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Link to Hawthorn Statement. - Link to ABC Sports article. - Leaked Report

 

[Engimal v3]

Follow the cash.
Both sides it seems.
But once again I doubt anyone is lying.

Oh stop this cryptic rubbish lol

Either say something or don't

 

[SSwans2011]

Curious how Sam Newman stays silent about this and has a massive whinge against the entirely harmless Welcome to Country ceremony.

I'd rather not bring attention to it, but the "silent majority" who never shut the **** up have already lapped up his monthly white supremacy rallying cry anyway.

 

[sr36]

Meh we will survive.
What's the worst that would happen? We finish last with 2 wins. Been there done that. If it ends up all true I wont want him coaching next year anyway.

The worst that could happen to North is you take a big financial hit and make a decision that the AFL disapprove of - eg, being coached by a non-exonerated Clarko. A pissed off AFL stops financial support because moves for a Tassie team have begun, so they can afford to lose one of the current 18 without stuffing up TV contracts.

I'm not saying any of that is likely. Just that North need a clear outcome with Clarko more than any other team in the league. North need him to be either exonerated or suspended by the AFL.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Absolutely pertinent questions given how this is playing out in public.

How did he know who the players were? How did he get his hands on the report and in a timely manner, deduce who the players were, interview them and get his story out?

The stories themselves won't change. Political motive behind it to play this out in the public arena or is it as simple as the players and their families going to him after they had been interviewed? And why Jackson?

Like I said, the stories themselves won't change. There is more to this that meets the eye. IMO.

The abc said he didn’t have the report.

He would have done what good journalists do. Everyone knew their were issues with First Nation players and hawthorn. I imagine he went and met with every First Nation player on the list Over the last 15 years and asked questions.

 

[buttox]

The worst that could happen to North is you take a big financial hit and make a decision that the AFL disapprove of - eg, being coached by a non-exonerated Clarko. A pissed off AFL stops financial support because moves for a Tassie team have begun, so they can afford to lose one of the current 18 without stuffing up TV contracts.

We have no debt and brand new facilities. Your barb would have had more effect in 1990. To late now you have to put up with us.

 

[Proper Gander]

Follow the cash.
Both sides it seems.
But once again I doubt anyone is lying.

If cash was a motive, then speaking to a Hawthorn reviewer 10 years after the event then talking to the ABC doesn’t seem to be the best way to go about it.

I honestly don’t think the people who told their stories should be suspected of some kid of money grab - its not like one person randomly showed up on 60 minutes

 

[nineteen eighty]

The abc said he didn’t have the report.

He would have done what good journalists do. Everyone knew their were issues with First Nation players and hawthorn. I imagine he went and met with every First Nation player on the list Over the last 15 years and asked questions.

Too coincidental for mine. Timing is impeccable. How long was the report with Hawthorn before Jackson's work? Not that long from what I can gather. Happy to be corrected.

Sorry but in such huge matters, I don't really believe in coincidences.

 

[buttox]

If cash was a motive, then speaking to a Hawthorn reviewer 10 years after the event then talking to the ABC doesn’t seem to be the best way to go about it.

I honestly don’t think the people who told their stories should be suspected of some kid of money grab - its not like one person randomly showed up on 60 minutes

I never accused anyone of a money grab.
I dont believe anyone is lying.
I'm not sure how many times I need to say it.

 

[campbell]

I think the fact that Newbold didn't step aside until this all became public is a big red flag.
Surely a leave of absence of some kind would have been quietly announced at 5.55pm on a Friday if they had any plans to actually deal with the situation.

They are still rug shopping, having trouble finding one large enough to contain everything...

 

[buttox]

Too coincidental for mine. Timing is impeccable. How long was the report with Hawthorn before Jackson's work? Not that long from what I can gather. Happy to be corrected.

Sorry but in such huge matters, I don't really believe in coincidences.

Even if the report was leaked to him you could probably never prove it.
I dont think it matters. He says he spoke to them directly and has first hand accounts. Hes just doing his job imo.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Too coincidental for mine. Timing is impeccable. How long was the report with Hawthorn before Jackson's work? Not that long from what I can gather. Happy to be corrected.

Sorry but in such huge matters, I don't really believe in coincidences.

No doubt at all he had the report leaked to him imo. Not sure who from.

 

[Area51]

The worst that could happen to North is you take a big financial hit and make a decision that the AFL disapprove of - eg, being coached by a non-exonerated Clarko. A pissed off AFL stops financial support because moves for a Tassie team have begun, so they can afford to lose one of the current 18 without stuffing up TV contracts.

I'm not saying any of that is likely. Just that North need a clear outcome with Clarko more than any other team in the league. North need him to be either exonerated or suspended by the AFL.

And they need it to happen quickly which it's not by the looks of it.

 

[buttox]

And they need it to happen quickly which it's not by the looks of it.

The sound clip I posted in here earlier has Damian barrett talking about that.
Apparently one of the coaches is thinking about returning to work as the process looks like taking more time than the 8 weeks originally told to them.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

My theory is that the complainants were notified of the outcome of the Hawthorn report, had already spoken to Russell Jackson giving the same version of events, and upon knowing that Hawthorn and the AFL were still sitting on it after two weeks with nothing seemingly being done, gave the go ahead for Jackson to run the article. I don't blame them.

Again, let's reiterate - if the ABC did not publish this article, it is a real chance the AFL could have buried this thing entirely, in secret, with none of us ever knowing there was even an investigation into the named staff in the first place - just a general idea that Hawthorn reviewed things after the Riolis' complaints and the news report being quickly swamped by whatever De Goey went up to in Bali this off season.

Might be as simple as Clarkson being hired by North.

You’ve given your story to the Hawthorn report… then next thing one of the main blokes you’re accusing is being paraded around the media circuit as the saviour of a footy club.

You might just say “**** this” and pick up the phone… I could see it.

 

[RedBloodBlackSwan]

I don't want to derail the thread but come on man. Laura Tingle is one of the best journalists this country has.

Agreed. She spent a whole career biting her tongue and reporting within the spaces given to her, mostly by people less impressive than her. She now has space and is flourishing in the openness.

I think she does sometimes show her hand a bit too much but she more than makes up for it with her courage to call a spade a spade and not let the latest zeitgeist or powerful interests dictate how she will report.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

This will go to court to clear names

Either Russell Jackson and ABC will cop a serious lawsuit or clarko and fages will be unemployed

The ABC cop a serious lawsuit? Good one.lol .

 

[JDavey]

I think the fact that Newbold didn't step aside until this all became public is a big red flag.
Surely a leave of absence of some kind would have been quietly announced at 5.55pm on a Friday if they had any plans to actually deal with the situation.

100% - you have people saying Clarko et al haven't been afforded due process despite being given multiple opportunities to reply to the accusations - but without the ABCs report who is to say the Hawks report sees the light of day.

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

If the ABC statement is correct, I'd argue that Fagan and Clarkson are the ones feeling the heat.

To be caught lying, or intentionally being misleading, at this very early stage is not a good look.

Neither Clarkson or Fagan have said anything about the ABC article or the time they were provided to respond to it, they have only ever mentioned that they had no opportunity to respond to the Hawthorn report, which has now been sent to the AFL integrity unit. Both Clarkson and Fagan are employed within the AFL so they will respond to and abide by the AFL investigation process.

This ABC release seems to be backing up Russell Jackson in his Twitter spat with Eddie McGuire from Tuesday.

 

[Sentinel]

The whole point about the response time afforded by the journalist to those named in the article is such a huge red herring for those wanting to distract from the actual issue at hand.

The focus should be solely on what is alleged to have occurred, not how long everyone was given or not given to reply to the journalist (since, whatever they could have said in reply to the article they can still say now).

 

[Satan]

They are still rug shopping, having trouble finding one large enough to contain everything...

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

The whole point about the response time afforded by the journalist to those named in the article is such a huge red herring for those wanting to distract from the actual issue at hand.

The focus should be solely on what is alleged to have occurred, not how long everyone was given or not given to reply to the journalist (since, whatever they could have said in reply to the article they can still say now).

No one in their right mind is going to respond to allegations as serious as these and play their case out through media sound-bytes and paraphrased articles.

The red herring is the thought that they were ever going to respond to anonymous claims in a newspaper article at all.

 

[tandino]

How does...... Russell Jackson sleep at night? With all that shameful conduct he wasn't involved with and played no part in.

 

[Redline]

It sucks for North Melbourne, but the longer this investigation and saga drags on, I feel like it's less likely Clarkson will coach them.

It's a pivotal time in their club and their rebuild with the forthcoming trade period, and clearly it doesn't look like Clarkson will take charge at the club before January (based on current projections)

Won't help their cause of Clarkson takes this to every legal channel possible and it may take several months to get resolved

I think Brisbane probably still have mechanisms in place to keep Fagan on, but it really does seem a long shot now for Clarkson to coach NMFC.

That's my take as well. I think Fagan being already in the job means he has more chance of riding this out.

 

[Sinjin Smith]

I’ve yet to see a person on here who thinks there should be no right of reply for the accused and they should just ban everyone accused for life now.

I mean maybe they are out there, but not on this forum.

Aristotle Pickett is one.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Neither Clarkson or Fagan have said anything about the ABC article or the time they were provided to respond to it, they have only ever mentioned that they had no opportunity to respond to the Hawthorn report, which has now been sent to the AFL integrity unit. Both Clarkson and Fagan are employed within the AFL so they will respond to and abide by the AFL investigation process.

This ABC release seems to be backing up Russell Jackson in his Twitter spat with Eddie McGuire from Tuesday.

But that's where their statements are purposely misleading.

Who cares if they weren't given what they perceive as fair treatment and process from the Hawthorn review? If the ABC article didn't come out, no one would have even known it existed.

What people are reacting to, is the ABC article.

So when they make their statements, and talk about being victims, they're being misleading. They weren't given right of reply to the Hawthorn review, and nor should they have been. But they were given right of reply to the actual thing that everyone is talking about. But their statements intentionally blur that.