List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread II - Goldy&Bucket➡️✅/'24 EoFR & #44➡️Stephens&#25✅/#21&#25➡️Fisher&#17✅/'24 EoFR➡️#18✅

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Order

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Order, aka Future Picks

Spoiler: Blue Tick Rumours

 

[Passmore]

Maybe because I’m interested in American sports I find the best available trope baffling. If you have a good quarterback and the top of the draft is full of quarterbacks you trade down to create value in a position of need. We will end up having 30 top 10 draft picks on our list that are all mids or half forward flankers. I would love north to manufacture a pick in the 6-10 range to get one of the key position backs. I wouldn’t mind trading 3 for 6 and 11 and take both key backs.

You can't compare to NFL or NBA. They're men ready to go and plug in the position they played in college.



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[year of the roo]

You can't compare to NFL or NBA. They're men ready to go and plug in the position they played in college.



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Wouldn't mind tattooing this to the forehead of a few around here.

 

[zoomba23]

Maybe because I’m interested in American sports I find the best available trope baffling. If you have a good quarterback and the top of the draft is full of quarterbacks you trade down to create value in a position of need. We will end up having 30 top 10 draft picks on our list that are all mids or half forward flankers. I would love north to manufacture a pick in the 6-10 range to get one of the key position backs. I wouldn’t mind trading 3 for 6 and 11 and take both key backs.

To be honest, I don't reckon key backs are a priority for any team at the pointy end of the draft. Look at all the decent key backs in the league atm, and likewise all the good ones in the past. The common theme is that most of them are/were fairly late picks.

It feels to me that in regards to key defenders, clubs just say **** it and take a gamble on this bloke or that bloke later in drafts, in the hope the move comes off, rather than doing all the meticulous planning and game analysis that goes on in the top 10. Even Darcy Moore, at pick 8 or whatever, was drafted as a forward. So I doubt we have our eyes on the top rated key defenders in this crop.

The reason I want Reid is because he's very talented AND I can see him playing in defence for us. Two birds with one stone. Everyone else around the top 6 aside from Watson will be playing in a role with a ton of competition. In a cellar dweller team, that fact suggests a shit ton of imbalance

 

[Masked Avenger]

Draft is a month away so they have ample time to meet and evaluate, plus with live trading they can decide right up till the pick.

The big thing that's underrated though is the interview.

Sizing the player up face to face. Personality, attitude, maturity, leadership etc. Stuff that vision or Combine results can't show.

If you're in trade week and your WC - fielding offers etc on Pick 1.

You'd reckon they would want to know Reid to make an informed decision about keeping or parting with that pick.

Seems a no brainer to me to meet the kid by now.

 

[Harris 10]

I'm coming around to Duursma. Maybe it was his brother and or position (we don't need another mid/ forward) so I didn't look to hard into him.

Duursma looks like a gun. The marking, his balance and goal kicking are all elite. Don't mine the Burgoyne comparisons. If he can get the versatility that Burgoyne had (star in all 3 zones), Clarko would absolutely love him. I can see why the Hawks are unset.

The younger brother is looking like being a player as well.
Going to be a bit taller than Zane and Xavier.

 

[speedy]

Its funny, I think the only time bigfooty was unanimous in who we should select with an early pick was JHF.

 

[DuckYeah]

His ball drop is genuinely grim tbf

Spud kick of a footy. Spud kick at 18 will always be a spud kick

 

[discodaddy]

You only need to listen to their *ing whinging over the compo the last couple of days to see how self-entitled Hawks supporters and club are. They are spoilt. Their club has been pretty amazing, success wise, for like 6 decades.
Like most club's supporters, they are complete gold fish when it comes to assistance too. They got kissed on the dick to even get Buddy/Roughy combo in the first place, then they had others too didn't they? Jordan Lewis? Or someone else.
They were also one of the clubs offering BMac stupid money to join them, which ironically boosted the FA compo, but "wah wah wah....reasons"
Let's not even talk about the disgraceful racism investigation and how they handled that and were happy to throw a 4 time premiership coach under the bus. I've lost a lot of respect for Hawthorn over that and I held them in pretty high regard, if not begrudgingly.
They've shown their true colours as a club.

The Family Club. What bullshite, hey?

 

[kangaanth]

You can't compare to NFL or NBA. They're men ready to go and plug in the position they played in college.



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This isn’t close to the truth. Probably 75% of top 10 pick quarterbacks are busts.

 

[zoomba23]

Its funny, I think the only time bigfooty was unanimous in who we should select with an early pick was JHF.

Well we didn't have firsthand access to his personality, did we? In pure footy terms, it was a no-brainer

 

[year of the roo]

This isn’t close to the truth. Probably 75% of top 10 pick quarterbacks are busts.

No one cares.

 

[pupstar]

To be honest, I don't reckon key backs are a priority for any team at the pointy end of the draft. Look at all the decent key backs in the league atm, and likewise all the good ones in the past. The common theme is that most of them are/were fairly late picks.

It feels to me that in regards to key defenders, clubs just say * it and take a gamble on this bloke or that bloke later in drafts, in the hope the move comes off, rather than doing all the meticulous planning and game analysis that goes on in the top 10. Even Darcy Moore, at pick 8 or whatever, was drafted as a forward. So I doubt we have our eyes on the top rated key defenders in this crop.

The reason I want Reid is because he's very talented AND I can see him playing in defence for us. Two birds with one stone. Everyone else around the top 6 aside from Watson will be playing in a role with a ton of competition. In a cellar dweller team, that fact suggests a s**t ton of imbalance

There has been a key back over 195cm picked in the top 10 in at least the last 5 years.

 

[rooboy335]

Yep, he’s kicked 70 goals in his last 20 odd games of underage football going at almost 20 disposals a game in the process.

With all due respect to Zurhaar, PC, Ford - You are talking about a guy with as much natural talent as Sheezel and TT who has been spoken about in underage football for the last 4 years.

You don’t pass on goal kicking fwds/midfielders or midfielders with contest bursting pace.

No matter your list balance.

The melts are going to be massive on other club boards when we go small for the first two picks though

I get that he's quite a talent, but so are all the players in the top 5 of basically every draft. I mean besides your first paragraph regarding the goals (I think it's 71 goals from 31 games which is still very impressive), the rest of it reads as though it could apply to Watson.

Now why would we pick a phenomenal talent in a position we are stacked in when we could pick a phenomenal talent that also plays in a position of need? That's just my thinking.

I'm now off to binge Duursma highlight videos to prepare myself for when we inevitably pick him in a few weeks time.

 

[kangaanth]

No one cares.

I think AFL recruiters could learn a lot from a much more mature and professional recruiting system.

 

[ohmygewd]

This isn’t close to the truth. Probably 75% of top 10 pick quarterbacks are busts.

True but you cannot compare a QB to any position is the AFL at any level to be honest? So much expectation so the failure rate is so high and the NFL don't waste time discarding a player either.

 

[kangaanth]

There has been a key back over 195cm picked in the top 10 in at least the last 5 years

There has been a key back over 195cm picked in the top 10 in at least the last 5 years.

Weitering pick one, Steven May priority selection, Lever pick 14, Darcy Moore pick 9 Ben McKay pick 21 Sam Taylor pick 28. You still need to invest in quality key position players.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

189cm midfielder/forward.


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To be fair, for mine: Duursma, Sanders and Caddy have the best highlights for me.

 

[RHLK]

Still not in the top 20 dumbest TheWest pages

That's quite the hurdle.

 

[giantroo]

Reid spoke with the Eagles and North Melbourne, including coach Alastair Clarkson, among other clubs, at last week’s AFL Draft Combine in Melbourne.

The Kangaroos remain the club most likely to prise the top selection off West Coast, given they not only hold picks two and three, but also 15, 17 and 18. They will need to part with one of their top two picks, along with a suite of other selections, to appease the Eagles, who are yet to indicate their intentions.

Rival recruiters believe North are keen on Tasmanian dasher Colby McKercher and classy forward Zane Duursma with the earliest of their selections, while the Eagles would almost certainly prioritise local product Daniel Curtin if they hand over the No.1 pick. Hawthorn (fourth) and Western Bulldogs (fifth) will follow the Roos in the draft.

Melbourne, who have picks six and 13, are expected to make a play in the coming days to try to move ahead of the Bulldogs, with both clubs keen on gifted small forward Nick Watson.

The Demons are likely to make only three selections, including matching a bid on father-son prospect Kynan Brown, whose dad Nathan played 146 games for the club.

Pick swaps on the agenda as clubs target Harley Reid

Talented 18-year-old Harley Reid said he would be honoured to wear West Coast’s famous No.9, previously worn by Ben Cousins and Nic Naitanui, if he had the opportunity.

www.theage.com.au

 

[year of the roo]

I think AFL recruiters could learn a lot from a much more mature and professional recruiting system.

Whatever pal

 

[footy2016]

Zane Duursma is a 189 centimetre half forward flanker. We have 100 of those. There is absolutely zero chance we take Mckercher and duursma. Zero chance.

How many of those are high end talents and actually proven ‘good footballers ‘ ?

Can never have enough TALENTED forward of Centre players.

You take the best available players at picks 2/3, no brainer.

 

[DuckYeah]

I rate Duursma, Watson and Sanders ahead of McKercher. Come at me.

Aint comin at ya. I agree with ya. Mckercher is a zak merret that cant kick.

Curtin is the best player in the draft (available) he has a unique set of skills that is rarely seen and a point of difference. Not a midfielder, not a defender. A Utility. A Finelly skilled 195cm utility who can read play and use his feet. THATS THE PLAYER

 

[zoomba23]

There has been a key back over 195cm picked in the top 10 in at least the last 5 years.

Fair. I spose my point is that the best ones are often late picks. Probably said it poorly

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

The worst part about drafting Zane is he wants to play with his brother so we either lose him in a few years or even worse, Xavier comes to us

 

[Deleted member 98541]

WC could do 2 & 8 or 2 & 15, 17

Then split 2 again if they are targetting Curtin.