Rumour 2024 Hypothetical trade and FA Thread

[ahhhhhh]

I hope we never end up with this mindset. Parasitic.

Those meaningless wins at the end of the last three seasons have made us a ruthless team with an uncompromising culture. Oh, wait....

 

[HedgeFund]

did you miss the 4 other points raised above?

No it’s just the first one is correct.

As for the others:

Just because the Dogs are “a rabble” doesn’t make us a destination club.

He may not be as motivated by coin as you think

His knee recovery may not mean we peg him as our best or 2nd best mid were he to come across.

So other three points are very much debatable

 

[HedgeFund]

Every other league in the world would just laugh at the AFL.

Imagine in the NBA say only Californian & Texan teams having exclusive access to all draftees out of those states, but the other 23 teams need to rely solely on the draft.

Or in the Premier League where say only London clubs are exempt from FFP regulations but the other 13 teams have to abide by the primary method of equalisation.

The more I think about it the worse it gets.

Why are you comparing a national competition which is the clear universal #1 sport across the country when it’s played (NBA / EPL) to ours?

Don’t people understand that in NSW & Qld our sport is well and truly 2nd or 3rd behind the 2 rugby codes?

What code in the USA does basketball genuinely compete with for players / participation / popularity?


What code in England does soccer genuinely compete with for players / participation / popularity?

 

[fairdinks]

Its more an example of what we can do .

It forces the Dogs to keep him . It puts them under salary pressure and we can move to the next target .
Your killing two birds with one stone.

We should be aggressive in that space, its an asset we have over most clubs currently .

By the sounds of it we are being proactive and I'm all for that

so am I, however, I do worry about throwing money around recklessly just because we have some. Needs to be targeted and strategic.

I have visons of Llyod Christmas handling money.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I hope you are right FP.
But if we lose this week it's not going to be a long week but a very long year. Fingers crossed we smash the beggars and calm the sceptics.

The players have been hit between the eyes this week.

If we lose the reality of all the things that they’ve been told and asked to address this week will be stripped completely bare.

In all likelihood if we were to lose this game it would force players who think they’ve been getting by ok to really knuckle down, which may have a far greater influence on how we perform in a month or two’s time.

That’s not to say that I hope or think we will lose, but I think the fire that is being lit under them this week will truly intensify and elicit a response if they do lose - rather than have them just roll on and lose week on week.

 

[smish]

Why are you comparing a national competition which is the clear universal #1 sport across the country when it’s played (NBA / EPL) to ours?

Don’t people understand that in NSW & Qld our sport is well and truly 2nd or 3rd behind the 2 rugby codes?

What code in the USA does basketball genuinely compete with for players / participation / popularity?


What code in England does soccer genuinely compete with for players / participation / popularity?

Seriously?

My point is that no other professional league in the world would allow their primary method of equalisation (draft in NBA, FFP in EPL) to have one set of rules for one group of teams and another set of rules for another group, especially when it's in the league's best financial interests to do so.

The AFL are trying to increase participation rates (i.e. $$$) at the expense at the mere integrity of the competition as a whole. I don't give a **** about participation, call me old fashioned but I'd much prefer a fair playing field.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

What code in the USA does basketball genuinely compete with for players / participation / popularity?

The NBA can compete with the NFL and MLB for playing talent. Multiple players across history have been drafted by teams in two leagues. Yes, these days players will likely specialise but a lot of college athletes are adept at multiple sports so I dare say the leagues are doing what they can to influence the players one way or another.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

It forces the Dogs to keep him . It puts them under salary pressure and we can move to the next target .
Your killing two birds with one stone.

We should be aggressive in that space, its an asset we have over most clubs currently .

We have had 'THE WARCHEST!!!!' every god damn off-season since 2017 or so. It has so far yielded concurrent off-seasons of our primary targets signing elsewhere, often for lower money offers. Amon is the only one we have lured and apparently we had very little competition on that one. The big name players who are going to attract big signing attention no longer look for the biggest pay day - the look for success. Money will be left on the table if a player has a better chance at getting success elsewhere or where they are already. Unfortunately this isn't the 90s/00s anymore - there will absolutely be players we could lure by using money as a motivator - but it won't be the players who are also being pursued by clubs who are presently vying for a premiership or very close to vying for a premiership.

Our salary cap space will only be an advantage once pick purchasing comes into play - we need that more than anything.

 

[HedgeFund]

The NBA can compete with the NFL and MLB for playing talent. Multiple players across history have been drafted by teams in two leagues. Yes, these days players will likely specialise but a lot of college athletes are adept at multiple sports so I dare say the leagues are doing what they can to influence the players one way or another.

Point taken, but the college system provides a pathway for athletes of all codes and it’s very much even across the USA (except perhaps lacrosse according to one of my mates).

Plus their competition isn’t concentrated with 10 teams in a single state is it? There aren’t 10 clubs / franchises operating out of California and 8 others across the other 49 states.

Classic apples -v- oranges argument IMHO

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

Lukosis apparently gettable.

If he wants out I can see us targetting him. Beautiful kick of the ball.

 

[smish]

Lukosis apparently gettable.

If he wants out I can see us targetting him. Beautiful kick of the ball.

Gun. Source?

 

[matey]

From SA

 

[Lickmesocks]

Lukosis apparently gettable.

If he wants out I can see us targetting him. Beautiful kick of the ball.

This should say, “ a few clubs think he might be gettable because he is playing multiple positions and he wants to be a forward” according to Sam Edmund.

IF he was available at any stage Hawks better be all over this.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Lukosis apparently gettable.

If he wants out I can see us targetting him. Beautiful kick of the ball.

You'd be hoping there is no go-home factor then.

 

[RoughysMullet]

Just have to nail a key back and another key forward. I'm confident the midfield situation will resolve itself. Day and Newcombe are too good to let us be poor all year round. Expect Sam to be more involved in the contest work in the next few weeks.

Still feel like the midfield could do with more quality- it’s been exposed horribly so far this season…

Some leg speed would be nice - we seem a bit one paced atm.. Looking like we’ll get a top 5 pick which will be a midfielder - that will help things as long as we get the pick right…

 

[Flukey!]

Gee this trade Lewis topic has gathered steam .......all of the back of David King using Lewis as an example of what we may have to look at doing

Its just a discussion point. Like most stuff, it will propbably never come to fruition anyway.

I personally don't care if he goes or stays.
I just want our team to be better, faster. So whatever strategy aligns with that I am good with.

 

[Topiary]

Wasn’t pick purchasing just a whacky idea from Cal Twomey? I don’t get why it gets mentioned in this thread over and over.

I understand it is coming.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Wasn’t pick purchasing just a whacky idea from Cal Twomey? I don’t get why it gets mentioned in this thread over and over.

The AFL website has mentioned it multiple times in articles on the website. Feels like they are softening the ground for it.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Lukosis apparently gettable.

If he wants out I can see us targetting him. Beautiful kick of the ball.

He’s a bit soft

 

[nelk boys]

I understand it is coming.

Maybe not this year though.

 

[smish]

I understand it is coming.

This year?

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Talls drafted in the first round the last few years include...

Fisher McAsey (retired)
DGB (last season on our list?)
Zach Reid (handful of games in 4 years).
Jedd Busslinger (hasn't debuted)
Lewis Hayes (hasn't debuted)
Nate Caddy (hasn't debuted)
Josh Gibcus (injury prone)
Leek Aleer (who?)


This is what you risk giving up Mitch Lewis for.

Just too risky.

We need a KPF to pair with Lewis. Trading him out for cents on the dollar would set us back considerably.

Maybe if Rasmden and Dear were three or four more years into their development, and had proven they were big talents on the field then you'd consider it. But that's not the reality of the situation. We need Lewis, he's probably our most important player.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I’ll be interested to see if we look to get another mid in the 25-28 age group, for added leadership.

 

[Flukey!]

I’ll be interested to see if we look to get another mid in the 25-28 age group, for added leadership.

In addition to Bazalenka?

 

[Lickmesocks]

I’ll be interested to see if we look to get another mid in the 25-28 age group, for added leadership.

We need a Richy Vandenburg type to come in and shake things up, put the head down and lead the way and show a real hard edge to a midfield who are just being walked over at the minute like they would
prefer to be somewhere else.