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[Taylor]

I think there are enough people who care about this issue, including our own Alex Pearce

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, who would contribute to a fund to purchase the sponsorship of the Dockers replacing Woodside if there was a facility to contribute $50 or $1000 etc towards the goal if Fremantle Football Club set that target figure and committed to the deal should that figure be met.

It would need to be three or four years worth of sponsorship so we are talking a considerable amount of money, but it is achievable if people are willing to put their money where their mouth is.

If the deal with Woodside is $3,000,000 a season then $12,000,000 spread between enough to make it $1000 per person is only going to need 12,000 people involved.

If Fremantle need to then replace employment placement programs that Woodside currently operate on behalf of Fremantle FC then there needs to be further involvement. But maybe there aren't enough people who care THAT much about the issue to tip in enough to seize the position.

Unfortunately this entire campaign is just the current phase, in the next step they claim companies like these don't do enough for the community in an attempt to further divide. They need the PR sponsorship, which almost every big business sponsorship is, to go away because they are always linked with community benefit programs.

 

[myfreodom]

And if Woodside offer more money to keep their place? Is Freo expected to take less money to be a good citizen to people who aren't putting their own cash on the line?

So only rich people/corporations should get to have a say?

Why don't we go back to the dark ages where non-whites had no rights, white people could have slaves and treat them however they want, women had zero rights and so on?

I don't always agree with what people protest about but being able to stand up for what you believe in is a fundamental building block of a good democracy.

I personally think people that support Trump, Palmer, etc are absolute nutters. But that is their right and they have a right to voice their own opinions like anyone else. But likewise people have a right to disagree as well.

Lets not pretend corporations don't have a voice of their own either. The current climate where my fellow white men whine like babies as if they are suffering victims is embarrassing. Having your privileges taken away is not being a victim - the clue is in the word privilege.

 

[88mph]

And if Woodside offer more money to keep their place? Is Freo expected to take less money to be a good citizen to people who aren't putting their own cash on the line?

The replacement sponsor has deep pockets so it's not even an issue.

 

[serial_thrilla]

Current AFL club top tier sponsors:

• Adelaide: Toyota.
• Brisbane: XL Express, Youi.
• Carlton: Hyundai, Great Southern Bank.
• Collingwood: Emirates, KFC, Nike, La Trobe Financial.
• Essendon: Fujitsu, Amart Furniture.
• Fremantle: Programmed, Woodside.
• Geelong: Ford.
• Gold Coast: Hostplus.
• GWS: Toyo Tires.
• Hawthorn: State of Tasmania.
• Melbourne: Zurich, Jaguar.
• North Melbourne: Mazda.
• Port Adelaide: MG, KFC, GFG.
• Richmond: nib, Latitude.
• St. Kilda: Pepper Money, Webcentral.
• Sydney: QBE.
• West Coast: Hungry Jack's, Lendi.
• Western Bulldogs: Mission Foods.

Clearly we need to eye off a fast food company, bank, or car manufacturer.

 

[Taylor]

So only rich people/corporations should get to have a say?

Why don't we go back to the dark ages where non-whites had no rights, white people could have slaves and treat them however they want, women had zero rights and so on?

I don't always agree with what people protest about but being able to stand up for what you believe in is a fundamental building block of a good democracy.

I personally think people that support Trump, Palmer, etc are absolute nutters. But that is their right and they have a right to voice their own opinions like anyone else. But likewise people have a right to disagree as well.

Lets not pretend corporations don't have a voice of their own either. The current climate where my fellow white men whine like babies as if they are suffering victims is embarrassing. Having your privileges taken away is not being a victim - the clue is in the word privilege.

You don't need to be rich at all. I detest you devolving this into race and gender.

Democratising these sorts of things is entirely possible. If a billion people care enough to donate $1 then Fremantle FC will be sponsored by Extinction Rebellion for the next generation.

The facility and option is there. But if they choose to just say "you should do this because I think it's better" and the subtext of that is the person making the request will get all they want and someone else will wear the cost.

They are welcome to do that, but they should speak openly about the full reality of their request. They have chosen not to raise the money themselves to achieve their goal and instead went down the path of using the media to create public pressure to get what they want.

 

[AstonSouffle]

Current AFL club top tier sponsors:

• Adelaide: Toyota.
• Brisbane: XL Express, Youi.
• Carlton: Hyundai, Great Southern Bank.
• Collingwood: Emirates, KFC, Nike, La Trobe Financial.
• Essendon: Fujitsu, Amart Furniture.
• Fremantle: Programmed, Woodside.
• Geelong: Ford.
• Gold Coast: Hostplus.
• GWS: Toyo Tires.
• Hawthorn: State of Tasmania.
• Melbourne: Zurich, Jaguar.
• North Melbourne: Mazda.
• Port Adelaide: MG, KFC, GFG.
• Richmond: nib, Latitude.
• St. Kilda: Pepper Money, Webcentral.
• Sydney: QBE.
• West Coast: Hungry Jack's, Lendi.
• Western Bulldogs: Mission Foods.

Clearly we need to eye off a fast food company, bank, or car manufacturer.

Tbh - how a recruitment company has the coin to bankroll a sponsorship has always perplexed me, I've jumped to the conclusion without knowing the full details that they're probably not paying all that much and Freo could and should be doing better.

 

[s_wd6]

Tbh - how a recruitment company has the coin to bankroll a sponsorship has always perplexed me, I've jumped to the conclusion without knowing the full details that they're probably not paying all that much and Freo could and should be doing better.

I might be wrong but i thought they mentioned during the doig that programmed wasn't continuing beyond their current contract

 

[Grape Bear]

Tbh - how a recruitment company has the coin to bankroll a sponsorship has always perplexed me, I've jumped to the conclusion without knowing the full details that they're probably not paying all that much and Freo could and should be doing better.

It begs the question, then, about how much Woodside are actually giving us in sponsorship money and possible intangibles. What kind of money are we being asked to give up and how are we going to cover the shortfall? I would think that the option shouldn’t be on the table unless there was a definite deal done to cover what we’ll lose.

I believe in climate change, but being a pragmatist, I also don’t believe in cutting our nose off to spite our face. And also - I may be naive - but I don’t think whether Woodside is giving us their money or not affects how much they as a company are pumping CO2 into the air.

I am conflicted about all of the above.

 

[Freo88]

The replacement sponsor has deep pockets so it's not even an issue.

Fortescue Future Industries?

 

[serial_thrilla]

Current AFL club top tier sponsors:

• Adelaide: Toyota.
• Brisbane: XL Express, Youi.
• Carlton: Hyundai, Great Southern Bank.
• Collingwood: Emirates, KFC, Nike, La Trobe Financial.
• Essendon: Fujitsu, Amart Furniture.
• Fremantle: Programmed, Woodside.
• Geelong: Ford.
• Gold Coast: Hostplus.
• GWS: Toyo Tires.
• Hawthorn: State of Tasmania.
• Melbourne: Zurich, Jaguar.
• North Melbourne: Mazda.
• Port Adelaide: MG, KFC, GFG.
• Richmond: nib, Latitude.
• St. Kilda: Pepper Money, Webcentral.
• Sydney: QBE.
• West Coast: Hungry Jack's, Lendi.
• Western Bulldogs: Mission Foods.

Clearly we need to eye off a fast food company, bank, or car manufacturer.

It's also worth noting that GFG (Port Adelaide) has steel and aluminium mining operations, so we're not the only ones in bed with a miner. And there are several mining companies with second tier sponsorships, including BHP and Mineral Resources with our feathered friends down the road.

 

[Taylor]

I am conflicted about all of the above.

It's why the easiest solution is for a facility to be in place for the Fremantle (and worldwide) supporters of changing sponsorship to contribute to that directly.

If the total needed is met then the pledges are paid. Done. It's resolved. People power won out. Enough people contribute then each average contribution isn't needed to be so large.

The first entity that does this can push back on the environmental groups so that they cough up $50,000 each to the cause too. It will be world wide news. Their message will have a big platform without the need for divisive stunts.

I think it would bring in more money for Fremantle than our existing sponsors, especially if an international or government level group saw fit to pat themselves on the back for contributing to the program.

Freo could get $100m worldwide.

Or maybe not, maybe people just want to click like and be done with doing their part.

 

[Freo88]

It's also worth noting that GFG (Port Adelaide) has steel and aluminium mining operations, so we're not the only ones in bed with a miner. And there are several mining companies with second tier sponsorships, including BHP and Mineral Resources with our feathered friends down the road.

Yep. Also BHP major sponsors of the Glory. Santos sponsoring Super Rugby and logo on all teams jerseys.

This could be a can of worms - where does it stop? All emitters no longer to sponsor sporting clubs?

Surely sports betting and fast food should be thrown into this conversation as well (including Crypto).

 

[random260]

Woodside should pull there sponsership. Your president did a horrible job of batting for them. Wow. There are plenty of footy players family that have connection with Woodside. The fact not even one has the balls to defend them is weak.

The first current AFL fremantle player to bat for them will get nice paycheck. It blows my mind nobody has balls

It's not hard to defend Woodside. The miners own WA and have the huge support

 

[Freo88]

Woodside should pull there sponsership. Your president did a horrible job of batting for them. Wow. There are plenty of footy players family that have connection with Woodside. The fact not even one has the balls to defend them is weak.

It's not hard to defend Woodside. The miners own WA and have the huge support

It's a well known fact West Coast have been keen on poaching the Woodside sponsorship for years.

 

[Taylor]

The people heading up this public relations push against Woodside are the ones who couldn't beat them in the court over Scarborough going ahead and now wish to take it to the court of public opinion instead.

Again, raise the money to replace Woodside and it's no longer an issue. Everyone gets what they want, except Woodside.

 

[AstonSouffle]

Woodside should pull there sponsership. Your president did a horrible job of batting for them. Wow. There are plenty of footy players family that have connection with Woodside. The fact not even one has the balls to defend them is weak.

The first current AFL fremantle player to bat for them will get nice paycheck. It blows my mind nobody has balls

It's not hard to defend Woodside. The miners own WA and have the huge support

Mr. West Coast - have you got a link to where and when the president said what said? Interested to read it!

Also semantics but Woodside is most certainly not mining.

 

[random260]

It's a well known fact West Coast have been keen on poaching the Woodside sponsorship for years.

I hope they do. Wce would have no trouble batting for them. But your president was horrible in his defence. Why the **** would have even discuss the issue if you are going to fumble it.

A sponser is a sponser you don't say your contract is ending unless you are looking to fleece them or end them. But I don't think your president was smart enough to do that.

Mr. West Coast - have you got a link to where and when the president said what said? Interested to read it!

Also semantics but Woodside is most certainly not mining.

Oil and miners are tied at the hip in terms of support. If you hate gas your need to hate miners

 

[AstonSouffle]

It begs the question, then, about how much Woodside are actually giving us in sponsorship money and possible intangibles. What kind of money are we being asked to give up and how are we going to cover the shortfall? I would think that the option shouldn’t be on the table unless there was a definite deal done to cover what we’ll lose.

I believe in climate change, but being a pragmatist, I also don’t believe in cutting our nose off to spite our face. And also - I may be naive - but I don’t think whether Woodside is giving us their money or not affects how much they as a company are pumping CO2 into the air.

I am conflicted about all of the above.

This all sounds like Fremantle drumming up a situation to ask for more money from Woodside tbh

 

[Freo88]

I hope they do. Wce would have no trouble batting for them. But your president was horrible in his defence. Why the * would have even discuss the issue if you are going to fumble it.

A sponser is a sponser you don't say your contract is ending unless you are looking to fleece them or end them. But I don't think your president was smart enough to do that.

Oil and miners are tied at the hip in terms of support. If you hate gas your need to hate miners

Thanks Trevor

 

[mayne iac]

Fortescue Future Industries?

I reckon it will be, he's going all out (Or madder....) with his Hydrogen/wind farms etc, will be a world leader in it very soon.
Hats off if he makes it work.

 

[myfreodom]

Tbh - how a recruitment company has the coin to bankroll a sponsorship has always perplexed me, I've jumped to the conclusion without knowing the full details that they're probably not paying all that much and Freo could and should be doing better.

Programmed has revenues of over $3billion. It isn't just a recruitment company.

edit - actually scratch that. I think it is over $7 billion now.

 

[Mags98]

Ladder Analysis after trade week

2022 Finish	Team	Notes	2023 Prediction
1	Geelong Cats	Another Year on, Some quality additions (allegedly). Henry is quality, question marks on Bruhn and Bowes. Pick 7	1st - 3rd
2	Melbourne	Replace Jackson with Grundy, Hunt with Hunter, Potato with Spud. Cracks are evident, but still have great quality. Didn't address their major deficiency	5th - 10th
3	Sydney Swans	Improvement will come from within, with the young squad. Franklin is another year older, Reid has his injury troubles, McDonald yet to step up	2nd - 5th
4	Collingwood	Senior players another year older, added a slow midfielder which could impact their strength from 2022. Growth will still come from youth	4th - 8th
5	Fremantle	Upgraded Logue to Corbett, Lobb to Jackson and Replaced Mundy with O'Meara. More growth to come from youth.	3rd - 6th
6	Brisbane Lions	Big throw at the stumps coming up. Dunkley is the biggest addition, and Ashcroft will impact. Is it enough?	2nd - 6th
7	Richmond	Taranto is a big addition, Hopper TBA. Will they get impact from Cotch, Dusty, Riewoldt?	3rd - 8th
8	Western Bulldogs	Lost arguably their best midfielder. (well, he was the B&F winner), and added… Lobb? So they're two hearts short of a good team. Not sure where the improvement comes from	8th - 14th
9	Carlton	Should have made finals this year, have the talent. No excuse.	5th - 8th
10	St Kilda	Hayes back in the side to replace Ryder will help. How much? shrugs	10th - 14th
11	Port Adelaide	Should push back into the 8, though some doubts still over their forward and back lines.	6th - 12th
12	Gold Coast Suns	Will this be the year? Will it? King back will be great.	7th - 14th
13	Hawthorn	Ouch.	16th - 18th
14	Adelaide Crows	No improvement to their biggest weakness in the midfield. Rankine and Rachele show	14th - 18th
15	Essendon	New coach, will be bedding down standards, game plan, and seeing who will be there the year after.	12th - 16th
16	GWS Giants	Gutted the list for round 2. Will be some tough times coming	17th - 18th
17	West Coast Eagles	Should climb a bit, unless injuries again strike hard	14th - 18th
18	North Melbourne	Couldn't get any worse, some experience into the side should help to stem the bleeding a little.	14th - 18th

reckon essendon are more likely to finish bottom than the crows tbh but other than that pretty accurate from ya

 

[GingerDocker]

Tbh - how a recruitment company has the coin to bankroll a sponsorship has always perplexed me, I've jumped to the conclusion without knowing the full details that they're probably not paying all that much and Freo could and should be doing better.

I think you'll find Programmed are far more than just a recruitment company...they're huge.

 

[Mags98]

christ so bizzare to see people here going out to bat for massive corporations over some people who are interested in protecting the future of the planet?

never understood why people get so upset at activists, like the group who threw some shit at a painting, everyone was absolutely fuming at that but hardly give a piss about some corporations ****ing the world beyond repair or having politicians in their pocket

 

[AstonSouffle]

Oil and miners are tied at the hip in terms of support. If you hate gas your need to hate miners

My take on mining and gas is that it needs to be done safely and have good rehabilitation plans, so if governments waive strict environmental requirements for kickbacks then that's not okay.

My problem isn't mining, my problem is that we literally have mine sites in our country that have diverted entire river systems around open pits and everyone is like 'it brings lots of jobs' like bruh, that's fine and all but the environmental cost is massive. Or tailings dams leaking all over the place, or acid runoff irreparably stains places / makes them no-go zones. Mine away, create jobs, make money but do it safely and have a plan in place to clean up after yourselves, if can't do it then you shouldn't be able to run.