Training 2023 Pre-season thread

[BuntonRules]

If McKenna plays in a premiership for the Lions, and leaves - I can live with that.

 

[Tom14]

At least all those players signed on for longer than a year. They also didn't shop themselves around to other clubs in a window. I may be wrong about McKenna, happy if I am, but that's just the way I feel at the moment. Certainly no need to be sarcastically passive aggressive. If you disagree, say you disagree and put fwd a counter argument with your point of view. I'm very happy to discuss issues in an open and respectful way.

I will admit to it being sarcastic, but certainly wasn't passive aggressive. Anyway, I disagree - why shouldn't he have the right to decide where he wants to play as someone who was in the system for a long period of time?

As for people shopping themselves around, Dunkley did a tour of port adelaide as well before settling on us too - I couldn't care less about it. Made it even funnier when he didn't end up going there. I also totally forgot to include Charlie Cameron in my list of loyal lions.

 

[Gadzorks]

Joe really embraces that silly moments doesn't he.

 

[dlanod]

He will kick 15+ goals this year. Bookmark it

15.45

 

[Maverick]

Just got home from a few days in Sydney, so I only just got a chance to see the replay this morning.

I still enjoy travelling on the Big Grey Bird.

Reading a couple of the comments here I thought Dev must have had a howler.

Had a couple of turnovers. But Gee, there’s a lot he gets right too you know.

His attack on the ball is as good as anyone. Love his contested ball work. Wins more than his fair share. Works hard both ways. Strong overhead for his size. Kicked a goal. Thought he did ok without being brilliant.

 

[Quested]

Off the leash: Dogs unveil new-look forward line in North demolition - Off the leash: Dogs unveil new-look forward line in North demolition

I love how the Dogs 'demolished' the wooden spooners but no such comment when we beat the premiers by just a 10 point different margin.

 

[Sanchez365]

McKenna had a massive howler running at full pace against the swans that I think everyone here picked up on. A mercenary he may be but we have had a few of those along the journey, and most big flag winning teams have them (Lake, Gibson, Frawley, Ottens, J Cameron). He was much better against the cats and it will be interesting to see how he fits in and develops. He's still only 25 so a lot of room for growth still, his upside is way higher for this season imo then Wilmot, Answerth or Prior across that half back position.

When it comes to wings and Answerth, I would compare him more closely to Prior rather then Dev as far as what they bring, and I have a better feeling about Prior in that position rather then Answerth. Both still have upside and either could take the position long term, but that defensive fat side winger I would probably have either Ah Chee, Prior, Wilmot or Answerth (in that order).

Dev seems to be rotating with the more offensive, inside mid winger like Jarrod Berry

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Jarrod Berry

Age

28

Ht

193cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

8.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.1

5star

CL

2.9

4star

D

10.6

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

6.2

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.8

3star

, who offers a very similar skill set. Weather the coaches think we can have both of those guys in the team at once remains to be seen, but I think dev has shown he could play that more defensive side winger too, and I would probably place him (personally) above Ah Chee in that role.

There is no doubt that we need to have a few of those guys playing who are willing to sacrifice their game and play defensively so our more offensive backs (Rich, Coleman, Rayner) and wings (Bailey, Berry, Zorko) can go about delivering the ball inside 50.

Our success this season will be about getting that balance right, it's a tough seat at the selection table so far this pre season for me.

 

[martinson]

McKenna had a massive howler running at full pace against the swans that I think everyone here picked up on. A mercenary he may be but we have had a few of those along the journey, and most big flag winning teams have them (Lake, Gibson, Frawley, Ottens, J Cameron). He was much better against the cats and it will be interesting to see how he fits in and develops. He's still only 25 so a lot of room for growth still, his upside is way higher for this season imo then Wilmot, Answerth or Prior across that half back position.

When it comes to wings and Answerth, I would compare him more closely to Prior rather then Dev as far as what they bring, and I have a better feeling about Prior in that position rather then Answerth. Both still have upside and either could take the position long term, but that defensive fat side winger I would probably have either Ah Chee, Prior, Wilmot or Answerth (in that order).

Dev seems to be rotating with the more offensive, inside mid winger like Jarrod Berry, who offers a very similar skill set. Weather the coaches think we can have both of those guys in the team at once remains to be seen, but I think dev has shown he could play that more defensive side winger too, and I would probably place him (personally) above Ah Chee in that role.

There is no doubt that we need to have a few of those guys playing who are willing to sacrifice their game and play defensively so our more offensive backs (Rich, Coleman, Rayner) and wings (Bailey, Berry, Zorko) can go about delivering the ball inside 50.

Our success this season will be about getting that balance right, it's a tough seat at the selection table so far this pre season for me.

Players make mistakes all the time. He was running 100mph into that kick.

I swear some people wait for certain guys to make a blue then have to tell everybody.

I still see they're still carrying on about Keays deficiencies on another thread.

After a practice match.

 

[Nunez]

15.45

If he has 60 shots at goal as a midfielder he's winning the Brownlow. I'll take it!

 

[martinson]

If he has 60 shots at goal as a midfielder he's winning the Brownlow. I'll take it!

It's obviously a mental thing that he will overcome once he starts nailing a few.

 

[DERRINALPHIL]

He will kick 15+ goals this year. Bookmark it

But how many behinds?

 

[Nunez]

Off the leash: Dogs unveil new-look forward line in North demolition - Off the leash: Dogs unveil new-look forward line in North demolition

I love how the Dogs 'demolished' the wooden spooners but no such comment when we beat the premiers by just a 10 point different margin.

I've seen us talked up as flag favourites after the last fortnight of wins.

 

[Nunez]

It's obviously a mental thing that he will overcome once he starts nailing a few.

His set shots are much improved. It isn't always easy to kick goals on the run or from around the corner. Not everyone can be as efficient as Bailey and Cameron.

 

[Quested]

I've seen us talked up as flag favourites after the last fortnight of wins.

Just makes for better headlines if it doesn't come off

 

[Nunez]

Just makes for better headlines if it doesn't come off

Or if it does come off.

I get the media hate (I certainly had many a gripe last year) but actually think we've been covered quite positively this year. I think it's a result of our viewership in the past year. We're overstaking a bunch of Vic clubs in that regard. Hard to ignore us now.

 

[BangyBangy]

Just got home from a few days in Sydney, so I only just got a chance to see the replay this morning.

I still enjoy travelling on the Big Grey Bird.

Reading a couple of the comments here I thought Dev must have had a howler.

Had a couple of turnovers. But Gee, there’s a lot he gets right too you know.

His attack on the ball is as good as anyone. Love his contested ball work. Wins more than his fair share. Works hard both ways. Strong overhead for his size. Kicked a goal. Thought he did ok without being brilliant.

C-130? Or just planes in general?

 

[martinson]

His set shots are much improved. It isn't always easy to kick goals on the run or from around the corner. Not everyone can be as efficient as Bailey and Cameron.

It's obvious we've put in a lot of work with set shots the last couple of years and most of our goalscorers have efficient no fuss actions.

The only ones that give me heart palpitations are Daniher who still tries to kick it too hard , Charlie when he decides to use an AFL game for banana practice, and Zorks who would be better off taking a longer run up and pretend someone was chasing him.

 

[Berrygood]

From my perspective I'm fine with everything he said .He wants to win an AFL flag . Everyone has their reasons. His is valid.

I think it's drawing a long bow to imply he's disloyal. We won't give him another contract if he doesn't shape up. It can't have been that easy to come out here again after what happened to him during covid. All I take from it is that he's extremely motivated.

I never said he was disloyal, didn't mean to imply that either. And I don't doubt he's not motivated. I just had questions about that motivation. That's all.

 

[martinson]

I get your point Berrygood but he's just done what most players would do . No one can mindread motivation. It probably changes as they get into the year as well.

 

[BRAB]

I feel like McCluggage's goal kicking was actually better last year but maybe I imagined it.

 

[Section 5]

Poor Hugh, when you look at the stats from last year, he is close to the best goalkicking midfielder in the AFL.
In the chart below i requested midfielders and in disposal order. A reasonable guide to use
A few others that did not make the list you may be wondering about
Chad Warner

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Chad Warner

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

4star

CL

0.0

1star

going into his 4th year as a Swan could be the player to watch in 2023

Bontenpelli 24:21
Dangerfield 8:12
Cripps .......20:9
Dunkley..... 18:11
Warner .....20:24
Z Merrett.... 6:6
J Kelly .......9:9
Coniglio ....17.11
Viney ........8:3
Boak .......10:10

Rank	Player	2022 Goals & Behinds	Games	Disposals for Last Game	Total
1​	Clayton Oliver​	5:8 (5 goals 8 behinds)​	23​	21 v Brisbane, Semi Final​	753​
2​	Lachie Neale​	11:8​	25​	20 v Geelong, Preliminary Finals​	749​
3​	Jackson Macrae​	4:4​	23​	34 v Fremantle, Elimination Final​	705​
4​	Andrew Brayshaw​	12:12​	24​	32 v Collingwood, Semi Final​	704​
5​	Christian Petracca​	19:31​	24​	27 v Brisbane, Semi Final​	673​
6​	Rory Laird​	7:8​	20​	26 v Port Adelaide, Round 23​	659​
8​	Will Brodie​	6:7​	24​	17 v Collingwood, Semi Final​	643​
9​	Sam Walsh​	5:7​	20​	27 v Melbourne, Round 22​	642​
10​	Touk Miller​	8:11​	22​	25 v North Melbourne, Round 23​	626​
12​	Cameron Guthrie​	12:12​	25​	16 v Sydney, Grand Final​	613​
14​	Luke Parker​	14:10​	25​	23 v Geelong, Grand Final​	611​
15​	Callum Mills​	10:3​	25​	13 v Geelong, Grand Final​	610​
18​	Oliver Wines​	6:11​	21​	35 v Adelaide, Round 23​	596​
19​	Jack Crisp​	12:8​	25​	29 v Sydney, Preliminary Finals​	595​
19​	Adam Treloar​	15:12​	22​	26 v Fremantle, Elimination Final​	595​
21​	Hugh McCluggage​	20:18​	24​	17 v Geelong, Preliminary Finals​	592​

 

[briztoon]

Poor Hugh, when you look at the stats from last year, he is close to the best goalkicking midfielder in the AFL.
In the chart below i requested midfielders and in disposal order. A reasonable guide to use
A few others that did not make the list you may be wondering about
Chad Warner going into his 4th year as a Swan could be the player to watch in 2023

Bontenpelli 24:21
Dangerfield 8:12
Cripps .......20:9
Dunkley..... 18:11
Warner .....20:24
Z Merrett.... 6:6
J Kelly .......9:9
Coniglio ....17.11
Viney ........8:3
Boak .......10:10

Rank	Player	2022 Goals & Behinds	Games	Disposals for Last Game	Total
1​	Clayton Oliver​	5:8 (5 goals 8 behinds)​	23​	21 v Brisbane, Semi Final​	753​
2​	Lachie Neale​	11:8​	25​	20 v Geelong, Preliminary Finals​	749​
3​	Jackson Macrae​	4:4​	23​	34 v Fremantle, Elimination Final​	705​
4​	Andrew Brayshaw​	12:12​	24​	32 v Collingwood, Semi Final​	704​
5​	Christian Petracca​	19:31​	24​	27 v Brisbane, Semi Final​	673​
6​	Rory Laird​	7:8​	20​	26 v Port Adelaide, Round 23​	659​
8​	Will Brodie​	6:7​	24​	17 v Collingwood, Semi Final​	643​
9​	Sam Walsh​	5:7​	20​	27 v Melbourne, Round 22​	642​
10​	Touk Miller​	8:11​	22​	25 v North Melbourne, Round 23​	626​
12​	Cameron Guthrie​	12:12​	25​	16 v Sydney, Grand Final​	613​
14​	Luke Parker​	14:10​	25​	23 v Geelong, Grand Final​	611​
15​	Callum Mills​	10:3​	25​	13 v Geelong, Grand Final​	610​
18​	Oliver Wines​	6:11​	21​	35 v Adelaide, Round 23​	596​
19​	Jack Crisp​	12:8​	25​	29 v Sydney, Preliminary Finals​	595​
19​	Adam Treloar​	15:12​	22​	26 v Fremantle, Elimination Final​	595​
21​	Hugh McCluggage​	20:18​	24​	17 v Geelong, Preliminary Finals​	592​

Believe you may be missing the main point I tried making.

Hugh’s first action when he is in position to have a shot on goal is to look for another option.

On Thursday night he had two clear shots on goal that he passed up. He wasn’t under pressure either time, and had the room and time to steady himself before taking a shot.

I don’t remember whether he hit a target closer to goal either time, but if he misses a target, there’s every possibility the opposition can rebound the ball.

If he takes the shot, generally there’s only 3 likely outcomes; out on the full, a behind, or a goal. I’m deliberately leaving out the ball doesn’t make the distance and is turned over, as that’s an unlikely possibility if Hugh is in range.

 

[ItsRaynerGoals]

I was particularly impressed with Devs defensive running on Thursday night, there were a few times he got back to impact a Cats inside50.

 

[Mighty Lions]

Hughie's disposal is elite in my opinion although he does miss in front of goals more than he should but that's mainly set shots rather than on the run. In most cases you would back him running in from the 50 meter line. ALL players are taught to look at all options even if they are confident of kicking truely.....Hughie is no exception and thats got nothing to do with confidence in his shots at goal.

 

[M Malice]

If you want some light relief the Port board is a good laugh, a lot of posters writing off their season... Lions will flog us in round 1.... calling for Hinkley's head, gee I hope we destroy them.