List Mgmt. List Management 2022

[Blue__Balls]

Still think we should take Braden George. Think he's the perfect partner next to Harry and Charlie.

The more I think about it, the more I lean this way.

He's certainly talented enough, and plays a position we need to address.

The ACL sucks, but we've nursed a few players through them in recent years so he'd absolutely have the right support around him to ensure he approaches it properly. He's looking at a solid 13-14 months recovery/rehab before his next preseason.

The odds of whoever we draft playing much senior footy in 2023 is slim anyway, we're drafting for impact in 2024-2032.

Take the point-of-difference player, can always trade in some solid citizen midfielders down the track if we need to.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Risky, when considering Cuners, Williams, Martin, Gov, Marchbank?

Not to mention Ed would be playing for nothing effectively and enforce training standards. Not sure Williams, Martin or Gov despite their immense talent and position in our best 18 are ever going to be setting standards on the training track.

Ed is absolutely worth one last year. He is super crafty in front of goal and won plenty of footy last year. An asset on and off the field.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Sure it's more than 1 person making the call, but the Head of Recruiting has the biggest say, that's their job.

On a RACI Matrix, definitely Accountable


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[Wickzki]

with the Collingwood , geelong talk , I always find we make excuses for our failures and dis credit or seem to think other teams got lucky.
Collingwood is a better run team then most in the comp and I would back them to not be on the bottom for 20 years like we have.
I was saying this to a mate that certain teams do it well and Collingwood is one of them, this was after I said I bet melb bottoms out or Carlton bottoms out before they do again.
They are more risk takers then us , example keeping curnow for gods know
What.

People forget that the Pies were on their knees before Eddie became president transformed them and put good football people into key positions.

The same is happening with us at long last.

Sayers gets in as president and before his first (partial) year as president is over he's gotten Brian Cook from Geelong and one of the most respected assistant coaches in recent years (Voss) in as coach and is doing his best to give them the support staff that they require.

With good football people in fortunes change.

The club is finally in capable hands. Young hands that have the vigor to endure.

 

[Wickzki]

• better understanding and natural development of the Voss game plan

Such an underrated call.

Excited - if I'm still kicking - to see what added layer(s) are added over the summer given the hopeful health of the list to be able to build onto it.

I don't believe we'll be nearly as one dimensional as what we were.

 

[carlton_99]

What do we think is happening with Marchy?

 

[BringFevBack2021]

What do we think is happening with Marchy?

Gotta resign him I’d have thought, unless there’s a left field option available. He has plenty to give as an intercepting defender.

 

[carlton_99]

Gotta resign him I’d have thought, unless there’s a left field option available. He has plenty to give as an intercepting defender.

Yeh I definitely think he should be re-signed - didn't expect it to drag on this long

 

[Wickzki]

What do we think is happening with Marchy?

No sources on this one but I'm assuming ongoing contract discussions.

Club would be keen to go one year at a time given another injury is potentially the end for him. Player and manager will be pushing longer term.

I suspect we'll re-sign him to a 1+1 contract with a games played clause guaranteeing the second year.

 

[Burgers45]

Anyone know whether Acres played wing while at Saints? His form couldn't have been too good if they let him go to Freo. His finals form has been excellent this year, don't know why freo lowballed him. What would we have to give up to make the trade? Really, I'm a bit wary this might be a bad trade.

 

[Jeremias]

I have a genuine question, interested to see peoples thoughts. It looks like Acres is the only addition to our team plus a couple of kids through the draft and who knows if they will be ready to play next season or not. But with that in mind is that a big enough improvement that will take us to the top 4 and challenging for the flag? Obviously there will be natural improvement with our players, but with all that mind is that required additions and improvements to our side that will makes that more better next season??

Yes. It wasn't for a lack of talent that we missed out on being at that level this season.

 

[Pinnell]

Anyone know whether Acres played wing while at Saints? His form couldn't have been too good if they let him go to Freo. His finals form has been excellent this year, don't know why freo lowballed him. What would we have to give up to make the trade? Really, I'm a bit wary this might be a bad trade.

He was the sacrificial lamb for attaining Bradley Hill. Wasn’t overly rapt if I remember correctly

 

[DangerousD]

Just watching AFL360, where has the Dunkley to the Lions come from? I have no idea how a top 4 team with not much draft capital can find enough points/picks to take Ashcroft @1, Fletcher @20 and then find a top pock for Dunkley.

It was mentioned Lyons was on shaky ground, I don’t think we would be interested in his type but would he be cheap? Does he have any position other than inside mid?

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Just watching AFL360, where has the Dunkley to the Lions come from? I have no idea how a top 4 team with not much draft capital can find enough points/picks to take Ashcroft @1, Fletcher @20 and then find a top pock for Dunkley.

It was mentioned Lyons was on shaky ground, I don’t think we would be interested in his type but would he be cheap? Does he have any position other than inside mid?

Don't forget Gunston.

 

[macky99]

Anyone know whether Acres played wing while at Saints? His form couldn't have been too good if they let him go to Freo. His finals form has been excellent this year, don't know why freo lowballed him. What would we have to give up to make the trade? Really, I'm a bit wary this might be a bad trade.

He is a better winger than we have, adds some speed & outside run which we lack.
He had a good season so the decision to get him seems a pretty easy one low risk for potentially a pick in the 30's.

 

[FRUMPY]

Then got smashed the following week, were they weak mentally?

Missed 2015 to 17. Were they weak mentally, then all of a sudden not?

Really is s**t analysis

99.99% of 'analysis' on here is rubbish, including yours.......and mine

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[Michael Jezz]

But the Pies have had 2 years outside the 8, that's how you judge weakness and strength isn't it?

Last year you stated * and GWS were mentally strong

At what point will you actually realise that it's about the readiness of a healthy list

The cliches are getting tiresome Micha

But the Pies have had 2 years outside the 8, that's how you judge weakness and strength isn't it?

Last year you stated * and GWS were mentally strong

At what point will you actually realise that it's about the readiness of a healthy list

The cliches are getting tiresome Michael

Carlton are mentally weak. That is the difference between 9th and collingwood's preliminary. You are comparing our 20 years of systemic failure to collingwood's 2 years of missed finals, 6 grand finals and a premiership over the same time frame. It is now mainly above the shoulders where we are lacking. If the list is the main issue why are we only taking acres and 3 draft pics. Are Acres and kids going to move the dial? If it is not about mental application why was stocker moved on? You need to base your arguments on reality of Carlton's performances- Carltob 9th and choking. Collingwood prelims and winning tight games. It is mainly above the shoulders

 

[Blue1980]

Apart from last year, no elite ruckman has won a flag in well over a decade and this year will be the same

Ruckmen have to be able to be a threat forward and capable around the ground

TDK is tracking well

Melbourne being linked with Grundy is even more bizarre based on this. Especially with Melbourne having the worst forward line of the top 12 or so sides.

 

[Blue1980]

People think just because his brother has excelled in defence that he will also

We also don’t need him there.

 

[Blue1980]

Everyone is treating Collingwood like this year was an incredible rebuild/rebound and is a modern-day baby bombers*. It wasn't.

They are one of the oldest, most experienced sides out there every week.

Last year was the aberration. This year is back to normal.

They have introduced a nice group of youngsters in the last couple of years. They have had a great year, with a fresh coach, a clear gameplan, player buy-in, and a never give up attitude; not trying to downplay any of that.

But they still have the core of a team that has made it to the 2nd week of the finals 3/4 years prior to 2022.

PS - my post not aimed specifically at you I AM CARLTON, just raising the point in general.

It’s a bit like us bouncing back to being near the top 99-01 after down years 97-98. Got a few younger guys to compliment the older ones.

 

[Blue1980]

Agree - I'm tired of the line 'It's taken Carlton 7 years to rebuild and we did it in one year'

Last year was the aberration partly due to a tired coach on his way out and a playing group unsettled with salary cap issues.

It also helps when you get two Daicos's delivered to your door.

Having said that, I do really like the football they are playing - so fast and dynamic. I think they can give it a shake against the Swans.

Yes we were rock bottom, hence the lengthy rebuild.

 

[Blue1980]

Collingwood are an example that clubs can bounce back quickly, and don't need to spend a decade in the doldrums like we have.

They also didn’t stuff up 6 drafts in a row, and finish last with only 2 good young players and barely any experienced good ones like we did in 2015.

 

[Arr0w]

Carlton are mentally weak. That is the difference between 9th and collingwood's preliminary. You are comparing our 20 years of systemic failure to collingwood's 2 years of missed finals, 6 grand finals and a premiership over the same time frame. It is now above the shoulders where we are lacking. You need to base your arguments on reality and stop living in denial

So we were mentally stronger than the Pies over last 60 years? GWS and * mentally stronger than us last year, but not this year?

We were 50% mentally stronger than last year?

The level of your analysis is based on a supposed culture, ruthlessness and mental strength, which is purely derived from week to week or within season results

Can already predict your response next year, when we make the 8, claiming we are mentally weak due to not finishing top 4

Yawn

 

[Blue1980]

But it's so predictable. His brand would benefit from a bit of humility.

He (quite reasonably) critiques the development environment at CFC during Stocker's time.

If only the list manager of 4 years (at the time) had insight into the club's shortcomings. That LM could then have tailored his recruiting criteria to allow for that.

With that logic SOS could claim every player he ever recruited was awesome and the issue was development.

 

[TENACIOUS]

I have long held the view TDK could be a quality defender and absolutely think he should do some sessions in defence during the pre season. If nothing else it mixes up the match ups during the sessions to add layers.

I still believe his future lies in the ruck. His development has been slow and, in my opinion, incomplete. He needs a dedicated tapping coach, a mentor who can vary his technique and the range of his hit outs. He is somewhat one dimensional and also needs a bit more aggression in his contests more often. He has the scope to be the closest thing to NicNat in the competition. His athleticism should make him a force at each and every ball up. His boundary work is still a work in process as he doesn’t have the core strength of many of his opponents. Do we build his strength at the possible detriment of his leap, or do we look at using him at bounces and ball ups, leaving Pitto to use his strengths at boundary contests?

We have players with varied strengths and could adopt a game plan maximising those aspects or develop Tom to be a more “rounded” ruckman. He could be valuable deployed tactically at either end of the ground if we choose.

Needs to combine his work between the forwards coach and Ruck coach...

Has the athleticism to be something else as a forward/ruck...
IMO, just needs to get stronger and needs to really knuckle down to learn both positions at AFL level...

IF he could become our ruck/forward, he could really be a game changer for us...
2x 200cm+ Athletic KPP (Harry and TDK)
1x Athletic 3rd tall (Curnow)