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not really - the Pies will start faves against Freo...
We'll see if it's the right move when they play Sydney the week after.
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not really - the Pies will start faves against Freo...
We'll see if it's the right move when they play Sydney the week after.
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I'd say he is going alright if you are putting them down for a prelim already
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Did you purposefully cut off their list at Samson Ryan, thus leaving out Rioli, Gibcus, Cumberland, Ralphsmith and Sonsie who are all currently best 22?
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I'd say he is going alright if you are putting them down for a prelim already
i'd say the corollary of your position is actually more likely to be true.
We may quickly see if his post match approach was the wrong move... a loss or poor performance against Freo.
But they would start very heavy favourites this week so it is impossible to judge if publicly lambasting your players and criticising the umps is the quite the killer motivational tactic.
That is, if we can even ascribe a cause and effect.
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I would've been keen on Sexton 2 years ago but not so much now. Has had some off-field reasons for not getting games (not discipline related) so don't look at form solely as the reason.
My issue now is he's a bit of a tweener in so many areas. He's not slow but isn't fast by any means, he's no weak but isn't strong either, he's a decent kick without being a great kick, he's an alright mark without being a good mark, he's got good goal sense without great goal sense, his defensive intent is ok without being great.
So many "Yeah he's not bad at that, but..." type attributes and at 28 it's hard to see the upside. C+ to B grade in a lot of areas and I think that's why he can drift out of games a fair bit but in others will kick 4. If given enough space and time he'll make you pay but with any strict attention it's hard for him to overcome.
He's a decent 4th act in any forward line because he can bob up when matchups suit, but I think with our slow buildup he'd struggle to impact as he wouldn't get much space. Probably needs a faster more open gamestyle than what we play.
My issue now is he's a bit of a tweener in so many areas. He's not slow but isn't fast by any means, he's no weak but isn't strong either, he's a decent kick without being a great kick, he's an alright mark without being a good mark, he's got good goal sense without great goal sense, his defensive intent is ok without being great.
So many "Yeah he's not bad at that, but..." type attributes and at 28 it's hard to see the upside. C+ to B grade in a lot of areas and I think that's why he can drift out of games a fair bit but in others will kick 4. If given enough space and time he'll make you pay but with any strict attention it's hard for him to overcome.
He's a decent 4th act in any forward line because he can bob up when matchups suit, but I think with our slow buildup he'd struggle to impact as he wouldn't get much space. Probably needs a faster more open gamestyle than what we play.
Mitch Morton comes to mind based on your description on him….Could he be role player for us ?? Maybe his game elevates as a result of playing with better mids/forwards
He’s got better goal sense than Fisher, Owies and Durdin and i would say equal to Martin
Could be a shot as a DFA??
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No, it was all I could grab.
And that lot are miles off B+/A graders....in any event.
Maybe if he was younger, like I said if it was 2 yrs ago I may have been keen but at 28 I'm not sure he'll move the needle enough to be worthwhile.
Has he actually been delisted or anything or did his name come up as a hypothetical?
Maybe reactive and an obvious thing to say about the Blues, but after watching the Cats/Pies game on the weekend what stood out was the blistering pace and ball movement from both sides (particularly Collingwood).
Where do we find that - Saad gives us some of that bit otherwise we look pedestrian ? Is an Acres enough ?
Where do we find that - Saad gives us some of that bit otherwise we look pedestrian ? Is an Acres enough ?
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All definitely best 22 in a finals side though, Tigers will regenerate and continue being right in the mix, it's what good clubs do.
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amazing what happens when you are at the top of the ladder winning flags, you dont really get many A Grade young players coming through - hence why they are trading in players.....
Where as unsuccessful clubs can stack their list full of no.1 draft picks and first rounders and hang their hat on that
A fit Williams definitely helps. Probably need to add to the line breaking run/kick stocks though .
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Taranto a good pick up but their midfield needs a lot more.amazing what happens when you are at the top of the ladder winning flags, you dont really get many A Grade young players coming through - hence why they are trading in players.....
Where as unsuccessful clubs can stack their list full of no.1 draft picks and first rounders and hang their hat on that
Post Cotchin, Edwards, Dusty, Prestia 30 next year....
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You missed Daniel Rioli who was almost all Australian and kicked 11 goals from half back this year. In comparison Fisher kicked 17 playing half forward.
Also Cumberland kicked 23 goals from 8 games. If he is a C grader what does that make Jack Silvagni who kicked 17 goals from 20 games?
I think we need be realistic that some of our guys who have been around for 4-7 years just aren’t good enough hence why we keep missing finals.
In his last post match presser Voss talked about unpopular decisions that need to be made this off-season so it’ll be interesting to see what that actually means.
Dont think its too reactive.
But we certainly looked a lot "quicker" once Williams and McGovern were in the side (and a healthy/fit Martin), add in Docherty into the midfield and we looked a lot more fluid, quicker, speed of ball movement was up.
I would still like to bring in another med/forward with a bit of size and pace to add to that dynamic mix
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Not sure how you rate players, those 3 would walk in to any side in the comp, all 3 would be in our top 10 or so players.
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Might be shooting Bambi, but Silvagni puts in lots of effort, but doesn't really produce much.
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Not a huge fan of Sexton. Has a lot of weaknesses in his game.
Having said that the guy can play and he certainly knows where the goals are. Bags of 6, 5 and 3 x 4 are impressive at AFL level no matter who you are.
I don't think he's the right player for us but if he came across very cheap I'd be OK with it.
Having said that the guy can play and he certainly knows where the goals are. Bags of 6, 5 and 3 x 4 are impressive at AFL level no matter who you are.
I don't think he's the right player for us but if he came across very cheap I'd be OK with it.
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Love Voss, this drives me crazy though especially with Harry & Charlie up forward! Should be smacking it in quick.
Having said that, we almst beat Melbourne, and same with Cllingwood
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Agree. Im sure they'll be looking to bring in a bit more over the years but there is a fair bit of Hawthorn about them, trying to go for one last flag and basically inevitable that they will drop down like the hawks in the next year or two and have players who probably regret going there for success
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Jack’s only saving grace is that he had to be thrown into being a back up ruck when Pitto got injured. I don’t want to see him in the ruck next season. I’d like to see if he could kick 30-35 permanently stationed in the forward line. Next year is his 8th season and he is coming out of contract so a “Make or Break” year for him IMO.
Jack is a flaky set shot at goal as it currently stands. He would want to put in a power of goal kicking work over the off-season if he is spend any serious time as a stay at home genuine 3rd tall option. Personally I don't think he has the capability unfortunately to be a genuine 30/35 goal forward.
Unfortunately for Jack as the list progresses his value to the team is that he is a Jack of all trades (No pun intended) however a master of none. So as we iron out our gaps the options for Jack quickly start to diminish. Not sure what you do with him next year. Maybe just more of the same, yet that would indicate we are not closing gaps like we should be. A tricky one.
Unfortunately for Jack as the list progresses his value to the team is that he is a Jack of all trades (No pun intended) however a master of none. So as we iron out our gaps the options for Jack quickly start to diminish. Not sure what you do with him next year. Maybe just more of the same, yet that would indicate we are not closing gaps like we should be. A tricky one.
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