List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part III

[George]

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[George]

Cmon man,
Postcards is on

Watching your little shows, then time to change your nappy and get your jammies on before beddie-byes, sport? School tomorrow xox

 

[bird_man]

The issue is we're replacing depth options with other depth options. I'm tired of seeing VFL types run around in our AFL side. Would rather just bite the bullet and run the kids through there instead. A midfield of Ross Jones Dow Steele and Crouch isn't very exciting lol

I reckon there is zero chance all of those guys are running through the midfield at once.

More than likely a couple will be playing VFL, unless there are injuries, which is why you have depth.

I also think we will he running the kids through there. We've already seen them all get a taste this year and they got more time as the year went on.

Really can't see Dow coming in and totally derailing that.

 

[gringo2011]

AFL 2023 trade news: Carlton gun requests move, Nick Coffield-Liam Henry link to unlock deal​

Paddy Dow will find his way to St Kilda after reuniting with Stephen Silvagni, six years after he chose him at pick 3 in the 2017 national draft. Latest trade news.
Jon Ralph and Sam Landsberger

3 min read
October 8, 2023 - 5:09PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
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03:40
Ralphy's big pre-trade period wrap
AFL: On the Couch's Jon Ralph runs through some of the big trade stories looming in the coming weeks.

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St Kilda could attempt to use its trade compensation for departing top-10 pick Nick Coffield to broker a deal for Fremantle midfielder Liam Henry as Paddy Dow officially nominated the Saints on Sunday.
Carlton clearance specialist Dow will find his way to St Kilda for a later pick after reuniting with Stephen Silvagni at Moorabbin, six years after he chose him at pick 3 in the 2017 national draft.
The Blues will not stand in his way and are likely to accept a late draft pick for the midfielder.
The Saints will enter the first day of the trade period attempting to retain their early picks, desperately hoping an offer for Essendon-bound Jade Gresham hits a first-round trigger.
It would hand St Kilda pick 13 to go with its no.12 selection, although a trio of Suns academy players and Ben McKay’s compensation selection will eventually push that pick back at least four spots.
If St Kilda did land 30-year-old Essendon midfielder Dylan Shiel it would hope to hand over a later pick given his age.
The Saints currently have picks 11, 32 and 53 so will hope to have at least three picks within 32 by the time Gresham departs and the club secures free agency compensation.

Paddy Dow returns to St Kilda. Picture: Michael Willson/Getty Images
Fremantle has made clear how shattered it is to lose Henry given he played 16 games for Justin Longmuir’s side this year.
But as a pick nine in the 2019 national draft St Kilda might argue his value is roughly comparable to Coffield, a pick eight in the 2017 national draft.

Coffield has accepted a deal at the Western Bulldogs despite being offered a new contract at Moorabbin and will go with the Saints’ best wishes.
St Kilda had believed Henry’s trade value was around a third-round selection before the Coffield development, which will give them more flexibility in satisfying Fremantle.
St Kilda list boss Silvagni said the club was looking to bolster its midfield as well as consider another key forward if the club could find one in the trade period.
“We are looking to bring in quality players. We are looking at certain areas on our list but in all our areas we want to add to,” he said.
“We would like to add more to our midfield and forward line, maybe bring in a developing key defender. We want to bring more talent through the door.”
“Liam is looking for a bit more opportunity and he’s nominated St Kilda so now we have to try to get a deal done with Fremantle.”

Nick Coffield is on the move. Picture: Darrian Traynor

ROOS, SAINTS TO REAP FREE AGENCY REWARDS​

North Melbourne and St Kilda are expected to cash in on free agency compensation this year as the league compares future deals for Ben McKay and Jade Gresham to 2023 AFL salaries.
The league has told clubs that it has no discretion to award a club like the Roos greater free agency compensation because of their dire win-loss record, instead going on a strict formula.
But as Essendon prepares to lodge offers for Ben McKay and St Kilda’s mid-forward Gresham, market conditions will help both clubs with free agency compensation.
It comes after clubs were shocked that deals for James Jordon and, in particular, Matt Flynn secured end-of-second-round compensation on Friday.
Some clubs believed Jordon’s age of 22 helped trigger a better compensation pick, there was greater surprise that 26-year-old Flynn also earned a decent selection.
The league’s general manager of clubs David Grossman has confirmed the league will compare deals to salaries from round 1, 2023 - pre-pay rise - to assess whether players fall into the top five per cent of paid players over 25 years of age.
The league uses this year’s salaries as a round 1 cut-off to set free agency compensation even though next year’s salaries will be 15 per cent higher under a newly-brokered pay deal.
So the Roos will receive the No.3 overall pick as free agency compensation if McKay is offered a deal of just under $800,000 in guaranteed money instead of up to the $920,000 a year needed for free agents next October.

Chris Davies, GM of Football of the Power (left) and Brady Rawlings, GM of Football of the Kangaroos. Picture: Michael Willson
Under free agency rules a deal needs only be two years in length to trigger compensation.
So Essendon could offer Gresham a short-term deal of two or three years on just over $800,000 a season to secure first-round compensation for St Kilda.
Grossman said the rise of first-round picks being offered significant sums to sign their second contract had also seen more money paid to players in their third to fifth seasons.
It means there are less players on $800,000-plus in the industry, which helps maximise free agency compensation when offers are lodged exceeding that figure.

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“What we have seen in the last half dozen years is that the value of third, fourth and fifth year player contracts has increased a lot,” Grossman said.
“That sucks money out of the total player payments away from older players. So the value of salary that sits within the 25-and-plus-year cohort is lower on a relative basis. Which means the nominal value of a contract relative to that cohort is different over time.”
The league is assessing whether to tweak the free agency formula based on the number of years in a free agency contract to reflect the reality that a six-year deal is more valuable than a two-year deal.

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Jeepers, I know I'm prone to hyperbole but "Carlton Gun Requests Move" is adding some sauce on the mayo.

 

[George]

We can still do both.


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Hope so. The drafting of half backs and key position projects has run its course

 

[George]

I reckon there is zero chance all of those guys are running through the midfield at once.

More than likely a couple will be playing VFL, unless there are injuries, which is why you have depth.

I also think we will he running the kids through there. We've already seen them all get a taste this year and they got more time as the year went on.

Really can't see Dow coming in and totally derailing that.

If Dow is depth he plays sub 15 games. I don't think that's happening.

 

[Joffaboy]

AFL 2023 trade news: Carlton gun requests move, Nick Coffield-Liam Henry link to unlock deal​

Paddy Dow will find his way to St Kilda after reuniting with Stephen Silvagni, six years after he chose him at pick 3 in the 2017 national draft. Latest trade news.
Jon Ralph and Sam Landsberger

3 min read
October 8, 2023 - 5:09PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
0 comments




03:40
Ralphy's big pre-trade period wrap
AFL: On the Couch's Jon Ralph runs through some of the big trade stories looming in the coming weeks.

Trade HQ​

Don't miss out on the headlines from Trade HQ. Followed categories will be added to My News.
Follow
St Kilda could attempt to use its trade compensation for departing top-10 pick Nick Coffield to broker a deal for Fremantle midfielder Liam Henry as Paddy Dow officially nominated the Saints on Sunday.
Carlton clearance specialist Dow will find his way to St Kilda for a later pick after reuniting with Stephen Silvagni at Moorabbin, six years after he chose him at pick 3 in the 2017 national draft.
The Blues will not stand in his way and are likely to accept a late draft pick for the midfielder.
The Saints will enter the first day of the trade period attempting to retain their early picks, desperately hoping an offer for Essendon-bound Jade Gresham hits a first-round trigger.
It would hand St Kilda pick 13 to go with its no.12 selection, although a trio of Suns academy players and Ben McKay’s compensation selection will eventually push that pick back at least four spots.
If St Kilda did land 30-year-old Essendon midfielder Dylan Shiel it would hope to hand over a later pick given his age.
The Saints currently have picks 11, 32 and 53 so will hope to have at least three picks within 32 by the time Gresham departs and the club secures free agency compensation.

Paddy Dow returns to St Kilda. Picture: Michael Willson/Getty Images
Fremantle has made clear how shattered it is to lose Henry given he played 16 games for Justin Longmuir’s side this year.
But as a pick nine in the 2019 national draft St Kilda might argue his value is roughly comparable to Coffield, a pick eight in the 2017 national draft.

Coffield has accepted a deal at the Western Bulldogs despite being offered a new contract at Moorabbin and will go with the Saints’ best wishes.
St Kilda had believed Henry’s trade value was around a third-round selection before the Coffield development, which will give them more flexibility in satisfying Fremantle.
St Kilda list boss Silvagni said the club was looking to bolster its midfield as well as consider another key forward if the club could find one in the trade period.
“We are looking to bring in quality players. We are looking at certain areas on our list but in all our areas we want to add to,” he said.
“We would like to add more to our midfield and forward line, maybe bring in a developing key defender. We want to bring more talent through the door.”
“Liam is looking for a bit more opportunity and he’s nominated St Kilda so now we have to try to get a deal done with Fremantle.”

Nick Coffield is on the move. Picture: Darrian Traynor

ROOS, SAINTS TO REAP FREE AGENCY REWARDS​

North Melbourne and St Kilda are expected to cash in on free agency compensation this year as the league compares future deals for Ben McKay and Jade Gresham to 2023 AFL salaries.
The league has told clubs that it has no discretion to award a club like the Roos greater free agency compensation because of their dire win-loss record, instead going on a strict formula.
But as Essendon prepares to lodge offers for Ben McKay and St Kilda’s mid-forward Gresham, market conditions will help both clubs with free agency compensation.
It comes after clubs were shocked that deals for James Jordon and, in particular, Matt Flynn secured end-of-second-round compensation on Friday.
Some clubs believed Jordon’s age of 22 helped trigger a better compensation pick, there was greater surprise that 26-year-old Flynn also earned a decent selection.
The league’s general manager of clubs David Grossman has confirmed the league will compare deals to salaries from round 1, 2023 - pre-pay rise - to assess whether players fall into the top five per cent of paid players over 25 years of age.
The league uses this year’s salaries as a round 1 cut-off to set free agency compensation even though next year’s salaries will be 15 per cent higher under a newly-brokered pay deal.
So the Roos will receive the No.3 overall pick as free agency compensation if McKay is offered a deal of just under $800,000 in guaranteed money instead of up to the $920,000 a year needed for free agents next October.

Chris Davies, GM of Football of the Power (left) and Brady Rawlings, GM of Football of the Kangaroos. Picture: Michael Willson
Under free agency rules a deal needs only be two years in length to trigger compensation.
So Essendon could offer Gresham a short-term deal of two or three years on just over $800,000 a season to secure first-round compensation for St Kilda.
Grossman said the rise of first-round picks being offered significant sums to sign their second contract had also seen more money paid to players in their third to fifth seasons.
It means there are less players on $800,000-plus in the industry, which helps maximise free agency compensation when offers are lodged exceeding that figure.

More Coverage​

Pies star requests trade after heartbreaking GF decision
Draft Watch: Latest combine results, Croft’s Dogs decision
“What we have seen in the last half dozen years is that the value of third, fourth and fifth year player contracts has increased a lot,” Grossman said.
“That sucks money out of the total player payments away from older players. So the value of salary that sits within the 25-and-plus-year cohort is lower on a relative basis. Which means the nominal value of a contract relative to that cohort is different over time.”
The league is assessing whether to tweak the free agency formula based on the number of years in a free agency contract to reflect the reality that a six-year deal is more valuable than a two-year deal.

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Post this on the Gresham thread and you will get banned for a week. It tells the truth about Gresham and Sheil.

 

[pebblesofsand]

My week long ban is over. Damn those Essendon mods dish them out quick. I can’t even say anything after reading pebbles receiving another ban straight away.

It was a wild ride reading along this week, Clarry, Butters, trading Phillipou for butters, hard rubbish with the talk of hard rubbish continuing of Rory Lobb* coming to the club.

Just keep an eye on your overall points.
Sun Ra is gone permanently just over a stupid joke he posted.

How do you check your points?

I got banned again today from the general Gresham trade thread.

No reason given, no notice, no message from the mod - nothing.

My crime this time - as far as I can see - was for pointing out that Tom Morris can't actually say its 100% certain that that Gresham will nominate Essendon when there are still unresolved issues with salary, compo and an ageing overpaid mid Essendon want to dump on us.

 

[gringo2011]

My blues mates are deliriously excited to see the back of him.

My brother and brother in law both patronisingly said that they like him but he'll suit us sort of shit. Not sad to see him go and glad he's getting another go somewhere. FFS, it's like they don't want to have their shit dog put down so dump him out at an uncles farm and hope he gets hit by the tractor to save them feeling like a campaigner.

 

[Joffaboy]

My blues mates are deliriously excited to see the back of him.

Thats your first problem, you have Carlton mates. Do you have no pride?

 

[Dard Ball Get]

My Nan’s grandson said you’re all room temp sooks

 

[crasha301]

Having someone like dow means someone like steele could have 4 weeks off when injured instead of running around on the park with one leg and one shoulder picking up 18 touches.

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[Mowman]

If Dow is depth he plays sub 15 games. I don't think that's happening.

If he plays 15 + means he is playing good football

 

[George]

If he plays 15 + means he is playing good football

People telling me we've got no mids in the seconds so it'd be hard to rate him if he's playing out of necessity.

 

[Joffaboy]

If he plays 15 + means he is playing good football

Sheil will keep him out

 

[bird_man]

Sounds like it's going to be a lot easier to reach band one compensation than most would think.

If you hand out a big contract knowing the CBA is going to rise it still factor's in what people were paid at the start of the year.

Good signs with us and Gresham

 

[Mowman]

People telling me we've got no mids in the seconds so it'd be hard to rate him if he's playing out of necessity.

If he plays rubbish RTB won’t pick him

 

[Ekomaira]

happy with Dow excited to see what he brings

 

[George]

If he plays rubbish RTB won’t pick him

Nobody to come in though apparently, no Bytel or Gresh. Dunno why we are petrified of bringing in talented mids through trade or draft lol, bizarre

 

[Joffaboy]

Sounds like it's going to be a lot easier to reach band one compensation than most would think.

If you hand out a big contract knowing the CBA is going to rise it still factor's in what people were paid at the start of the year.

Good signs with us and Gresham

Yes we may have lucked out with timing here.

 

[bird_man]

If Dow is depth he plays sub 15 games. I don't think that's happening.

No idea whether Dow will be playing more or less than 15 games. It might be Ross and Jones stuck in the VFL though?

It all depends on form doesn't it? I'd be surprised if Ross and SOS have told Dow how many games they will give him next year.

 

[Joffaboy]

If he plays rubbish RTB won’t pick him

But he picks Clark and people tell me he is no good. He loves Jones but people tell me he is no good.

 

[gringo2011]

Sounds like it's going to be a lot easier to reach band one compensation than most would think.

If you hand out a big contract knowing the CBA is going to rise it still factor's in what people were paid at the start of the year.

Good signs with us and Gresham

Trying to manufacture compo for North will get us a bit of something extra.

 

[George]

No idea whether Dow will be playing more or less than 15 games. It might be Ross and Jones stuck in the VFL though?

It all depends on form doesn't it? I'd be surprised if Ross and SOS have told Dow how many games they will give him next year.

If a player of his talent is playing regular senior football we are going nowhere. Yes, I don't think a coach will tell a player how many games they'll play in a season.

 

[Mowman]

People telling me we've got no mids in the seconds so it'd be hard to rate him if he's playing out of necessity.

Don’t worry about what people are telling you

Just pay attention to what I’m saying and you will learn something if you can keep up

 

[George]

Don’t worry about what about people are telling you

Just pay attention to what I’m saying and you will learn something if you can keep up

How's postcards going? Real big brain type stuff that is.