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Purple7x08_24
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How does that relate to Connor Rozee?
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Purple7x08_24
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Legit? were you representing as a Geelong supporter?
Nah I just wanted to join in the Rozee love fest, but ArdentEagle has dibs anyway.
Purple7x08_24
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Well **** me. I had no idea Charlie Ballard went to same college as Kane Cornes
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Can someone please add Jeff Garlett to my team?
Jeff Garlett was a standout AFL player known for his electrifying presence and unique contributions to the game. Here’s why he is celebrated as an amazing player:
1. Explosive Speed and Agility: Garlett’s speed was one of his defining attributes. His quick bursts allowed him to evade defenders, make incisive runs, and create scoring opportunities. His agility complemented his speed, enabling him to maneuver around opponents with exceptional finesse.
2. Goal-Scoring Prowess: As a forward, Garlett had a natural talent for finding the goal. His ability to convert scoring chances with accuracy made him a dangerous player in the forward line. He had a knack for positioning himself well and capitalizing on opportunities, often turning the game with crucial goals.
3. Dynamic Playmaker: Garlett wasn’t just a goal-kicker; he was also a dynamic playmaker. His quick hands and sharp footballing instincts allowed him to set up scoring opportunities for his teammates. His vision and creativity on the field made him a valuable asset in generating attacking plays.
4. Consistent Performer: Throughout his career, Garlett demonstrated a high level of consistency. His ability to maintain form over the course of seasons showed his dedication and skill. His reliability in critical moments made him a key player for his teams, contributing significantly to their success.
5. Resilience and Work Ethic: Garlett’s career is also a testament to his resilience and work ethic. Overcoming challenges and adapting to various roles within the team highlighted his commitment to the sport and his ability to continually evolve as a player.
6. Impact on the Game: Garlett’s influence extended beyond just his individual performances. His presence on the field brought a sense of excitement and unpredictability, often sparking momentum shifts and energizing both his team and the fans.
7. Fan Favorite: Garlett's style of play and charismatic personality made him a fan favorite. His flair and enthusiasm on the field resonated with supporters, and his ability to perform in high-pressure situations endeared him to the crowd.
8. Tackling Machine: Garlett love to tackle and is a true personification of a pressure forward. He had the abilty to make those around him play to a higher level.
In summary, Jeff Garlett’s explosive speed, goal-scoring ability, dynamic playmaking, consistency, resilience, impact on the game, and fan appeal mark him as an exceptional AFL player. His contributions to the sport were both memorable and influential, making him a standout figure in Australian rules football.
Jeff Garlett was a standout AFL player known for his electrifying presence and unique contributions to the game. Here’s why he is celebrated as an amazing player:
1. Explosive Speed and Agility: Garlett’s speed was one of his defining attributes. His quick bursts allowed him to evade defenders, make incisive runs, and create scoring opportunities. His agility complemented his speed, enabling him to maneuver around opponents with exceptional finesse.
2. Goal-Scoring Prowess: As a forward, Garlett had a natural talent for finding the goal. His ability to convert scoring chances with accuracy made him a dangerous player in the forward line. He had a knack for positioning himself well and capitalizing on opportunities, often turning the game with crucial goals.
3. Dynamic Playmaker: Garlett wasn’t just a goal-kicker; he was also a dynamic playmaker. His quick hands and sharp footballing instincts allowed him to set up scoring opportunities for his teammates. His vision and creativity on the field made him a valuable asset in generating attacking plays.
4. Consistent Performer: Throughout his career, Garlett demonstrated a high level of consistency. His ability to maintain form over the course of seasons showed his dedication and skill. His reliability in critical moments made him a key player for his teams, contributing significantly to their success.
5. Resilience and Work Ethic: Garlett’s career is also a testament to his resilience and work ethic. Overcoming challenges and adapting to various roles within the team highlighted his commitment to the sport and his ability to continually evolve as a player.
6. Impact on the Game: Garlett’s influence extended beyond just his individual performances. His presence on the field brought a sense of excitement and unpredictability, often sparking momentum shifts and energizing both his team and the fans.
7. Fan Favorite: Garlett's style of play and charismatic personality made him a fan favorite. His flair and enthusiasm on the field resonated with supporters, and his ability to perform in high-pressure situations endeared him to the crowd.
8. Tackling Machine: Garlett love to tackle and is a true personification of a pressure forward. He had the abilty to make those around him play to a higher level.
In summary, Jeff Garlett’s explosive speed, goal-scoring ability, dynamic playmaking, consistency, resilience, impact on the game, and fan appeal mark him as an exceptional AFL player. His contributions to the sport were both memorable and influential, making him a standout figure in Australian rules football.
I considered similar with Darling, as Pav-Hogan-Darling would be considered a very dangerous trio of tall forwards. With enough mobility to stop the forward line being too stodgy.
In the end the idea just didn't excite me as much as picking some favourites in other positions, knowing Darling would go eventually. I'm also a bit more in the "small ball" camp rather than trying to create Land of the Giants as a strategy. When we get to the last few picks I could fill things out with some height, but focussing on other attributes has been more fun for me so far.
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Jeez guys. No need to be so harsh on my selection.
You don't see me picking out all the weaknesses I can think of for your picks.
You're acting like I picked Gaff in the top 10 and not 200 something.
I mean Jack Crisp was taken right before Simon Black and Ben Cousins and not a word but the critique of selecting Gaff at pick 213?
"Butcher", "can't kick over a jam tin", "worse than Brad Hill" (Comparisons to Dangerfield and Gulden, who both went over 140 picks ago).
I feel like his best has been forgotten somewhat.
He has finished top 5 in the Brownlow. He has won his side's best and fairest. He has finished top 5 in the Coaches Votes. He has been top 12 in the Brownlow 2 more times. He made the AA team twice and the squad 3 more times. He copped dedicated tags.
Some of the comments would suggest that all of the coaches, the umpires, the AA selectors, the media all don't know what they're talking about.
Worse than Brad Hill? Brad Hill is a Hawthorn triple premiership player that I love but Brad has never been close to an AA squad. Never been top 30 in the Coaches award, Brownlow or anything else.
Yes, Gaff was a more of an accumulator who ran hard to get the ball a lot but his score involvements are as high or higher than nearly all of the wingers he has been compared to in this discussion. Who cares if it is proportionally less? That would be like arguing that 5 disposals at 100% is better than 20 @ 90%. I've heard the same arguments made against Dane Swan (poor user, etc) but like Swan, if you are getting the ball as much as he does, even if your use is proportionally a bit lower, your total effective kicks/score involvements/etc are still going to be as high as your counterparts that can't get it as much as you do (yes, the death by 1000 cuts analogy is a good one).
P.S I was intending to pick Gulden and tried to pick (and then trade for) Josh Kelly for the wing - both exceptional users but they were both gone and I am comfortable that Gaff was the best winger remaining at my choice in the draft.
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Purple7x08_24
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As I said earlier, I would have been comfortable picking him by pick 100.
We're approaching the slow recruiters so if you got time, come to my thread that I created for a bit of fun.
I need to do some recruiting, it's not going well for me.
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If I thought you'd take it personally I wouldn't have posted. Merely a defence on why I or others personally took a different view on who to choose on the wing - and only in response to the implication that it was a shock not to take him. A fair bit of what I argued was definition as far as "pure wingman" or not, which wasn't even a slight on the player - merely that it could be tricky to compare certain stats to players who spent even less time on the inside. Brownlow and coaches votes will always favour those who spend more time at stoppages and getting clearances also. As far as being a wingman, he was one who spent more time in the nitty gritty action zone than an Andrew Embley.
It's a small thing but even Wiki has Gaff as a midfielder and Embley/B.Hill as "wingmen". It's fine to have hybrids on the wing - I have Hannebery - but they are competing with midfielders more than the pure wingmen in statistical discussions, I'd say.
I'm fine with Gaff's stengths and plusses, but justified what put me off him in a line ball type of decision.
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I went through the list last night and thought about the picks that went early (IMO) and picks that I thought went late. It's all subjective and people see different things in players that others don't. I snapped up Hurn early and people said it was too soon but I saw the need for his leadership and his play making from full back.
I'm not sure how many people had Adam Simpson but now I know I got him at the right time.
Personally I thought Rance, and Scarlett were taken slightly too soon but on revisiting I understand everyone has different strategies. When you nail your two defenders from the start when everyone's targeting forwards you're setting up your defence early.
Maybe I see more in Sloane than others but with all of his attributes, I can't fathom how he was ignored through to my pick in the 200s. Surely he was a prime midfielder to be snapped up between 130-170. Heeney went way late. I thought I got Butters and Serong at the right time. Given Daicos and Darcy had already been taken and Rozee was taken they wouldn't have lasted long.
Yep all true. I think we've all gotten to the stage of picks where everyone feels compelled to say "well how on Earth did this player slip this far? Look at these accolades..." which is fair enough but everyone had a million different priorities and stacks upon stacks of quality players to choose from - especially for midfielders. Not all of them could be taken early. So the statement only makes sense if you are directly saying which players went earlier who should have slid instead, and address why the person who took said player that early made a mistake.
If 18 people "overlooked" a player for x amount of time they had their reasons. It doesn't mean they are disrespecting the player they might have been hoping to get later, or already had their position covered for.
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Fair enough. I never suggested it was a shock he wasn't taken. In fact, I said that I thought his recent years means his peak form gets undersold a little (given the strength of his resume). Then people go on (to almost prove that point) to say that Brad Hill is a better wing and that Gaff can't kick over a jam tin which I think is a little (or a lot) too far the other way.
Even the 'total score involvements' stat is a little misleading as he is ahead of the players he was compared to in those areas. Brad Hill was never near the top 100. Isaac Smith never higher than those placings for Gaff either I don't think? Nor was Duncan (who was/is a beautiful user) and the stats weren't available for Embley. Deledio comparisons didn't make a lot of sense as Deledio was not really a winger and spent considerable time resting forward.
Happy to have discussion on the players chosen of course but it seemed to snowball pretty quickly so wanted to make counter points on the criticisms that probably went a bit too far. I don't think anyone was critical of you choosing Embley by the way. Another good topline wing. Different to Gaff - but around the same level. I prefer Gaff personally but both are clearly well ahead of Brad Hill.
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I've got some past player I want to pick but it's hard to remember their true role.
A lot are hybrid from memory.
A lot are hybrid from memory.
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Definitely agree with all of that. I haven't actually said "how did so and so slip so far" in any of my posts. I have been justifying why I chose them by listing their accolades/strengths.
As I mentioned earlier, I'm often choosing players that aren't universally considered top liners - players that people often forget about or dismiss based on a perceived weakness (such as Gaff). So when I'm making a selection - like Sam Fisher, Matthew Boyd, Phil Matera or Andrew Gaff, I'm including my justification or reminding people of the strong resumes that these 'unfashionable' or more forgotten players hold. (In most cases, I've had the option of selecting a player that I know is more 'popular')
Didn't really do it as much for someone like Toby Greene as everyone agrees he is a gun.
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Such is the evolution of the game,
Yeah no worries, countering is fine and expected - I didn't talk about Gaff's strengths as you already covered them so my justification for him sliding was always going to appear an "attack", but wasn't meant to.
With Gaff and SI's it was more in relation to per disposal. As he could be getting say 30-40% more of the ball than some "pure" wingmen, but that didn't necessarily translate to more scores.
As an example in 2017 during his peak he was 11th for disposals but 123rd for SIs per game. The same year Duncan actually spent some more time around stoppages than he did in other years (so hybrid rather than pure wingman). His stats? 15th for disposals and 27th for SIs. Obviously I don't have the stats for Embley but I felt he was closer to Duncan than Gaff for disposal quality.
I.Smith in 2015: 61st for disposals and 19th for SIs! While only getting 1.6 clearances a game so really very much on the outside - compared to Gaff 2015-2018 who was a 2.75 clearance a game player.
Anyway these were just some of the things I considered.
