News Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV

[big_e]

 

[Gasometer]

Yikes... Over 3,000 cases in NSW over the past 24 hours.

1245 in Vic.

Infections back on up here with infections coming closer and closer to yours truly.

It’s only a matter of time.

Have not wavered from our short trip to Sydney and will only cancel if borders start shutting.

I suppose if I get it I can sit in bed and read and catch up on the previous 50 pages talking about Seth Rogan and that

 

[Ruckle]

Because this is the thread for it lets address your bias.

In Russia, Cuba and China Communist revolutions have materially and undeniably improved the quality of life for most people. Anyone who ignores that ignores the facts.

When has a communist revolution replaced a regime that wasn't authoritarian and murderous aand robbing the nations wealth for a bunch of elites anyway?

Every single time ... that is what inspires a communist revolution. D'uh.
Often, in established democracies where commies get elected, such as in Kerala, a state in India, they usually stay within the bounds of democratic principles and their populations benefit. And they often get re-elected. Or they get ousted by US backed coups. Such as throughout Latin America. And usually when this happens once the next time the socialists get elected they are more traumatised and less trusting and more likely to resort to violence to defend what they see as their national interest.

Even then over time they end up a better nation. Look at Vietnam.

Its a nice story you keep telling but its just a story, at odds with reality and entirely dependent on your own biases.

My bold, didn't vast famines occur under Mao entirely due to the "system" though? That killed tens of millions of people? And didn't the quality of life in China only improve once that system was rejected for a kind of state run and limited within the population capitalism?? Sure they have called themselves communists for decades but not sure they have been? Its been about "the party" but not so much about the reality of communism as that doesn't really work. They remind me more of the Nazi's, party focus, supreme leader etc, at least in their current form.

Anyway, how about that Coronavirus?

 

[the big lebowski]

Yes the millions of Uyghurs in China love the re-education camps, or was it force labour camps?, that the communist party allow them to live in.

As do apparent victims of sexual assault by communist leaders that “disappear” and then on re-appearance recant their story.

Communism for all!!!!

 

[ferball]

Yes the millions of Uyghurs in China love the re-education camps, or was it force labour camps?, that the communist party allow them to live in.

As do apparent victims of sexual assault by communist leaders that “disappear” and then on re-appearance recant their story.

Communism for all!!!!

You're right. Its a good thing that sort of stuff would never happen in Australia or the West generally.

And there's a reason it was called Maoism, it was a cult of personality.

Abit like the one people have about this company called Pfizer.

 

[the big lebowski]

You're right. Its a good thing that sort of stuff would never happen in Australia or the West generally.

Not sure if you’re being sarcastic but compare the situation between Britney Higgins and the Chinese tennis player.

The Chinese lady has been detained, threatened and brainwashed.

All discussion censored.

Higgins is nearly Australian of the year despite (imo) her story making very little sense

 

[big_e]

Not sure if you’re being sarcastic but compare the situation between Britney Higgins and the Chinese tennis player.

The Chinese lady has been detained, threatened and brainwashed.

All discussion censored.

Higgins is nearly Australian of the year despite (imo) her story making very little sense

It's before the courts so we'd best be careful. But her story makes sense to me.

 

[the big lebowski]

It's before the courts so we'd best be careful. But her story makes sense to me.

My comment was more in relation to the difference in response between a he said/she said drunken unproven rape and the CCP who kidnaped a woman who wrote an essay on her sexual assault and was kidnaped, threatened and brain washed by the govt.

 

[Themanbun]

Gee this thread is going well

 

[hilly]

she said drunken unproven rape

Have a spell old boy.

 

[the big lebowski]

Have a spell old boy.

Nah its literally an unroven rape allegation currently before the courts. She said he r*ped her, he says he didn’t.

Won’t apologise for an accurate description of the issue.

Especially when the gist of my argument is that it’s good the govt didn’t kidnap Brittany and threaten her so she was silenced.

Get real mate

 

[Ligma]

Gee this thread is going well

I thought he was being sarcastic. Rip I take my like back

yet we have a government who won’t even take her account seriously and a pm who makes a shitty sob story apology all to make himself look good.

 

[Tectonic]

Guys.

Covid.

 

[koshari]

Because this is the thread for it lets address your bias.

In Russia, Cuba and China Communist revolutions have materially and undeniably improved the quality of life for most people. Anyone who ignores that ignores the facts.

When has a communist revolution replaced a regime that wasn't authoritarian and murderous and robbing the nations wealth for a bunch of elites anyway?

Every single time ... that is what inspires a communist revolution. D'uh.
Often, in established democracies where commies get elected, such as in Kerala, a state in India, they usually stay within the bounds of democratic principles and their populations benefit. And they often get re-elected. Or they get ousted by US backed coups. Such as throughout Latin America. And usually when this happens once the next time the socialists get elected they are more traumatised and less trusting and more likely to resort to violence to defend what they see as their national interest.

Even then over time they end up a better nation. Look at Vietnam.

Its a nice story you keep telling but its just a story, at odds with reality and entirely dependent on your own biases.

Fwiw neither China or Russia have been communist countries for some time. They function more as monopolistic corporate governments. This has resulted in the abilities of the obligarts and CCP top brass and assosiated cronies getting filthy rich Cuba on the other hand at least a few years back when I was there was operating well and truly as a traditional communist government.

 

[Tas]

Because this is the thread for it lets address your bias.

Hehe, I do have a bias, because I studied economics and it has been nothing but an abject failure. I still think the future is a socialist structure, a more idealistic star trekish type socialism, but I just can't see it working whilst we have scarcity of resources and the need to perform menial labor. Star Trek's solution is replicators, which transform energy into matter. Robotics has diminished the need for menial labour, it hasn't eliminated it and we have nothing that can provide what replicators do so resources are scarce and you need a viable system which can generate goods and services and distribute those good and services. We have almost infinite demand and finite resources, how do we allocate them? We need incentivisation for development, we need freedom for ideas to flourish. Both Russia and China had found more prosperity moving towards a mixed market system, similar to the rest of the world, they just chose to retain the regressive elements of the political structure.

If there was evidence that communism worked, I would be over the moon.

In Russia, Cuba and China Communist revolutions have materially and undeniably improved the quality of life for most people. Anyone who ignores that ignores the facts.

Back when? In 1917? The world was a shithole back then. Australia was a backwater penal colony that had been a country for less than two decades and since then we have now the 13th largest GDP in the world and 12th largest per capita. We are in a banana republic, run by morons, and we are still running laps around communist nations.

I think it was an amazing unifying movement for China in particular, because it was a real shit hole, some parts still headhunted and made human sacrifices, still dealt in slavery, had a lot of warlords hold fiefdoms, it really helped to purge a lot of outdated, regressive practices. Economically speaking, it didn't really do much to improve the lives of people. Money and wealth still plays a major role in your quality of life.

Cuba lost half their doctors after their revolution, they put a lot of effort into educating new doctors, Cuba uses the surplus of doctors now to send to other countries as a diplomatic tool, doctors are eager to go because they get 6x the salary of a doctor in Cuba plus all expenses paid and that means their quality of life is significantly better than those who are relying on local system.

It always makes me cringe when people use Cuban's free health, the doctors to population density. Even if they pay a relatively high proportion of their GDP to health care, they are a poor country and poverty is a significant part of the control mechanism. Cubans have a relatively good health condition, but that is more due to poor people don't have the means to eat junk food and sit on their arses all day. The standard of care is depressing...



This isn't having a go at the people doing their best to do what they can with what they have at their disposal, my heart goes out to them and the USA is complicit in making the lives of Cuban people worse through their economic sanctions.

The vast majority of former communist nations have adopted a mixed market system and they are improving dramatically upon where they were under communism. China is the most obvious one, even though they interfere a lot in their market, it has moved away from the communist model to a more mixed market one and ti was probably buoyed by the wealth of Hong Kong and Taiwan. Korea was in a devastating war, would you want to end up in North Korea or South Korea?

When has a communist revolution replaced a regime that wasn't authoritarian and murderous aand robbing the nations wealth for a bunch of elites anyway?

Venezuela was a mixed market democracy, one of the richest countries in Latin/South America. Sure, Latin America has had a long problem with corruption and dictators but Chavez was democratically elected on a platform of reform and morphed from the Fifth Republic Movement to the United Socialist Party of Venezuela. For a country with the largest oil reserves on the planet to be destitute and have the entire middle class leave is an amazing accomplishment in such a short span of time.

Every single time ... that is what inspires a communist revolution. D'uh.
Often, in established democracies where commies get elected, such as in Kerala, a state in India, they usually stay within the bounds of democratic principles and their populations benefit. And they often get re-elected. Or they get ousted by US backed coups. Such as throughout Latin America. And usually when this happens once the next time the socialists get elected they are more traumatised and less trusting and more likely to resort to violence to defend what they see as their national interest.

Even then over time they end up a better nation. Look at Vietnam.

Its a nice story you keep telling but its just a story, at odds with reality and entirely dependent on your own biases.

lol Vietnam is a great success story, their success is attributed to a move away from communist control of industry and a move towards a mixed market approach with a sharp increase in foreign investment in the last 3-4 decades and a move away from being reliant on agriculture, having more of an emphasis on manufacturing.

When you have different wealth classes, lost ownership of the means of production and your quality of life is directly impacted by your earnings and your wealth, you are communist only in terms of having no political rights.

Think about it for a second... which "communist" nation actually adheres to any of the core principle of communism? The only ones left are complete shit holes like North Korea and the people have been mind-****ed there to believe the leader has no arseh*le.

 

[Twinkletoes]

Ok, so the ‘Rona thread has morphed into a Random Chat thread.

If nothing else it’s a fair sign almost all of us are vaxxed and growing weary of the media generated alarm thrust upon us in light of The Other Big O’s emergence.

 

[Reagan Smash]

Whatever happened to , innocent until proven guilty ?

 

[Zondor]

Whatever happened to , innocent until proven guilty ?

Ask Social Media. :stern look

 

[Ry009]

Mod politely nudges thread back on topic..... posters in very next posts ignore thread topic.

Seems legit.

 

[Hojuman]

Mod politely nudges thread back on topic..... posters in very next posts ignore thread topic.

Seems legit.

Think Twinks has staged a KIM Jong-un type cleanout and appointed himself Moderator for life. ( seen the other mods recently ? )

 

[travelli]

So they want 3rd dose of vaccination after 4 months now in NSW. Are they just loading up and hoping for the best? When's the 4th dose?

It's this fly by the seat of your pants medicine that makes people uneasy.

 

[gokangas]

So they want 3rd dose of vaccination after 4 months now in NSW. Are they just loading up and hoping for the best? When's the 4th dose?

It's this fly by the seat of your pants medicine that makes people uneasy.

Uneasy is the right word.

 

[Shinboner1]

So they want 3rd dose of vaccination after 4 months now in NSW. Are they just loading up and hoping for the best? When's the 4th dose?

It's this fly by the seat of your pants medicine that makes people uneasy.

Pretty crazy stuff. Guess they're hoping it doesn't go that bad once everyone is upto full strength.
NSW had record numbers confirmed yesterday, I'd love to see the numbers of those actually taking up health care resources though. Plenty here in VIC who have got positive but are isolating at home or have mild-no symptoms at all.

 

[DocSholl]

Nah its literally an unroven rape allegation currently before the courts. She said he r*ped her, he says he didn’t.

Won’t apologise for an accurate description of the issue.

You also added a completely unnecessary opinion about the validity of the allegation.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

So they want 3rd dose of vaccination after 4 months now in NSW. Are they just loading up and hoping for the best? When's the 4th dose?

It's this fly by the seat of your pants medicine that makes people uneasy.

I work for the NSW gov in enviro sector, and there is already talk of making the booster mandatory. Some places overseas already going for a 2nd booster.

Just approve the bloody anti viral pills and get them in circulation. It's obvious that the Vax isn't doing anything to stop the spread of omicron.

Anyways guys did another test to be sure
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