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[Big Bryza]

See ya patty post bye it is.

Lets hope this time is better surgery than the last. Maybe work on his strength in his shoulder.

I'm sure he followed his rehab just fine. Footy is a contact sport and accidents happen. Won't be the first nor last player to re injure the same joint on the return from injury.

 

[Big Bryza]

Anyone else think that Lipinski's shoulder popped out very easily? He wasn't even really hit there hard, just popped out.

It's all about angles with shoulder injuries. Slightly different case but look at Weitering lining up JDG last season and coming off 2nd best.

 

[Bianconeri]

My view is that in 21 he was playing as a rebounder, but the new coaching group felt he didn't have enough pace for the role. Last year seemed to be about him learning to play a more physical role.

I don't think he's competing for the same roles as Markov, Ryan and Allan. More in line for roles with Bruzzy and Murphy.

He didn’t look like he was learning much then

 

[rand corp]

Only my own observations over the years, but it does appear that a lot of blokes re-do the shoulder or end up doing the other one because they are favouring it. High incidence of relapse unfortunately.

 

[magpies42]

WHE
Allen soon enough if we are lucky

Yep WHE is one, but just doesn’t get the volumes…isn’t accustomed to working his way into the handball chain. I figure his game or instincts don’t work that way.

I can’t see any draftees impacting in the first couple of months.

 

[Jen2310]

If anyone is free. Training is tomorrow afternoon. Around 1pm.

 

[Juan Ide]

Yep WHE is one, but just doesn’t get the volumes…isn’t accustomed to working his way into the handball chain. I figure his game or instincts don’t work that way.

I can’t see any draftees impacting in the first couple of months.

Josh Carmichael, WHE or maybe Johnson with a reshuffle up front? I'd have thought that Allen is the only draftee with a remote chance of playing Round 1 to fill the Lippa void.

 

[Jen2310]

Josh Carmichael, WHE or maybe Johnson with a reshuffle up front? I'd have thought that Allen is the only draftee with a remote chance of playing Round 1 to fill the Lippa void.

Allan isn't ready. Needs more development, no reason to rush him.

Think Carmichael or Reef or WHE

Those would be my options. Reef has been on the edge of selection given his last 2 practice games. Carmy is as close to as like for like for Lippa role wise, and WHE can play multiple roles. So think it'll be one of those.

 

[magpies42]

Josh Carmichael, WHE or maybe Johnson with a reshuffle up front? I'd have thought that Allen is the only draftee with a remote chance of playing Round 1 to fill the Lippa void.

I suspect it’s more likely both Daicos boys playing that looser role, and maybe WHE on a wing. Allen will be struggling to adapt to the pace and rigour of senior football after stint injured last year. Not many players can accumulate in the way that Lippa does, it comes with experience. Carmichael not suitable either I feel, you want good users accumulating the ball on the spread.

 

[The Phantom]

Perhaps Sidebottom pushes forward more to replace Lippa and WHE goes to wing.

 

[stormskye]

I suspect it’s more likely both Daicos boys playing that looser role, and maybe WHE on a wing. Allen will be struggling to adapt to the pace and rigour of senior football after stint injured last year. Not many players can accumulate in the way that Lippa does, it comes with experience. Carmichael not suitable either I feel, you want good users accumulating the ball on the spread.

I was thinking this myself. I think j daicos needs to take Over lippas role. Carmy isn’t anywhere near the same in both run or execution. He doesn’t have the fitness to provide that link up and outside run which is lippa strength. Will be interesting to see what we do. We do have plenty of HB options so yeah perhaps WHE back onto wing which he’s done before

 

[Fruit]

Would moving Nick Daicos to a wing opposite Josh and using Steele as the high half forward/midfield Lipinski role work?
In the cauldron would still be a combination of Mitchell, DeGoey, Crisp, Pendles, Adams, Elliott and McReery.

 

[Eric Shin]

Would moving Nick Daicos to a wing opposite Josh and using Steele as the high half forward/midfield Lipinski role work?
In the cauldron would still be a combination of Mitchell, DeGoey, Crisp, Pendles, Adams, Elliott and McReery.

I like that move. Sidey isn’t too unfamiliar with the high half forward role and can be a good goalsneak. Nick can play almost anywhere, and it’ll be a good way to shake off any possible tags.


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[live fast pieyoung]

Yep WHE is one, but just doesn’t get the volumes…isn’t accustomed to working his way into the handball chain. I figure his game or instincts don’t work that way.

I can’t see any draftees impacting in the first couple of months.

Could play elliot in lippas role, and his role is replaceable by a few

 

[Apples]

I think what the club says publicly on this matter is always going to be on the optimistic side. Lippa returning after the bye is fantasy stuff I think. He's had two major injuries with resultant surgeries within a few months. I reckon they'll go conservative. A return for finals is probably more likely.

 

[Bianconeri]

Would moving Nick Daicos to a wing opposite Josh and using Steele as the high half forward/midfield Lipinski role work?
In the cauldron would still be a combination of Mitchell, DeGoey, Crisp, Pendles, Adams, Elliott and McReery.

That’s a good option, another is keep Nick Daicos at half back move Pendlebury to wing and Sidebottom high half forward. With Tom Mitchell coming in we have the midfield rotation to cover Pendlebury.

 

[Mollythedolly]

I find the Trey Ruscoe situation quite interesting / perplexing. 4th year player, looks like he's already behind Markov who is far from a complete player & is FOTB, whilst Ryan + Allan also got pre-season game minutes. I get that they are rookies, so give them a taste of the action, but at 6' 4" and 4 preseasons under his belt, the coaching staff dont seem to have much faith in him at all.

I actually dont disagree that he has issues to work on / coughs it up too much, and isnt a best 22 player. But he's effectively dead wood if still struggling to impress the coaches, just when we need someone to really come on in this role...

Yep, a strange one. Does a lot right, but the gap between that and what he gets wrong is just too great at the moment. Hopefully he builds the consistency to enable him to make the step up.

 

[Mollythedolly]

I like him, but the problem is pace for that role. He doesn't look quick or particularly evasive to me.

I don’t think pace is an issue.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

See ya patty post bye it is.

Lets hope this time is better surgery than the last. Maybe work on his strength in his shoulder.

If he didn’t work on the strength in his shoulder after the last surgery, much less than awaiting his return we should be delisting him.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Thats a great get. 2021, Lead author one of Greg Hoys trainees so is Melb based data. Big difference in the recurrence rates between the 2 procedures studied, 19% v 0%. Wonder what Lippa had. The different procedures may have different indications as one explanation. If not hopefully Lippa has the Latarjet procedure.

I would think though these were all primary procedures so the return to playing number is likely to be longer in a repeat. Reckon early July optimistic.

Latarjet is normally done in the presence of anterior glenoid bone loss, yes? Not sure Patty’s shoulder’s popped out enough for that to be an issue. Having the coracoid block out front could aid stability, obviously, but I’m unconvinced on the conjoint tendon providing much of a “sling” in elevation.

 

[sideswipe]

Latarjet is normally done in the presence of anterior glenoid bone loss, yes? Not sure Patty’s shoulder’s popped out enough for that to be an issue. Having the coracoid block out front could aid stability, obviously, but I’m unconvinced on the conjoint tendon providing much of a “sling” in elevation.

GC reading your post

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Only my own observations over the years, but it does appear that a lot of blokes re-do the shoulder or end up doing the other one because they are favouring it. High incidence of relapse unfortunately.

Lipinski’s injury would be considered traumatic, whereas what you’re describing is more in line with aging or deficient rotator cuff muscles, maybe even osteoarthritis.

 

[Jen2310]

I think 3pm is the session today. Prob a light session, maybe main session tomorrow.


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[Robroy22]

I think Pendles is the perfect Lippa replacement. Both great users of the ball forward of centre, Pendle's mid minutes will be reducing this year anyway...so instead of back where he'll be found out for speed and overhead capabilities....maybe forward/mid is the go?

 

[Pistol Night]

Where’s Fin Macrae at? He’s the one we need to step up in that role