St Kilda President Andrew Bassat tees off on the AFL draft system, specifically father/son and the Northern Academies

[Nvent]

He was a father son option for NM and Brisbane. He opted for the Swans via the academy instead.

Shouldn't have been an option.

 

[Saints43]

Financially strong clubs don’t get a benefit that isn’t of their own merit....

Do you think Carlton & Essendon receiving blockbuster scheduling and the associated funding and marketability that comes with that, across the past quarter of a century is a benefit of their own merit? Even in their poorest onfield periods they retained this benefit.
Some of the worst teams in football opened the season for 13 years.
It's cronyism. But there's always those who stand back and admire.

 

[Saints43]

Just ship Stkilda off to the VFL

I only know of two teams that were shipped off. Yours and the lions.

 

[iameviljez]

Alot of us have been complaining about father sons since Hawkins was drafted, and considering we have lost our last two premierships to two teams littered with talented father sons

In fairness, it was Hawkins being drafted that introduced the bid system.

Clubs started to get a bit smarter, and realised that if they had sole access to a certain player, it was in their absolute best interests to give that player a head start before they actually turned 18.

 

[LordLucifer]

Honestly just remove the salary cap. I'm over this bullshit system where they prop up the northern based clubs so they can match it with the other power clubs.

Remove the cap. Let the pies and wce go at it for a decade. Let's see how their precious plastic Northern clubs go after a decade of that.

Rather convenient thought after your club wants to offer a GWS player $5mill to jump ship after he has only played 12-games in his career.


“St Kilda among other clubs (will be wondering) how can they pry Leek Aleer out of the Giants, and if they do, what’s he worth? Because I actually think that his price will skyrocket next year.

“The Saints saying to him ‘we are prepared to offer you six years at $800,000-ish’ — that’s his price — that’s a $4.8 million deal that they’ve said ‘we’re prepared to offer you’.

‘Watch for this in 12 months’: Near-$5m offer for 12-gamer; Bombers gun being lured interstate — Trade Whispers

‘Watch for this’: Near-$5m offer for 12-gamer; Bombers gun being lured interstate — Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

But don't forget, its only the F/S & draft that is wrong according to the Saints Pres !!

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Chose to play VFL over AFL at St Kilda getting paid 5 Mil

Interesting decision by Aleer

 

[Dogflogger]

In fairness, it was Hawkins being drafted that introduced the bid system.

Clubs started to get a bit smarter, and realised that if they had sole access to a certain player, it was in their absolute best interests to give that player a head start before they actually turned 18.

yeah you often cast a wider net on draft day if you have a father son come along, with the added benefit of one of them kinda loving the club already not massively different to academy really.

 

[werdna78]

He was a father son option for NM and Brisbane. He opted for the Swans via the academy instead.

Which is what Cooper Hodge may do. Wait for the whinging about that if it comes to pass.

 

[werdna78]

Rather convenient thought after your club wants to offer a GWS player $5mill to jump ship after he has only played 12-games in his career.


“St Kilda among other clubs (will be wondering) how can they pry Leek Aleer out of the Giants, and if they do, what’s he worth? Because I actually think that his price will skyrocket next year.

“The Saints saying to him ‘we are prepared to offer you six years at $800,000-ish’ — that’s his price — that’s a $4.8 million deal that they’ve said ‘we’re prepared to offer you’.

‘Watch for this in 12 months’: Near-$5m offer for 12-gamer; Bombers gun being lured interstate — Trade Whispers

‘Watch for this’: Near-$5m offer for 12-gamer; Bombers gun being lured interstate — Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

But don't forget, its only the F/S & draft that is wrong according to the Saints Pres !!

And remember the Saints were into Ben King after the Gold Coast drafted him.

"See you in 2 years Ben, come play with your brother"

And people wonder why Gold Coast are investing heavily in their academy.

 

[GenericUsername202]

Hmmm says the supporter of the club that used to be Fitzroy. #irony

Brisbane lions was never fitzroy. So nice try.

 

[Elixuh]

Rather convenient thought after your club wants to offer a GWS player $5mill to jump ship after he has only played 12-games in his career.


“St Kilda among other clubs (will be wondering) how can they pry Leek Aleer out of the Giants, and if they do, what’s he worth? Because I actually think that his price will skyrocket next year.

“The Saints saying to him ‘we are prepared to offer you six years at $800,000-ish’ — that’s his price — that’s a $4.8 million deal that they’ve said ‘we’re prepared to offer you’.

‘Watch for this in 12 months’: Near-$5m offer for 12-gamer; Bombers gun being lured interstate — Trade Whispers

‘Watch for this’: Near-$5m offer for 12-gamer; Bombers gun being lured interstate — Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

But don't forget, its only the F/S & draft that is wrong according to the Saints Pres !!

I don’t get your point here. St Kilda are offering 12 gamers A-grader money. They have to be struggling to spend the cap based on the squad they roll out every week.

 

[Elixuh]

Alot of us have been complaining about father sons since Hawkins was drafted, and considering we have lost our last two premierships to two teams littered with talented father sons i think saints fans have a fair gripe considering we have only seen one father son for 9 games in the last 30 odd years. I know its all luck and by the time i'm 80 it might be our turn but lets not pretend its making no difference for these teams or that we are only now annoyed once Brisbane got some.

Of course they are. But you either like the rule or you don’t.

I’ve always liked the rule despite my team not being advantaged until very recently and losing a GF to a team of high F/S picks.

The comments about the academies are ludicrous. We are assisting the competition as much as VFL club supporters want to chug their own clubs’ VFL rhetoric.

 

[werdna78]

Of course they are. But you either like the rule or you don’t.

I’ve always liked the rule despite my team not being advantaged until very recently and losing a GF to a team of high F/S picks.

The comments about the academies are ludicrous. We are assisting the competition as much as VFL club supporters want to chug their own clubs’ VFL rhetoric.

The more academy players we produce. The less talent drain away from Victoria.

 

[The Jack]

Brisbane lions was never fitzroy. So nice try.

 

[GenericUsername202]

You do realise that Brisbane lions are the brisbane bears, right? We didn't used to be Fitzroy because both Fitzroy and Brisbane bears were in the same competition at once. We're not Sydney where South Melbourne relocated. We absorbed Fitzroy, but we used to be the Brisbane bears. Huge difference.

 

[Cool Kangas]

Brisbane lions was never fitzroy. So nice try.

Oh do let all the previous roys fans know that then.

 

[Cool Kangas]

You do realise that Brisbane lions are the brisbane bears, right? We didn't used to be Fitzroy because both Fitzroy and Brisbane bears were in the same competition at once. We're not Sydney where South Melbourne relocated. We absorbed Fitzroy, but we used to be the Brisbane bears. Huge difference.

Again pls let the Roys fans know their club was just “absorbed”

 

[The Jack]

You do realise that Brisbane lions are the brisbane bears, right? We didn't used to be Fitzroy because both Fitzroy and Brisbane bears were in the same competition at once. We're not Sydney where South Melbourne relocated. We absorbed Fitzroy, but we used to be the Brisbane bears. Huge difference.

OK
You are a merged entity of 2 former clubs. One of which was Fitzroy.

"Fitzroy's administrator Michael Brennan favored a merger with Brisbane, which was endorsed by the AFL Commission and the other club presidents on 4th July 19964. This merger of the club operations of Fitzroy and the Brisbane Bears at the AFL level, formed the Brisbane Lions."

 

[Silkie]

A couple of real rocket scientists in here.

Amazingly, some of you still haven't bothered to watch the full speech. You know that Bassat admits our lack of success is our own fault right? Or is this minimal level of nuance too difficult for you to understand?

Then there's those who support clubs who have benefitted most from the current system. A bit of self awareness wouldn't go astray. It is amateurish that the premiers will get the best player in the draft for essentially free. There is no argument against this.

Then there's those who would actually benefit from a system change (like Richmond who are going to miss out on the best player in the draft), who are piling on because hur dur st kilda bad hahahaha. Talk about mob mentality.

Maybe the smartest bloke in here though is the one day old Brisbane Lions account claiming that the Brisbane Lions were never Fitzroy. Either a wonderful troll or the next NASA physicist.

Time to use some critical thinking. I know it's been a while for most of you. But if you want a fair competition then the fully compromised draft is the first thing that needs to change.

 

[Nvent]

You do realise that Brisbane lions are the brisbane bears, right? We didn't used to be Fitzroy because both Fitzroy and Brisbane bears were in the same competition at once. We're not Sydney where South Melbourne relocated. We absorbed Fitzroy, but we used to be the Brisbane bears. Huge difference.

So how did you end up with Johnothan Brown?

 

[Millsie69]

I don't get it. What does this mean.

Letting St Kilda know that the two blokes who have invoked their free agency rights to leave the club, were still invited and welcomed at the GWS B&F.

Whereas Battle wasn't.

 

[Nvent]

Letting St Kilda know that the two blokes who have invoked their free agency rights to leave the club, were still invited and welcomed at the GWS B&F.

Whereas Battle wasn't.

Battle did the wrong thing he burnt the bridge.

 

[SA_Great]

Brisbane the premiers are about to get the best player in the draft basically free.

Port, Richmond, Melbourne, St Kilda and Freo are the only clubs that do not have advantages in the AFL.

How would y'all make the AFL as a competition fair?

I don't really agree with him re FS, but I do like to seeing a club leader voicing their authentic views - I wish more would do it.

 

[iameviljez]

A couple of real rocket scientists in here.

Amazingly, some of you still haven't bothered to watch the full speech. You know that Bassat admits our lack of success is our own fault right? Or is this minimal level of nuance too difficult for you to understand?

Then there's those who support clubs who have benefitted most from the current system. A bit of self awareness wouldn't go astray. It is amateurish that the premiers will get the best player in the draft for essentially free. There is no argument against this.

Then there's those who would actually benefit from a system change (like Richmond who are going to miss out on the best player in the draft), who are piling on because hur dur st kilda bad hahahaha. Talk about mob mentality.

Maybe the smartest bloke in here though is the one day old Brisbane Lions account claiming that the Brisbane Lions were never Fitzroy. Either a wonderful troll or the next NASA physicist.

Time to use some critical thinking. I know it's been a while for most of you. But if you want a fair competition then the fully compromised draft is the first thing that needs to change.

Actually there is “an argument against it”: it’s fan service.

That’s the reason, and the argument. It’s rewarding for older fans, who grew up watching the likes of Peter Daicos or Luke Darcy, and more love following their kids in the same jumper.

Is it strictly “fair”? No, it’s luck of the draw. Do we care? Mostly, also no.

 

[Silkie]

Actually there is “an argument against it”: it’s fan service.

That’s the reason, and the argument. It’s rewarding for older fans, who grew up watching the likes of Peter Daicos or Luke Darcy, and more love following their kids in the same jumper.

Is it strictly “fair”? No, it’s luck of the draw. Do we care? Mostly, also no.

Fine, pay up then. Best of both worlds.