reserves in the system”,Katsarov said on Sunday in interviews with the Bulgarian National Radio and bTV.

Katsarov said that vaccination offers the only solution to the escape the pandemic. In Bulgaria, only 22% of the population is fully vaccinated. According to this indicator, the country ranks last in the EU.

 

[Slippery Pete]

The answer is the vax is sh*t at stopping transmission. All the other stuff is fluff. Bulgaria has one of the lowest rates of vax per capita in the EU yet somehow hasn't experienced a higher number of cases compared to highly vaxxed nations. I bet they have fake data right? Africa also one of the lowest rates of vaxx yet somehow not experiencing massive case numbers or deaths? Crazy right

It’s like a flu vax, nothing more, nothing less. It protects the person getting it, that’s that.

Never before has so much hysteria been made over one vaccine. It is not about health, it is about control, power, and forcing people to take the jab.

If it was really about spread, and case numbers, places with vaccine mandates would TEST you before entry. A vaccinated infected person can spread the virus. An unvaccinated uninfected person cannot spread a damn thing.

But no, they literally do not care if you are INFECTED or not. Only if you’ve had the mandated jab.