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The problem is they’d be kicking it to Danny Del Re because he’d be about all they’d be able to afford in their salary cap…
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Id suspect they would find a way.
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For over two decades the Carlton Football Club has been abysmal at list management.
Contracts? Don't get me started. Right now we've got several of the worst contracts in the business on our books that will cripple us for years. And the early 2000's when we were terrible we were also cheating the cap? Embarassing.
Unless we have high first round picks we have no ability to identify talent in the national draft. We also seem to mess up first round draft selections more than anyone else. SO MANY first round selection busts. YARRAN. LUCAS. WATSON. BOOTSMA. MENZEL. BOEKHORST. PETROVSKI-SETON. DOW. O'BRIEN. STOCKER. KEMP(?). Realllllly bad.
Since 2000 we have taken ONE player in the national draft outside of the first round who has gone on to play 150 or more games of AFL football. His name? Jarrad Waite. And he was a father/son. Of all the other 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks we have made in the last two decades Dennis Armfield is probably the best name on this list. DENNIS ARMFIELD. I couldn't be bothered counting up how many selections we've made in the last 22 years but I'm sure you could imagine that the number is BIG. Likely 50+. Disgusting.
We used to be pretty good in the rookie draft (Garlett, Casboult, Curnow, Jacobs, Jamison) but more recently these have gone to s**t too.
In the last 6 national drafts the only players we've taken who are playing regular AFL football are Walsh, DeKoning, Motlop, Durdin & Hollands. That is an abysmal outcome for SIX YEARS of drafting. Apart from Walsh they're all fringe players at best too.
We're also terrible at identifying talent via trades. Nic Newman for nothing was a steal, and Sam Docherty for #33 was a massive ROI. Every other trade we've made in the last decade has either been a break-even, but most often we lose out massively.
We're also experts in trading high picks for duds. Here's some of our finest Silvagni specials:
Jaksch and Wiley for 2x 1st round picks
Lamb, Sumner & Phillips for 2x first round picks
Marchbank for 1x 1st round picks
McGovern for 1x 1st round picks
Setterfield for 1x 2nd round pick
In summary - We draft poorly. We trade poorly. We manage our cap poorly. We're the finest example the AFL has of terrible list management.
Contracts? Don't get me started. Right now we've got several of the worst contracts in the business on our books that will cripple us for years. And the early 2000's when we were terrible we were also cheating the cap? Embarassing.
Unless we have high first round picks we have no ability to identify talent in the national draft. We also seem to mess up first round draft selections more than anyone else. SO MANY first round selection busts. YARRAN. LUCAS. WATSON. BOOTSMA. MENZEL. BOEKHORST. PETROVSKI-SETON. DOW. O'BRIEN. STOCKER. KEMP(?). Realllllly bad.
Since 2000 we have taken ONE player in the national draft outside of the first round who has gone on to play 150 or more games of AFL football. His name? Jarrad Waite. And he was a father/son. Of all the other 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks we have made in the last two decades Dennis Armfield is probably the best name on this list. DENNIS ARMFIELD. I couldn't be bothered counting up how many selections we've made in the last 22 years but I'm sure you could imagine that the number is BIG. Likely 50+. Disgusting.
We used to be pretty good in the rookie draft (Garlett, Casboult, Curnow, Jacobs, Jamison) but more recently these have gone to s**t too.
In the last 6 national drafts the only players we've taken who are playing regular AFL football are Walsh, DeKoning, Motlop, Durdin & Hollands. That is an abysmal outcome for SIX YEARS of drafting. Apart from Walsh they're all fringe players at best too.
We're also terrible at identifying talent via trades. Nic Newman for nothing was a steal, and Sam Docherty for #33 was a massive ROI. Every other trade we've made in the last decade has either been a break-even, but most often we lose out massively.
We're also experts in trading high picks for duds. Here's some of our finest Silvagni specials:
Jaksch and Wiley for 2x 1st round picks
Lamb, Sumner & Phillips for 2x first round picks
Marchbank for 1x 1st round picks
McGovern for 1x 1st round picks
Setterfield for 1x 2nd round pick
In summary - We draft poorly. We trade poorly. We manage our cap poorly. We're the finest example the AFL has of terrible list management.
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SOS was on the other end working for GWS at the time
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To each their own but IMO:It's weird, but when we drafted Fisher the expectation was the complete opposite. Just look at his draft profile:
Strengths: Contested footy, aggression, tackling, clean hands
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Weaknesses: Size, injuries
"Fisher is a fierce inside midfielder, who knows how to find the footy. He was the only West Australianat at the Under-18 Championships to average over 20 disposals. He is not naturally quick or as gifted as some players, but he uses the ball well both on the inside and the outside, has good vision and works extremely hard."
His contested possession and tackle counts per year:
2017 = 5.25cp and 3.40 tackles per game
2018 = 7.85cp / 3.47 tackles
2019 = 7.0cp / 2.76 tackles
2020 = 5.75cp / 2.5 tackles (shortened games)
2021 = 6cp / 2.4 tackles
2022 = 6.04 cp / 2.04 tackles
2023 = 4.8cp / 1 tackles
Somehow we have completely beaten the best aspects of Fisher out of him, replacing an undersized but tough and aggressive midfielder with a conditional forward. This one is completely on us as a club and our poor development, to be honest.
It's easier to be "a fierce inside midfielder" when playing against smaller less talented players in junior footy, now try it against the more combative, harder bodies of Parker, Libba etc and it's a whole new ball game & there are plenty of people that would suddenly find themselves a little more timid over a hot footy.
The reduction in contested ball & tackles goes hand in hand with his reduction in midfield minutes.
The club certainly has it's faults but Zac's insipid play rests at his feet alone, unless the club is telling players to not lay a tackle or win the footy, of course.
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Yes our drafting has been extremely poor and so has our trading in the most part but it’s when you add to that our poor development programs is when you truly realise how incredibly lucky we are to have the list we currently have given all of these constraints … and I think we all know that we’ll still find a way to stuff that up too … nothing is surer …
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No so-called DHs at Geelong - just tough, skilful, committed footballers.
Stengle says hi!
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Not since he’s been at the Cats… and certainly nothing like the on-field DHs people are comparing to as some kind of necessary ingredient. If anything, it casts Geelong’s culture in an even more positive light.
Sometimes a Tiger does change its stripes
In a couple of years with good drafting and some good trades our window for 17 could look promising
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On another note... as insanely talented as Harley Reid is, WCE simpky have to trade pick 1 this year. They need about 15 new players and with go home factor Reid would completely blow that joint up if they took him and then requested to go home a year or two later.
West Coast are an exercise of how holding on to too many aging stars should go. How Geelong avoided injury with their cast of 30 somethings last year, I have no idea.
Wouldn't mind a 31 year old Darling coming across for a few seasons...
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Please... Gary Rohan is the king DH if the AFL. Ollie Henry is the most selfish (least liked) player. Stengle is a conformed DH. Success masks all sorts of issues.
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Goes down as a modern miracle that one.
Re TDK, rather than opting for the pick I'd be seeing what we can extract. Would be targetting Close, Stengle, Miers, Holmes from Geelong.
Gresham from the Saints is the type we need but another injury prone player. Would love Owens but incredibly unlikely. Membrey's getting on but would be useful.
Gresham from the Saints is the type we need but another injury prone player. Would love Owens but incredibly unlikely. Membrey's getting on but would be useful.
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Unbelievably theres every chance things get worse for them next season. Shuey, Hurn, Nic Nat all probably finishing up and Yeo, Barrass and Ryan all could be on the trade table to try get some more picks. Insane.
Was preparing to hit the like button until that last sentence.
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If you say so… none of them fit the mould of names being thrown around here though.
He's barely missed a game across his career, kicked 30+ goals in 10 of the past 12 seasons, 40+ goals in 7 of those seasons. Struggled this year in a shizen side but would be more than handy alongside McKay and Curnow.
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Nope. #7 for Jaksch, Wiley and #19
Nope. #28 for Lamb, Sumner, Phillips and Plowman.
Edit: Or if you want the full scope of the trade, Future Cats 1st (#16 from Henderson trade) and #28 for the GWS foursome and #8 (Harry McKay)
Not the full story. Geelong's 2017 1st rounder (approx 16), #45 and #58 for Marchbank, Pickett and GWS' 2017 2nd rounder.
Technical. We gave up #26 and #28 and Sydney being the third prong of that trade gave the Crows #13.
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And a future first that ended up with Brisbane, with which they selected Berry.
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Wait a second. We did go seeking #28 from Adelaide to pay for the GWS foursome, but yes ... that trade also involved us giving up Geelong's future 1st (#16) that we got for Henderson, but we got back #8 which we used to get Harry McKay. We killed on that trade.
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Without even going back and checking the rest it would appear that you have forgotten Kade Simpson 4th rounder in 2002.
Others have pointed out other omissions/mistakes.
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