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List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 7

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Downtown06 said:
Like in the NBA, if you can't keep a star player & they leave via FA then stiff
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I think having compo picks helps with equalisation, especially with them tied to ladder position.

But the rules around compo picks need to transparent and not tied into priority picks and other things and constantly manipulated by the AFL. All clubs should know the rules and be equally bound by them.

For example, I'm not against North letting McKay go for a compo pick to help their rebuild, but the AFL can't then give them a priority pick for poor onfield performance when they chose to get rid of their experience.
 
fargothegreat said:
I think having compo picks helps with equalisation, especially with them tied to ladder position.

But the rules around compo picks need to transparent and not tied into priority picks and other things and constantly manipulated by the AFL. All clubs should know the rules and be equally bound by them.

For example, I'm not against North letting McKay go for a compo pick to help their rebuild, but the AFL can't then give them a priority pick for poor onfield performance when they chose to get rid of their experience.
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My main thing is how they rank these FA picks, I still think pick 3 for McKay is laughable just cause North are at the bottom and a team wants to offer a nice contract to him.

I think the FA compensation should be based on the players rank eg. If Bulldogs lost Bont (in his prime around age 26) to FA then that's an automatic pick 1 as far as I am concerned.
 
Ctl said:
Cal Twomey said Hawks are driving a hard bargain on Koschitzke and the clubs are far apart at the moment. He can see it dragging out to the latter stages of the trade period
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Code for, both clubs have agreed on a deal but will wait till the end of the trade period to see what other picks pop up.
 
Roksman said:
I think you're giving them way too much credit here.

This is a club who thought Grundy could play full forward.

This definitely wasn't some cunning plan.
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I dunno. The order of events was pretty clear.
Oliver stuff was leaked
Further information came out regarding unprofessionalism.
Melbourne stayed quiet for a couple of days to let the media really blow it up.
Then today we get a story early that Melbourne will come out and say that Oliver won't be traded.
Melbourne make an official statement.

Was clear media manipulation for mine to send a message to Oliver that he isn't a protected species.
 
fargothegreat said:
I think having compo picks helps with equalisation, especially with them tied to ladder position.

But the rules around compo picks need to transparent and not tied into priority picks and other things and constantly manipulated by the AFL. All clubs should know the rules and be equally bound by them.

For example, I'm not against North letting McKay go for a compo pick to help their rebuild, but the AFL can't then give them a priority pick for poor onfield performance when they chose to get rid of their experience.
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The AFL Old Boys Competition is seeing more and more Clubs becoming perennial cellar dwellers...perennially poorly managed...perennially in financial strife...perennially lacking members/sponsors...sharing perennially declining footy talent...
With the expansion of the The AFL Old Boys Club competition...this weakening trend is only going to be exacerbated...
No amount of current massaging is going to keep the Public engaged or even interested...
Once the game becomes incomprehensible to all and sundry via the arbitrary and untrialled rule changes...
Its popularity will suffer and wane...happening now! And no amount of Media massaging will reverse that decline!
And this once great game will go via the old Vic soccer teams...goneski!...or as viable as the current VFL.
Once that happens the Goose that's laying the golden egg of TV rights will choke...
Once we have declining TV financial rights...
Bet The AFL Old Boys Club will turn closer and closer to the gambling agencies to make up their financial shortfalls...
And then the real sheet will hit the fan!
 
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tigerfan1961 said:
You don’t know Blair and his list management strategy. Been to quite a few presentations and what you quoted is EXACTLY how he operates. Trade out of what they think is an ordinary draft and buy in to those he and the recruiters rate, 100%
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So your telling me 2 drafts in a row we don't rate 2022 and 2023 ?. I find that astonishing considering we need rejuvenation and young talent to come in. So basically for 2 years we will be deprived of the early talent in the draft that's not a great strategy. The Hopper trade was complete mess what we gave up.
 
db26 said:
So your telling me 2 drafts in a row we don't rate 2022 and 2023 ?. I find that astonishing considering we need rejuvenation and young talent to come in. So basically for 2 years we will be deprived of the early talent in the draft that's not a great strategy. The Hopper trade was complete mess what we gave up.
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We took 5 players inside 30 in 21. Yes you need rejuvenation and we will get it. We also have a fair bit in the VFL that we havent given a lot of opportunities too. I think it probably lies somewhere in between though. Pretty confident the recruiting dept know what they are doing
 
The carry on about the Hopper trade is comical, yes we have now over paid, but realistically it has cost us one crack at a really good player, 1 FFS. If that is the difference to the future of our club then we are all ****ed, but lets ignore that fact we got a great deal on TT.
 
Morro said:
The carry on about the Hopper trade is comical, yes we have now over paid, but realistically it has cost us one crack at a really good player, 1 FFS. If that is the difference to the future of our club then we are all ****ed, but lets ignore that fact we got a great deal on TT.
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Morro said:
1 FFS.
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Yep. That is the facts.
Our entire future gone, because we missed out on one kid, without taking into account any of the variables that come with the draft. Also forgetting, we drafted 5 top 30 players the year before who have all shown something.

The carry on is ridiculous. Hopper will be vital for us in the next few years.
 
Morro said:
The carry on about the Hopper trade is comical, yes we have now over paid, but realistically it has cost us one crack at a really good player, 1 FFS. If that is the difference to the future of our club then we are all ****ed, but lets ignore that fact we got a great deal on TT.
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And the guy is 26/in his prime and would have far greater impact than any 18-year-old kid (who we would've got at what will end up pick 9) for at least 3 more years....
 

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yep, that’s what I’m saying. They would have had to estimate our ladder finish each year to make that call, but given what’s been said about this years draft, it was a reasonable position to take
db26 said:
So your telling me 2 drafts in a row we don't rate 2022 and 2023 ?. I find that astonishing considering we need rejuvenation and young talent to come in. So basically for 2 years we will be deprived of the early talent in the draft that's not a great strategy. The Hopper trade was complete mess what we gave up.
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fargothegreat said:
I think having compo picks helps with equalisation, especially with them tied to ladder position.

But the rules around compo picks need to transparent and not tied into priority picks and other things and constantly manipulated by the AFL. All clubs should know the rules and be equally bound by them.

For example, I'm not against North letting McKay go for a compo pick to help their rebuild, but the AFL can't then give them a priority pick for poor onfield performance when they chose to get rid of their experience.
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Nah, compensation picks are a farce that need to be removed. As someone else posted, if you lose a player, stiff as you’ve had years to sign them up.
 
tiger_tough said:
And the guy is 26/in his prime and would have far greater impact than any 18-year-old kid (who we would've got at what will end up pick 9) for at least 3 more years....
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not to mention he's had 1 year which was injury interrupted, still played some great games, and has 6 left.
 
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