Event AMA with Admin Candidates

[The Filth Wizard]

I'm in love with the Sweet FA. And I don't know how I'm gonna feel tomorrow or the next day or the day after that, but I do know that right here, right now, all I can think about is spending the rest of my life with it. Again, that could change.

This is beautiful.

 

[Cadsky]

A reserves comp is a ridiculous idea FWIW

From a simmers perspective I agree. Puts more work on the simmer but largely the posters.

 

[Headless]

From a simmers perspective I agree. Puts more work on the simmer but largely the posters.

Do you know the type of reserves league KP is suggesting?

 

[Kennedy Parker]

PMBangers Barrybran kdavva Kennedy Parker

If the Old Boys bid is successful, how will you manage the 13 team season in S34?

Also what will you do to support the entry of a 14th team shortly thereafter?

I'd like to know each candidates views and ideas on how we will manage a bye next season should the old boys bid be approved?
PMBangers kdavva Barrybran Kennedy Parker

There is actually a way we can have a similar length fixture with 13 teams as long as each team plays an even number of games.

If every team plays 12 games over 13 weeks with one bye, that's the easy part. But after that we can get 14 game season like this (I'll try and explain it as simply as possible but lemme know if it doesn't make sense).

Round 14 (first return round), Bombers get the bye. Every other team is now on 13 games except the Bombers.
Round 15 (second return round), Warriors get rotated the bye. Every other team is now on 14 games except the Bombers and Warriors who are on 13.
Round 16 - Bombers vs Warriors, all other teams get the bye and all teams end H&A on 14 games.

You can use that logic to have 14 or 16 game seasons over 16 or 18 weeks.

Kennedy Parker
If you punch yourself and it hurts are you weak or strong?
If you set out to fail and you succeed, which have you done?
If you describe something as indescribable isn’t that a description?

If I punch myself and it hurts, it probably means I'm stronger than I am tough.
If I've set out to fail and then succeed then I've set my expectations too low.
If I describe something as indescribable then I've described the thing to the extent that it's indescribable. It is a description, but I can't give any stronger descriptions beyond that.

I can see why this application wasn’t seriously considered.

Barrybran what’s the rationale behind shortening the season to only 13 weeks? We’re still quite a short season at 16 weeks and it allows for additional rounds/heritage rounds/rivalry rounds etc to be played out.

For all 4 candidates - which themed round would you like to introduce to the SFA first, and why?

PMBangers kdavva Kennedy Parker

Royal Rumble Round.

Where each match thread has a referee and when one poster destroys another in a battle of wits, the defeated poster shall be threadbanned for the rest of the week. When a poster fails to post in the match thread for 24 hours they are also threadbanned for the rest of the week.

This will continue until there are only 6 posters left, one from each match thread and they will be entered into an elimination chamber thread where they battle it out until 1 is remaining and they are crowned with SFA World Heavyweight Championship and 1000 beez votes.

I have some questions for you Kennedy Parker


Practically speaking, would this be associated with a larger sim committee since there would be twice as many games to sim?
Not a bad thing as there isn't a shortage of people willing to put their hands up

I don't think there's ever been any shortage of people willing to sim games. The momentum of Mobbs SOFU seems to suggest it's a concept worth exploring. And also if we were to eventually move over to QootyPy there would need to be a test environment over a full length season.

My original question stands, do you have someone in mind for this role?

Ideally, it would be for somebody who has interest in the admin side of the league but for one reason or another was overlooked, possibly due to a lack of experience or qualifications.

As it stands, we view committee experience as perhaps the most important consideration when deciding who should be admin. But being a committee rep is fundamentally different from being an admin, sure you might get familiar with the procedures - voting, rules and stuff but essentially you are going from a spokesperson for your LG to someone responsible for the entire league operations.

I think in order to be someone who can make decisions that benefit the league in the long run, you need to have a pretty indepth understanding of not only committee procedures but how the rules, simming process, statskeeping and history and record collation all fit together in a system.

A GM role would be a stepping stone between committee rep and admin, has obvious benefits for risk management.
I would only keep someone in the role for one season before changing so they get an idea of what the mechanisms of the league entails and can decide if they want to pursue the admin role when the time comes. Opening up a potential wider field of admin candidates going forward.

Who do I have in mind specifically? One of the other admin candidates are likely if they want it, it won't be a left field selection. But let's cross that bridge when we get there.

This remains a main sticking point in your bid. Many people enjoy the theatre of penalties. But in the name of fairness, it makes some sense

I am not a big fan of having rules and penalties just for the sake of theatre. That's what I believe in and I'll stake that position even if it is unpopular.

I'm not quite following the killing the realism part. I thought it was a throwback to previous AFL rules when every drawn final was replied. We don't have the same physical travel requirements so an immediate resim makes sense.

Well it would be like the game ending in a draw, then having 4 quarters of extra time. If we have a replay it should posted on another day at least.

But I think a home ground advantage for the higher ranking team gives a bit more meaning the H&A games near the end of the season. 5th shouldn't be worth exactly the same as 8th and a 1% advantage isn't much but it's at least something on the line.

Not saying I disagree but what's your rationale here? Do you feel the lack of this rule has been exploited?

If we wait for it to be exploited I reckon it's probably too late. Forward-thinking and being proactive is important.

And also there are numerous occasions historically where players have signed up grand final week and played in the GF without partaking in the regular season at all.

 

[PMBangers]

KP is the next admin btw

 

[Cadsky]

Do you know the type of reserves league KP is suggesting?

Ideas were floated earlier. Essentially any team that cannot be filled would be filled with fake players. Again this puts extra work load on the simmers to come up with these names and input them into the Sim. More matches are the required to be simmed and posted. This is all extra time required for the simmers but mostly the posters and at times we struggle to post all the matches depending on rl commitments. Don't forget that simmers/posters give their time freely and Sunday afternoon doesn't always work well for the posters to give up their time. I personally work a 6/5 fortnight. I work every Saturday and every second weekend Sunday is my only day off. My point is that a reserves comp isn't practical.

 

[Cadsky]

KP is the next admin btw

Ruling yourself out already?

 

[thewizardmelon]

Royal Rumble Round.

Where each match thread has a referee and when one poster destroys another in a battle of wits, the defeated poster shall be threadbanned for the rest of the week. When a poster fails to post in the match thread for 24 hours they are also threadbanned for the rest of the week.

This will continue until there are only 6 posters left, one from each match thread and they will be entered into an elimination chamber thread where they battle it out until 1 is remaining and they are crowned with SFA World Heavyweight Championship and 1000 beez votes.

Shit. I’m In. #IstandwithKP

 

[Headless]

Ideas were floated earlier. Essentially any team that cannot be filled would be filled with fake players. Again this puts extra work load on the simmers to come up with these names and input them into the Sim. More matches are the required to be simmed and posted. This is all extra time required for the simmers but mostly the posters and at times we struggle to post all the matches depending on rl commitments. Don't forget that simmers/posters give their time freely and Sunday afternoon doesn't always work well for the posters to give up their time. I personally work a 6/5 fortnight. I work every Saturday and every second weekend Sunday is my only day off. My point is that a reserves comp isn't practical.

I acknowledge all of that but to my knowledge at no point has KP said there would be the same number of simmers/posters, the same sim posting requirements, the same thread expectations, the same system we use now.

 

[Kennedy Parker]

Thanks mate, I appreciate that and I'm glad that the work is going strong and you are back.

As for your motives, I would never ask the question. We're both former admins, we've put a lot of time in because of the love of the place. That doesn't die. I've done exactly what you're doing for the very same reasons.

As for how you spread the role, I guess I'm on the side that you don't need to be the admin to do any of those things by yourself. A sim recode seems hobbyist to me, I know it's been in the works and is ongoing anyway. The roadmap to 14 clubs, or back to 12, whatever it is, doesn't rely on an admin, I would argue it's done despite an admin. The state of the league, the roadmap at 13 teams? That has been done every time the league has expanded with a committee and an admin setting the path. We don't need a reserves league, it's again hobbyist and it seems weird bringing in an invisible admin to integrate something that nobody has asked for and really forms no more a function than a limited curiosity.

I definitely don't mean to belittle any of those things but I'm just surprised by the ticket, moreso because I think if you cut out the "substitute admin" role you'd be a glaring frontrunner, you were a famously great admin. People hated when I had RU_ as my steward, they hated when I had kdavva as my designated 2IC in the last time I ran. Maybe I'm the common denominator there.

Say, you need a pretend admin?

Well we'll see how much we need those things thanks to admin elections - another hobbyist initiative of mine I did in S27

Maybe the whole 2IC idea just needs better marketing, or maybe I'm just continuing the tradition of former admins jobbing to new upcoming admins.

 

[Cadsky]

I acknowledge all of that but to my knowledge at no point has KP said there would be the same number of simmers/posters, the same sim posting requirements, the same thread expectations, the same system we use now.

Kennedy Parker can you expand on the points made by headless please.

 

[Headless]

Kennedy Parker can you expand on the points made by headless please.

The only point I made is that I think it's unfair to assume a new initiative will come with no structural changes.

 

[Kennedy Parker]

Kennedy Parker can you expand on the points made by headless please.

Oh, it just means that we can more volunteers to handle the simming to not put strain on the main simming team.

And I'd probably run the reserves comp in QootyPy which literally anyone with a computer can sim by doing a copy paste list of names into an excel sheet and start simming within two clicks.

 

[Cadsky]

The only point I made is that I think it's unfair to assume a new initiative will come with no structural changes.

It's a valid point and one in looking forward to KP's answer

 

[PMBangers]

Ruling yourself out already?

Not to the degree others are (cough cough), but objectively KP has proven form as an admin and most of their implementations remain intact, speaks volumes to the quality of the reign

 

[Headless]

My main issue currently is how Qooty and the world of sweet have somewhat taken a backseat... I'd like to see a return to the days of persona's, rivalries and 'storylines' by making Qooty a centre piece again. Ideally, this would mean more light hearted banter rather than what we have now, which at times can come across as personal, and with that more quality media around different topics from the league and the season of qooty itself.

Not a question but I just want to highlight this from PMBangers' application.

I think Bangers is 100% spot on here. Big ups from me.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Well we'll see how much we need those things thanks to admin elections - another hobbyist initiative of mine I did in S27

Maybe the whole 2IC idea just needs better marketing, or maybe I'm just continuing the tradition of former admins jobbing to new upcoming admins.

You made it personal.

 

[PMBangers]

Not a question but I just want to highlight this from PMBangers' application.

I think Bangers is 100% spot on here. Big ups from me.

And you embody this perfectly I feel with your weekly pieces; fun, informative, interesting and unique with a qooty focus

 

[Headless]

And you embody this perfectly I feel with your weekly pieces; fun, informative, interesting and unique with a qooty focus

Headless approved!

 

[Cadsky]

Oh, it just means that we can more volunteers to handle the simming to not put strain on the main simming team.

And I'd probably run the reserves comp in QootyPy which literally anyone with a computer can sim by doing a copy paste list of names into an excel sheet and start simming within two clicks.

As a current simmer I can tell you that the simmer/poster group's preference is to remain a small unified group. We have had discussions recently regarding expanding the group and the overall preference was to keep it small. Too many fingers in the pie can make it too messy and confusing.

Before this were to go forward it might be best to have a private discussion with the whole group to make sure a plan can be agreed upon and put in place.

 

[Headless]

As a current simmer I can tell you that the simmer/poster group's preference is to remain a small unified group. We have had discussions recently regarding expanding the group and the overall preference was to keep it small. Too many fingers in the pie can make it too messy and confusing.

That's great, mate, but there's also currently no reserves competition.

 

[kdavva]

As a current simmer I can tell you that the simmer/poster group's preference is to remain a small unified group. We have had discussions recently regarding expanding the group and the overall preference was to keep it small. Too many fingers in the pie can make it too messy and confusing.

Before this were to go forward it might be best to have a private discussion with the whole group to make sure a plan can be agreed upon and put in place.

I don't think the league simming committee would have to be involved at all if they don't want to be.

 

[Cadsky]

That's great, mate, but there's also currently no reserves competition.

Correct. That's why I said before it goes forward. It's important the simming and posting group is well aware of any proposed changes before a new admin comes in and starts changing things around.

 

[Headless]

Correct. That's why I said before it goes forward. It's important the dining and posting group is well aware of any proposed changes before a new admin comes in and starts changing things around.

Perhaps you'd like to tag them in this thread so they're aware of the very hypothetical change.

 

[MWPP]

Yet if they weren't 'essays', people would be sitting here complaining about the lack of vision these prospective admins had.

I agree with the sentiment
Just pointing out that people who write essays should be happy to answer more questions
It’s what the process is about