Review Round 9, 2024 - Adelaide vs. Brisbane Lions

[On the quiet]

The worst thing about these footy shows is that they take a selective clip and drive a narrative that that's indicative of the whole game.

Then King says it all falls back on one player who just wants to be a hero and do his own thing or something like that. Well that was definitely not indicative of the whole game. In fact that was a misleading and dare I say nasty thing to say. Every chance to dig the boots into Joe they go for it.

As for the Jaspa thing King goes we could have generated 8 stoppages and just kept falling on the ball. Like Collingwood . With the ball 20 metres out and Oscar rucking ? We don't get the license to fall on the ball like Collingwood does.

Kingy is either stupid and non researched or just looking for a headline.

King seeks a headline. Not sure how much analysing he did post game, as he was on air just after an hour of the game finishing.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Haven't seen the game but looked at the stats - Berry 30 d 1 g and 6 c. Developing into a mid field beast by the looks. Also Lester on 11 d - doesn't look great but stats can be deceiving

 

[luthor]

King suggesting Charlie didn’t pass to Joe because he supposedly didn’t do the reverse earlier is just so ridiculous

Yeah, THAT is totally juvenile from King

Besides, David bloody King can't tell the difference between Joe shooting for goal on the run and him misdirecting an attempted pass to Charlie, which is what he was attempting to do..

King is an idiot.

 

[dlanod]

In psychology there is proof once a person is given a label their behaviour changes as well as those around them. e.g. a naughty child is told they have ADHD, real or not, the child has an excuse for their behaviour and can explain certain actions away as well as their parents change their behaviour as well and just accept certain behaviour, "oh yes that is just their ADHD". That doesn't mean the diagnosis isn't real, just like our injuries are not real, it's the change in behaviours and acceptance of those changes im against.

if the result of every game is, 'we were the underdogs given all the injuries we have', then we accept below standard performances and simply blame the injuries.

So I'm taking this from the point of view that we're a bunch of fans commenting on a sporting team. If we're projecting that we're in the inner sanctum of the club, it's a different story - I don't expect them to be using excuses or justifications. They need to get it going as best they can regardless of the difficulties, that's the point. It doesn't mean we, as external observers, need to put our own heads in the sand with regards to the reality of the situation - we're not the ones running out on to the field despite what some seem to think.

 

[On the quiet]

I was hoping Linc could be covered this year and I like the way Lohmann is going about it. I always thought Dizzy (playing forward) could be covered and whilst Morris did not get many disposals seems to have that forward instinct and kicked a couple.

The position we cannot cover fully is Coleman, but from the one Q he was on the field Brain IMO showed some class.

 

[dlanod]

The other thing that annoys me is that minor infringements pre and during marking contests get paid but your gun midfielders around a stoppage are fair game. You restrain someone by grabbing off the contest is a free is it not.

As long as you don't close your hand or knock a player over, anything goes. You can wrap your arms around them, push an arm across them, etc, all sorts of ways to infringe them that are actually illegal but umpires clearly never call.

 

[luthor]

I liked Jacks game and am a massive advocate for him but was pretty disappointed with his weak effort late against Walker which enabled him to put it on the boot and get it to Rankin to goal late in the goal square. Other than that, Jack is tracking really well for mine.

Two big men travelling at pace and Walker shoved him fair in the middle of the back over the boundary line. Virtually impossible for anyone to stop dead in their tracks, go back and somehow prevent someone of Walker's size getting free access to the pill.

At any other stage of the game at any other venue, it's a free kick

 

[Tom14]

He's just a mouthpiece for Champion Data most of the time. When he goes off-script is comedy time more often than not.

That all said, the amazing thing is that he's either right or wrong 100% of the time.

I gotta take the excuse to link this bit of Kingy genius again:

 

[twhowler]

Incredibly frustrating loss. Because on the whole we played pretty well, and were close to such a significant win - backs against the wall, tough venue, gets us a second win before two much easier games. And from 3 goals up, you should just get it done.

Maybe fatigue set in. Heck of a game last week. Morris seemed done at the end, Reville struggling to get on. So I'm not disappointed in the team (this week at least!) but the result.

Alas

THE GOOD

Hanging Tough - i thought a couple of times we would fall away, especially late in the third quarter. We hung tough, didn't lose spirit.

Twin Towers - Andrews and Payne were just superb in the air. If they can combine in that way - Payne on the best forward, Andrews intercept king - that bodes well for the next few years.

Berry - he kept it simple. Kicked a cracking goal. Worked his guts out. Still not amazing with the ball but his errors seem to hurt us a lot less when he is kicking it forward instead of sideways

Brain - just looked so assured. HTB against him was utterly absurd but he didn't let it bother him at all. Only a small glimpe but he looked borderline best 22 to me, am i over-doing it?

THE BAD

Sub - still don't get having Brain as sub. Prior has hardly been setting the world on fire. Seemed to be like conservative match committee not wanting another debutante.

Those Moments - 2 (?) of Payne's kicks. Harris in slo-mo. Letting the goal out the back after being 3 up. We just needed to hold that lead for a couple of minutes. So disappointing.

Zorko Kick - wasn't great. The lead-up is what bothered we. We spent 2 mins just nobody running, no options, slowly got hemmed in. Seems to happen in away games. Becomes a group mentality.

THE UGLY

McKenna - not a pot at him, i am sure he is trying. He was just woeful yesterday. Kept panicking. I get having a slow start, but he has been back for a few games now, was great last week, so what yesterday was i don't know. If we have any selection integrity he goes back to the 2s. it's as simple as that.

Rayner and Hipwood set shots - both at moments we were really getting on top. Hipwood took a cracking mark for one of them too. 2 contested marks in 1 minute and misses both shots. we could have gone 3-4 goals up. The set shots have just been so bad this year.

The Hope - it's the hope that kills ya.

THE GLASS-HALF FULL I AM ALLOWING MYSELF

If we play that level of footy for the next four games, we are every chance to go to 7 wins, 5 losses, 1 draw. Would be in the 8 i suspect.

It's a pretty even year. The swans clearly the best side right now, but we are not talking Tigers of 19, Cats of 22.

Looking at our outs from ACLs (as in who won't come back in this year)

OUT Gardiner IN Morris. Lad is very young. But much more of a natural forward. Doesn't seem a major downgrade

OUT Coleman IN Zorko. Gee Kiddy is such a jet. But Zorko has been excellent. Not the same level but he is fitter. So it's a downgrade obviously but not as big as i first thought

OUT McCarthy IN Ah Chee. Yes yes one swallow does not a summer make. But could this really be the making of Ah Chee, just gets one role for the rest of the year. He has such good hands and a good shot at goal.

OUT Doedee IN well nobody really given he hasn't played a game, maybe the answer is Lester?

So theoretically at least our ACL victims can be replaced, although Kiddy is the closest to a unique player on that list.

The caveat is that any more injuries are going to be harder to cover because we are already 4 down on depth. So if we can keep healthy from HERE, which includes getting back Bailey, Starcevich and Ashcroft i think we would have the squad that would still be one of the best 5-6 in the comp, providing we have form and confidence.

The biggest X factor is Ashcroft. Does he take long to get back to form? And what level does he get back to this year? Our midfield is crying out for him.

 

[M Malice]

Incredibly frustrating loss. Because on the whole we played pretty well, and were close to such a significant win - backs against the wall, tough venue, gets us a second win before two much easier games. And from 3 goals up, you should just get it done.

Maybe fatigue set in. Heck of a game last week. Morris seemed done at the end, Reville struggling to get on. So I'm not disappointed in the team (this week at least!) but the result.

Alas

THE GOOD

Hanging Tough - i thought a couple of times we would fall away, especially late in the third quarter. We hung tough, didn't lose spirit.

Twin Towers - Andrews and Payne were just superb in the air. If they can combine in that way - Payne on the best forward, Andrews intercept king - that bodes well for the next few years.

Berry - he kept it simple. Kicked a cracking goal. Worked his guts out. Still not amazing with the ball but his errors seem to hurt us a lot less when he is kicking it forward instead of sideways

Brain - just looked so assured. HTB against him was utterly absurd but he didn't let it bother him at all. Only a small glimpe but he looked borderline best 22 to me, am i over-doing it?

THE BAD

Sub - still don't get having Brain as sub. Prior has hardly been setting the world on fire. Seemed to be like conservative match committee not wanting another debutante.

Those Moments - 2 (?) of Payne's kicks. Harris in slo-mo. Letting the goal out the back after being 3 up. We just needed to hold that lead for a couple of minutes. So disappointing.

Zorko Kick - wasn't great. The lead-up is what bothered we. We spent 2 mins just nobody running, no options, slowly got hemmed in. Seems to happen in away games. Becomes a group mentality.

THE UGLY

McKenna - not a pot at him, i am sure he is trying. He was just woeful yesterday. Kept panicking. I get having a slow start, but he has been back for a few games now, was great last week, so what yesterday was i don't know. If we have any selection integrity he goes back to the 2s. it's as simple as that.

Rayner and Hipwood set shots - both at moments we were really getting on top. Hipwood took a cracking mark for one of them too. 2 contested marks in 1 minute and misses both shots. we could have gone 3-4 goals up. The set shots have just been so bad this year.

The Hope - it's the hope that kills ya.

THE GLASS-HALF FULL I AM ALLOWING MYSELF

If we play that level of footy for the next four games, we are every chance to go to 7 wins, 5 losses, 1 draw. Would be in the 8 i suspect.

It's a pretty even year. The swans clearly the best side right now, but we are not talking Tigers of 19, Cats of 22.

Looking at our outs from ACLs (as in who won't come back in this year)

OUT Gardiner IN Morris. Lad is very young. But much more of a natural forward. Doesn't seem a major downgrade

OUT Coleman IN Zorko. Gee Kiddy is such a jet. But Zorko has been excellent. Not the same level but he is fitter. So it's a downgrade obviously but not as big as i first thought

OUT McCarthy IN Ah Chee. Yes yes one swallow does not a summer make. But could this really be the making of Ah Chee, just gets one role for the rest of the year. He has such good hands and a good shot at goal.

OUT Doedee IN well nobody really given he hasn't played a game, maybe the answer is Lester?

So theoretically at least our ACL victims can be replaced, although Kiddy is the closest to a unique player on that list.

The caveat is that any more injuries are going to be harder to cover because we are already 4 down on depth. So if we can keep healthy from HERE, which includes getting back Bailey, Starcevich and Ashcroft i think we would have the squad that would still be one of the best 5-6 in the comp, providing we have form and confidence.

The biggest X factor is Ashcroft. Does he take long to get back to form? And what level does he get back to this year? Our midfield is crying out for him.

I think Will Ashcroft will click into very good form rapidly, he would have been ultra professional with his diligence to the rehab process... he will be firing on all 8 cylinders come finals.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Reading the Crows board it seems that Nicks is despised almost as much as Hinkley.

 

[KissKiss]

Wonder why we subbed Prior then if Reville was struggling to run the game out. Could’ve moved Prior to the wing

I'm not sold on prior. Seems to be a step or three out of sync.

I wasnt sure with Prior as he wasnt shown on tv much at all. He would have been one of my options to sub but it did seem weird later when as others said Bruce and Morris looked very tired. Prior you would have thought could have moved to the wing easier - but noting he didnt look in sync was the same. He just doesnt seem to line up with what other players are about to do well

 

[KissKiss]

Haven't seen the game but looked at the stats - Berry 30 d 1 g and 6 c. Developing into a mid field beast by the looks. Also Lester on 11 d - doesn't look great but stats can be deceiving

Has nothing to do with how often Lester got the ball (its one of the least relevant measures for a key defender) but what happens while defending. Lester got beaten way too often by Fogerty, who played a really good game. It was a poor game by Lester (which doesnt happen often) and shows why he is a concern against the biggest stronger players if Andrews/Payne are missing.

 

[Jim Stynes11]

I liked Jacks game and am a massive advocate for him but was pretty disappointed with his weak effort late against Walker which enabled him to put it on the boot and get it to Rankin to goal late in the goal square. Other than that, Jack is tracking really well for mine.

am I the only one that thought that was a clear push in the back?

 

[KissKiss]

One other factor, which might be more interesting in the wing count thread, was the use of Bruce and Hipwood at secondary bounces after a centre stoppage. At the bounce Bruce would be on the wing, but then at the second bounce Hipwood moved to the wing spot while Bruce was moving to be a spare at the back of the contest. Was clearly a set play that we were looking for and I dont think I have seen it much before this week

 

[notliondown]

Now the frustration of a draw has died down a little bit I'm actually pretty happy with that result really. The frustration was more from what could of been rather than we should have.

The young guys did everything they were asked - Brain looks good straight up - and will be better for the exposure. You can't match game time to get up to speed both physically and mentally for all of the newbies.

Berry was huge and it's good to see him get reward for effort. Ah Chee... was his best game all year. McMorris and Kai both had some good moments up forward. Prior was disappointing but... Answorth takes his place no question.

There's some seniors that really need to ask themselves what they bring to the team at the moment. And if they are actually committed to improving it and themselves. If this year is to be a write off maybe they need a little help looking in the mirror.

 

[dlanod]

THE BAD

Sub - still don't get having Brain as sub. Prior has hardly been setting the world on fire. Seemed to be like conservative match committee not wanting another debutante.

I think was "respecting the experience" - you don't know how the newbie will adapt to AFL, and historically Prior has been reliable if uninspiring. After seeing Brain have more impact on a quarter than Prior in three, I hope enough has been seen and we correct that heading forward.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I gotta take the excuse to link this bit of Kingy genius again:

I'm glad someone got my satire.

 

[dlanod]

am I the only one that thought that was a clear push in the back?

About 17 of us thought the same thing in the game thread.

 

[Jim Stynes11]

About 17 of us thought the same thing in the game thread.

I no longer venture into that shadowy place!

 

[CarterS]

Is it just me or has Fox Footy posted this King/Daniher stuff half a dozen times on their socials today? Give it a rest. It's just so odd that he's watched the game and that was the main takeaway he got. People who don't follow Brisbane and don't pay close attention just assume he's right and it perpetuates the myth that he's selfish.

Get ready for a week of talking points. What's next? Oh there's a riff between Charlie and Joe. Charlie is going to leave. Essendon targeting Charlie. Someone went through 5 years of tapes and counted how many times they did or didn't pass to each other. That's all coming. I understand why Joe doesn't own a TV.

 

[Clarkythelion]

So I'm taking this from the point of view that we're a bunch of fans commenting on a sporting team. If we're projecting that we're in the inner sanctum of the club, it's a different story - I don't expect them to be using excuses or justifications. They need to get it going as best they can regardless of the difficulties, that's the point. It doesn't mean we, as external observers, need to put our own heads in the sand with regards to the reality of the situation - we're not the ones running out on to the field despite what some seem to think.

your always right

 

[CarterS]

Perhaps they should show more of any of our players allowing Dawson to literally run amok in that last quarter. I watched the last quarter again at lunch and some of the efforts by our senior players against him was embarrassing. I couldn’t help watching it that it was more a loss than anything else and in my view saying otherwise is just making excuses, which I’ve seen many on here and Lions FB pages today.

Yes if you are looking at it critically you could build an argument that we should have won considering we were up by 3 goals with 10 minutes left you'd hope to win more than not from that position.

But it wasn't a loss because we didn't lose.

I'd also say that to get into that position in the first place showed a fair bit of guts considering we had a young team playing away against an Adelaide team (that went into the game as favourites), that had 3 extra days rest, playing in front of a full house, coming home with a wet sail, very much a momentum team.

Take the + with the -.

 

[braddsey]

Those Moments - 2 (?) of Payne's kicks. Harris in slo-mo. Letting the goal out the back after being 3 up. We just needed to hold that lead for a couple of minutes. So disappointing.

Just to pick on one of your many points (which I don't necessarily disagree with)... we were 3 goals up at the 12.41 mark of the final quarter and held that 3 goal lead for about 1 minute. A team (and particularly our team) can't defend a 3-goal lead for 20 minutes. It's often said that the modern game moves so much on momentum and you can see this in the worm from halfway through the 2nd quarter.

• The crows kicked 5 goals to 1 goal for the next 30ish minutes of game play
• We then gained the momentum and kicked 5 goals to none in the next 15 minutes
• Crows swung it back again and kicked 4 goals straight to none.
• Both clubs kicked the same number of behinds.

For me once we were down a goal 25 minutes into the last quarter with the Crows on the run, we did well to arrest the run and get one back. from there, it could have gone either way... think back to round-1.

 

[twhowler]

I think was "respecting the experience" - you don't know how the newbie will adapt to AFL, and historically Prior has been reliable if uninspiring. After seeing Brain have more impact on a quarter than Prior in three, I hope enough has been seen and we correct that heading forward.

Yeah fair point. Easy playing Monday Quarterback i guess! we need an australian term for that

To be fair to me i was keen on Brain over Prior pre game, but then i am not the closest of the ressies watchers at all, it was more from reading reports and thinking he would be better suited to their smalls, not to mention the energy of a debut was clear from the week before!

As you say surely Brain plays next week. It should be a good game for the younger blokes (jinx) and then one more before the bye and a chance to re-set.

I do hope we go on merit from here in terms of who is in / out. I mean Bailey is obviously a lock. Starcevich is too. But we need to be picking the newbies if they have earned it. McKenna is an obvious candidate to go out from the weekend. Rayner should not be invincible (although i still like what he brings and think he is mis-used). Even Fletcher, who is young himself, could do with being managed, he seems to have some very down games. And i have no idea if Berry is more sore some weeks vs others, but given the gap between his good and bad games if he does get quite sore one week again we should look at a rest.

Fages is using the squad involuntarily, let's see if he does once players are back!