Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Pakenhamsaint]

Is the Doncaster train line on the list?

That thing died in 1969.

 

[Chief]

Because he is still spending 3 billion…

Why are Dans fanbois so thick?

Moria's got you all hot and bothered!

"For no return" being the words you skipped over.

Do you understand?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Really ?
You make a post supporting dans largesse with world bank analysis of federal governments.

Yes. Are you too dim to understand the principle that the threshold at which governments are in trouble keeps climbing higher and may not even exist? Are you too dim to have noticed the follow-up post about state governments in general and Australian states in particular? You got scared of the facts and you're desperately trying to avoid engaging with them, because you're out of your depth.

 

[Wooden Robot]

The Airport would do anything to stop a train. Parking is very lucrative.

Trust me, as someone who grew up in the north west suburbs and lived there for 30 years, the airport rail is a daily source of amusement among locals.
It's been being built or coming every years since the 70s.
I'll go to my grave in 30-40 years knowing it never happened.
More fool's gold for the Creepy Assumer, who is 'getting on with getting things done'

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Fair question re: costs blowout.

I also agree that it should have been held in Melbourne, if at all. My preference at the time was not at all.

I think it is drawing something of a long bow to say that Andrews lied to regional Victorians to get their vote. He didn't exactly need their vote.

Perhaps he had visions of being like Mr 91% over in Western Australia.

I actually had a very quick look at the election results yesterday. I had a look at quite a few seats in and around Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo, Shepparton and Gippsland. Nothing stood out, tiny swing to the Libs in most of them, nothing to really dent any of the margins.

Maybe he cancelled the games as punishment for not voting for him.

Someone made a good point this morning that I heard on radio. Who was going to build all of this infrastructure? They were of the opinion they were scrapped because we weren't physically going to be able to get everything done in the available time frame.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Elitist group those bowlers.

They stitched Essendon up, Andrews is next.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Trust me, as someone who grew up in the north west suburbs and lived there for 30 years, the airport rail is a daily source of amusement among locals.
It's been being built or coming every years since the 70s.
I'll go to my grave in 30-40 years knowing it never happened.
More fool's gold for the Creepy Assumer, who is 'getting on with getting things done'

It will get done eventually. It will be at a point the freeway is a 24 hour carpark.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

My favourite response to them atm is "why are you so upset about it, you snowflake?" and you can actually see the vein on their forehead pulsating

.as if you'd leave your bedroom to actually see someone IRL.

 

[Wooden Robot]

It will get done eventually. It will be at a point the freeway is a 24 hour carpark.

So I've heard since 1975.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

I spoke to someone from Ballarat yesterday after this was announced. He didn't care about them being cancelled. He also said that the overall view of the people living in Ballarat was one of indifference. They weren't unhappy to have it, but at the same time, weren't overly excited either.

Plenty of people I know aren't happy about it. I live in Ballarat.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Surprise UK response to Comm Games bombshell reveals brutal truth of $7bn axing

Surprise UK response to Comm Games bombshell reveals brutal truth of $7bn axing

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[geoffjennings79]

Plenty of people I know aren't happy about it. I live in Ballarat.

So do I, been canvassing opinions from family, friends, work colleagues, tradies today. Virtually no one cares, got bigger fish to fry in their lives than a (now) non-event.
These are nurses, academics, plumber, sparky, IT professionals. On weekends they're sports participants, volunteer helpers, etc. A few expressed mild fleeting disappointment, then on with life.

 

[kickazz]

No matter what you think of it all, it is not a good thing overall for our international reputation for holding sporting events. (Even if no one else wants it either)

Hence we really need to nail the upcoming soccer world cup. We did an amazing job with the Men's Asian Cup, let's do even better with this one.

 

[Wooden Robot]

No matter what you think of it all, it is not a good thing overall for our international reputation for holding sporting events. (Even if no one else wants it either)

Hence we really need to nail the upcoming soccer world cup. We did an amazing job with the Men's Asian Cup, let's do even better with this one.

New Zealand and parts of Australia will do good.
Can't count on Danistan.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Reports coming out that cost to get out of the contract will be at least $1B. The QLD government considered getting out of the Games contract a decade ago and were told the break fee then was $1B. The Gold Coast Games went ahead at a profit

again (because the other person didn't clarify) the quote I saw was that the break fee included the cost for someone else to host (ie QLD would be paying part of it) but if no one else holds it then maybe the fee is less (I linked the ABC news article)

 

[Crankyhawk]

we'll find out what ends up getting done vs whats just promised and never happens

eg housing, infra etc

if we go looking

feel free to criticize a politician for trying to put a good face on a bad situation, as long as you do it every single time anyone does it

which will be basically every single press conference or media release ever

well, tbf theres not a lot of point focusing on what the vic libs do or don't do (as they are the incompetent opposition) so I think it is actually fair to hit Dan a lot.

 

[Wooden Robot]

Someone made a good point this morning that I heard on radio. Who was going to build all of this infrastructure? They were of the opinion they were scrapped because we weren't physically going to be able to get everything done in the available time frame.

Likely closest to the truth - it was going to be a logistical nightmare and we would have been left a laughing stock.
Face facts, the guy does not have a fiscally responsible bone on his body.
Nearly every major projects runs way over time and especially budget, but he pushes on, puts the deadline back ad spends millions and billions more.
Myki was what? $500 million over budget and years late and then beset with problems, but they pushed on.
Suburban Rail Link? Don't start us, but on it goes.
Yet he wants us to think he work up Monday and decided to be 'fiscally responsible'.
Nah sorry.
The d*** needs a new 'Super Computer' as this one still gets numbers and predictions horribly wrong!

 

[Hank Scorpion]

So do I, been canvassing opinions from family, friends, work colleagues, tradies today. Virtually no one cares, got bigger fish to fry in their lives than a (now) non-event.
These are nurses, academics, plumber, sparky, IT professionals. On weekends they're sports participants, volunteer helpers, etc. A few expressed mild fleeting disappointment, then on with life.

This was my read too.

Always difficult to gauge as Andrews' critics and quarters of the media are very loud. But I don't think he takes much more than a scratch from this.

(I don't even remember noticing the Games being on last year - glorified school sports carnival is right)

 

[Crankyhawk]

Did you post this as a comment on the effectiveness of the Victorian Premier's efforts to combat climate change?

I suppose reducing all those plane flights reduces carbon emissions....

 

[Millky95]

.as if you'd leave your bedroom to actually see someone IRL.

Cute personal attack for no reason. Did I upset you, snowflake?

 

[Sttew]

Dan claims CGA begged Australia to host the 2026 games at the last minute. That turns out to be absolute crap. A Victorian government delegation secretly met with the head of the Commonwealth Games in London in late 2021 and pitched to host the games in regional Victoria. The delegation was told to go through the correct channel, CGA, which the government later did.

So the first lie has been exposed.

 

[Sttew]

again (because the other person didn't clarify) the quote I saw was that the break fee included the cost for someone else to host (ie QLD would be paying part of it) but if no one else holds it then maybe the fee is less (I linked the ABC news article)

Don’t know, but Scotland is currently considering stepping in as host.

My understanding is that part of the break fee goes to the city that steps in. It’s never happened before that no city has stepped in. My understanding is that the 2030 and 2034 games were already spoken for. I may be wrong

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Dan claims CGA begged Australia to host the 2026 games at the last minute. That turns out to be absolute crap. A Victorian government delegation secretly met with the head of the Commonwealth Games in London in late 2021 and pitched to host the games in regional Victoria. The delegation was told to go through the correct channel, CGA, which the government later did.

So the first lie has been exposed.

They are begging for it now.

It's a good plan they have - point out all the flaws, and say you still want it to go ahead.

 

[Crankyhawk]

You've just said it will cost $1b.

Were you lying?

the $1b figure must have some reliability, it is quoted in the age

(can't find the original link, though there are multiple articles now that seem to be requoting the QLD government who were told cost of cancelling 2018 would be $1b)

eg

Andrews coy on Commonwealth Games cancellation cost

The cost of Victoria cancelling the 2026 Commonwealth Games remains a mystery, with the state government now locked...

www.thesenior.com.au

its a pity about the original link because it gave me some question as to whether the $1b was a cancel only cost, or if it was cancel + funding the replacement games somewhere else.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Don’t know, but Scotland is currently considering stepping in as host.

My understanding is that part of the break fee goes to the city that steps in. It’s never happened before that no city has stepped in. My understanding is that the 2030 and 2034 games were already spoken for. I may be wrong

Yeah the 2030 is spoken for, think it is somewhere in Canada. Centenary so could also be the last. I don't know if 2034 has been allocated/ bid on.