News Clarkson to step away from football indefinitely

‘Heavy toll’: Roos blindsided by Clarkson decision to step away

North Melbourne are unsure how long Alastair Clarkson will need away from the game, but the club’s football boss Todd Viney, a friend of the master coach, is confident he will not be lost to the sport.

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[South of the Yarra]

No but the media should report things in a balanced and non speculative way which we they dont.

We are having a go at the media and the system not aboriginal people.

The media and AFL have protected Clarkson. Had this been most other industries he would have been stood down indefinitely pending investigation. Would have been a completely different attitude had the accusers been non aboriginal private school boys. there would have been no doubts cast over their accusations. If Clarkson had been the victim and the accusers Aboriginal then they would have been sent on their way without question.

 

[chiwigi]

Serious question for the learned friends among us - should Clarko be going with defamation, Workcover claim, some kind of constructive dismissal thing (AFL meddling dithering creates a hostile environment and untenable workplace?) or a porque no los tres situation?

Defamation is only possible if its a lie.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Yeah this is about Hird facilitating and engaging in a drug cheating program. Essendon sycophants jumping on North’s current misery.


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The situations are dead similar and the comparison very relevant. Somewhat ironically, it’s people like you that are doing the trolling here.

Essendon needed to move on without Hird a lot quicker. North should look at doing the same and this could be the first move toward that.

North need to be about winning footy games. It’s about the club and it’s bigger than any individual within it. That’s how strong clubs need to operate.

By all means support Clarkson in the background if that’s what you feel, but his personal issues can’t get in the way of the club’s success.

At least for the time being, the club needs to move on. This is the right move.

 

[MagpieJo]

The media and AFL have protected Clarkson. Had this been most other industries he would have been stood down indefinitely pending investigation. Would have been a completely different attitude had the accusers been non aboriginal private school boys. there would have been no doubts cast over their accusations. If Clarkson had been the victim and the accusers Aboriginal then they would have been sent on their way without question.

How so?

they have allowed very damning material to be out in the public arena without giving him a chance to say his piece.

it literally all could be bullshit, but his reputation will never recover from this.

It doesn’t matter what colour you are, everyone should get the same treatment, everyone is entitled to belief of innocence until proven guilty.

Race should not come into it.

 

[MagpieJo]

The situations are dead similar and the comparison very relevant. Somewhat ironically, it’s people like you that are doing the trolling here.

Essendon needed to move on without Hird a lot quicker. North should look at doing the same and this could be the first move toward that.

North need to be about winning footy games. It’s about the club and it’s bigger than any individual within it. That’s how strong clubs need to operate.

By all means support Clarkson in the background if that’s what you feel, but his personal issues can’t get in the way of the club’s success.

At least for the time being, the club needs to move on. This is the right move.

Never thought I’d agree with a bomber fan but here we are

 

[MagpieJo]

Defamation is only possible if it’s a lie.

If it’s not proven I bloody well hope he takes the AFL for everything they have got!

dontworry, I’m sure they will expect my fellow members and me to cover it! Equalisation! Hahahahah

when is Gil leaving?

 

[LordLucifer]

I'm going early .........

Clarkson won't be back coaching at North ever again and may not in the AFL ever again.

 

[Kram]

Yes poor Clarkson is the real victim in all this.

 

[peternorth]

It's a vexed situation. Supporters/opponents aka people on either side of the "mental health" debate. I recall a prominent podcaster cast doubts, severe doubts to the extent of buddy franklins depression effectively accusing him of faking it to escape scrutiny for "3 strikes". Yet was adamant that garry lyons depression was/is bona fide.

 

[chiwigi]

If it’s not proven I bloody well hope he takes the AFL for everything they have got!

dontworry, I’m sure they will expect my fellow members and me to cover it! Equalisation! Hahahahah

when is Gil leaving?

It will not likely succeed, without going into detail, investigations do not equal defamation (most of the time).

 

[Macca180]

Put it this way

Why else would he quit?

Investigation has concluded and he has been given all the evidence against him

GUILTY

yeah no.

imagine the stress If innocent

 

[Financialpanther]

Really, have you seen how they treat JHF for leaving their club and you can't see ANY reason as to why they may now redirect their anger and hate towards him now?

I think you are conflating two very different issues for your own enjoyment.

 

[Blue1980]

So many similarities to 1930s Stalinist Russia in how Clarkson has been treated

Stop the hyperbole, this is worse. I assume you have information Clarko and his family have been sent to Siberia and tortured.

 

[Blue1980]

Serious question for the learned friends among us - should Clarko be going with defamation, Workcover claim, some kind of constructive dismissal thing (AFL meddling dithering creates a hostile environment and untenable workplace?) or a porque no los tres situation?

How? What have the AFL actually done? When there are accusations like this against someone, what do you want to happen? Its always going to be very sensitive.

 

[Lsta062]

It matters significantly because Aboriginal people have been pushed to the side and victim shamed for hundreds of years. Had the alleged victims not been Aboriginal but been two privileged non-Aboriginal private school boys then there would have been no doubts cast over their accusations.

It’s true that Indigenous Australians have been treated awfully in Australia. In fact, it’s still happening today. The reality though is that accusations don’t gain more merit just because of a person’s race. That’s a dangerous path to follow because you could probably find liars in every human race on Earth.

So with the information publicly available, I’d rather us refrain from accusing Clarkson and Fagan from wrongdoing at this stage while also not accusing the accusers of lying. Thinking well of both parties and keeping our mouths from talking about what we don’t know shouldn’t be an issue. That’s how we practice innocence until proven guilty.

We weren’t there when things supposedly happened, we don’t really know both the accused and the accusers on a personal level, and we’re not privy to the details of the investigation. As members of the general public, we’re in no position to give weight to one person’s saying over another in this matter regardless of their race.

The accusations are serious if true, but we’re simply not in a good position to fully judge either party right now.

 

[MagpieJo]

It's a vexed situation. Supporters/opponents aka people on either side of the "mental health" debate. I recall a prominent podcaster cast doubts, severe doubts to the extent of buddy franklins depression effectively accusing him of faking it to escape scrutiny for "3 strikes". Yet was adamant that garry lyons depression was/is bona fide.

Gary Lyons’s was guilt!

 

[Blue1980]

100% agree..
If North weren't a basket case I don't think he would have stepped down either.. Dealing with all the crap from supporters and media then having to deal with these allegations would take it's toll

We have a pretty direct comparison as well, Fagan is also under investigation and his side is 7-2 and look to be one of 3 frontrunners for the flag, no way he is stepping down on his own accord.

 

[Chief]

The reality though is that accusations don’t gain more merit just because of a person’s race.

Do you think that is happening here?

 

[MagpieJo]

Clarko havin’ a sook, took his bat and ball and went home no munmy i don’t want to play anymore!!
See ya flog!

Would you say that if he was first nation ?

 

[South of the Yarra]

How so?

they have allowed very damning material to be out in the public arena without giving him a chance to say his piece.

it literally all could be bullshit, but his reputation will never recover from this.

It doesn’t matter what colour you are, everyone should get the same treatment, everyone is entitled to belief of innocence until proven guilty.

Race should not come into it.

Number one he has had every opportunity to say his piece and has had many forums to do so. His reputation rofl. What about the victims? Any thought for them? Try walking in the shoes of a persecuted Aboriginal person for a day and you will have a different view. Yes, everyone should get the same treatment but for 200 years Aboriginal people have not. They have been demeaned, beaten, persecuted, ridiculed and treated as a sub race and sub human. So you are saying the killer of Jill Meagher or Martin Bryant at Port Arthur should not have been held on remand. They should have been freed until trial under the presumption of innocent until proven guilty.

 

[MagpieJo]

Really, have you seen how they treat JHF for leaving their club and you can't see ANY reason as to why they may now redirect their anger and hate towards him now?

Clarkson didn’t quit to go elsewhere, it’s not even comparable.

 

[Freshwater]

Jeff Kennet spoke very well this morning. The person who leaked the information to the ABC really has a lot to answer because the truth telling had only just got started when it ‘blew up’ in the media and it’s been a shit storm since.

 

[Blue1980]

No but the media should report things in a balanced and non speculative way which we they dont.

We are having a go at the media and the system not aboriginal people.

I think it has been reported in a balanced way. I can't see what has changed with the reporting of recent times which would of caused his resignation. Just seems its been commenting on how its been going on for a while and general commentary on how it is progressing.

Only things I can think of which have led to him stepping down now are (or a combination of a few):
a) Its cumulative, and he just needs a break
b) More accusations are about to come out and he has been made aware of this
c) He is coaching a side which isn't good, and will be a long hard slog of a rebuild (which I think everyone already knew)

 

[ferball]

Go stalk 19 yo kids like your creepy fanbase

What goes around, comes around.

Another Port-a-loon. There's a thread for that stuff. Go do it there.

 

[ferball]

How so?

they have allowed very damning material to be out in the public arena without giving him a chance to say his piece.

it literally all could be bullshit, but his reputation will never recover from this.

It doesn’t matter what colour you are, everyone should get the same treatment, everyone is entitled to belief of innocence until proven guilty.

Race should not come into it.

Yeah but it does all the time.