St Kilda President Andrew Bassat tees off on the AFL draft system, specifically father/son and the Northern Academies

[Pakenhamsaint]

The answer is that both clubs nailed their top of the draft picks which has set them up for success and the ability to attract talent. As much as St Kilda want to pretend its academies etc, it’s actually just nailing top end picks for a large part. They could have had both Bont and Petracca instead they took Billing’s and McCartin.

I guarantee if the Saints had nailed Bont and Petracca they’d have been able to bring in other talent this build around these guys and would have won a flag.

There's zero guarantee Bont and Petracca become the players they are if they were at another club

 

[Elixuh]

That also assumes that Bont and Trac would have become the same players if they went to the Saints.

Sure. But I think that’s more likely than not. Petracca was drafted into an absolute basket case and became a top player.

 

[Elixuh]

There's zero guarantee Bont and Petracca become the players they are if they were at another club

There’s zero guarantee they wouldn’t. I’d back them into both become good players. Petracca was drafted into a basket case club.

But if your argument is that St Kilda can’t develop players then maybe that’s a pretty big problem.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

There’s zero guarantee they wouldn’t. I’d back them into both become good players. Petracca was drafted into a basket case club.

But if your argument is that St Kilda can’t develop players then maybe that’s a pretty big problem.

That's the thing they can.

Then they march out the door in Free Agency.
St Kilda then has to either develop a replacement that takes 5-8 year to get to the same level or recruit.


And as Bassat said some of our issues have been of our own agency

 

[Elixuh]

That's the thing they can.

Then they march out the door in Free Agency.
St Kilda then has to either develop a replacement that takes 5-8 year to get to the same level or recruit.

What’s the point of drafting anyone good because they’ll just leave in FA.

Can you take a step back from your post and read it? I get that St Kilda fans have developed this attitude but cmon, you can’t be constantly defeated by everything and look at all the possible negatives of everything.

The fact is St Kilda are in this mess because of horrific top end drafting over many years which then affects everything unless you get extremely lucky and draft generational talent with later picks. It then becomes this self-fulfilling prophecy that all these external rules and factors have contributed much more than they actually have.

Saints need to nail some more drafts at the top end and then they’ll be back mate.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

What’s the point of drafting anyone good because they’ll just leave in FA.

Can you take a step back from your post and read it? I get that St Kilda fans have developed this attitude but cmon, you can’t be constantly defeated by everything and look at all the possible negatives of everything.

The fact is St Kilda are in this mess because of horrific top end drafting over many years which then affects everything unless you get extremely lucky and draft generational talent with later picks. It then becomes this self-fulfilling prophecy that all these external rules and factors have contributed much more than they actually have.

Saints need to nail some more drafts at the top end and then they’ll be back mate.

You won't find a St Kilda supporter that doesn't disagree with that.
Bassat himself said it "some of our problems have been of our own agency"

 

[Elixuh]

You won't find a St Kilda supporter that doesn't disagree with that.
Bassat himself said it "some of our problems have been of our own agency"

Yes but my point is he clearly blames the external factors as contributing to a far greater extent than they actually do

 

[Plugger35]

But what has made the Dogs and Melbourne so successful over an extended period? They’ve been up and playing finals for years and they’re small clubs.

The Dogs have also benefitted from some good F/S picks and they got gifted JUH as well, not to mention being the umpires pets.

The Dees have also been given a lot more top draft picks than us, they got Petracca right but they have blown a lot of other ones.

You make it sound like we are the only club to blow a couple of top draft picks and even then that's only due to the benefit of hindsight, neither Billings or McCartin were seen as bad draft picks at the time, both were rated highly by other clubs as well.

 

[Elixuh]

The Dogs have also benefitted from some good F/S picks

So small clubs do benefit from these rules. Someone should let Fred know.

 

[Plugger35]

So small clubs do benefit from these rules. Someone should let Fred know.

Yeah some do like the Dogs and some don't like us but that comes down to luck rather than good management or drafting.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Yes but my point is he clearly blames the external factors as contributing to a far greater extent than they actually do

He's not though.

All he's really saying is give clubs a fair crack a drafting talent. He doesn't want to get rid of it he just wants clubs to pay the full price.

To use Ashcroft as an example if full price was paid Brisbane winning the flag might mean because thier draft picks less value and Ashcroft goes elsewhere.


I think because it's a St Kilda person saying it it gets dismissed

 

[Elixuh]

He's not though.

All he's really saying is give clubs a fair crack a drafting talent. He doesn't want to get rid of it he just wants clubs to pay the full price.

To use Ashcroft as an example if full price was paid Brisbane winning the flag might mean because thier draft picks less value and Ashcroft goes elsewhere.


I think because it's a St Kilda person saying it it gets dismissed

There you go, it worked. Now Fred won’t be heard from again.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

"BUT JOSH LIED TO US AND TOLD US HE WAS STAYING AND COST US FIRST ROUND COMPO THATS WHY WE DIDNT INVITE HIM TO THE BNF"

Sooking does get you somewhere

 

[HairyO]

So what the actual **** is this campaigner bitching about? They get WAY more than he was ever going to be worth in a trade.

 

[Mat Mann]

The answer is that both clubs nailed their top of the draft picks which has set them up for success and the ability to attract talent. As much as St Kilda want to pretend its academies etc, it’s actually just nailing top end picks for a large part. They could have had both Bont and Petracca instead they took Billing’s and McCartin.

I guarantee if the Saints had nailed Bont and Petracca they’d have been able to bring in other talent this build around these guys and would have won a flag.

completely ignoring the F/S that aided both clubs in their wins
ignoring Melb had a coach paid 1.5m that the AFL funded along with the rest of their assistance

 

[Elixuh]

completely ignoring the F/S that aided both clubs in their wins
ignoring Melb had a coach paid 1.5m that the AFL funded along with the rest of their assistance

Wait so small clubs do get advantages by these rules, someone tell Fred Bassat

 

[bzparkes]

"BUT JOSH LIED TO US AND TOLD US HE WAS STAYING AND COST US FIRST ROUND COMPO THATS WHY WE DIDNT INVITE HIM TO THE BNF"

Sooking does get you somewhere

So, do they now apologise to Josh and organise a 12 course degustation at Attica after refusing him entry to their B&F?

 

[Saints43]

Are you being ignorant to the fact they have and along with other financially independent clubs, have built their own success. (St Kilda aren’t a financially independent club).

The fixturing is done through a plethora of reasonings, from the popularity of the club, the previous success of blockbuster clashes, how good the teams are going and the wealth comes into it later, which again for Andrews case, he is saying the afl built that, which is an awful opinion.

Seeing as most clubs do their own separate resource planning and financial advisory systems to better position themselves as a business and team in the afl.

It is a lot more likely that St Kilda haven’t been able to put a foot hold in their own financial growth, and their on-field performance doesn’t help this.

Again the only good point he had was the price for father sons, academies (next gen and northern academies). But to bunch that in with the rest was poor, and his way of communicating his point wasn’t great either.

Your first paragraph is the point of my post, dopey.
They don't build their financial success. The league administration builds their financial success even if they're shithouse onfield for a quarter of a century.

 

[Falchoon]

There’s zero guarantee they wouldn’t. I’d back them into both become good players. Petracca was drafted into a basket case club.

But if your argument is that St Kilda can’t develop players then maybe that’s a pretty big problem.

Literally just developed a pick 39 into a $850k a year player & pick 8.

 

[Elixuh]

Literally just developed a pick 39 into a $850k a year player & pick 8.

Tell that to your fellow sainters who claim you can’t develop players

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Are you being ignorant to the fact they have and along with other financially independent clubs, have built their own success. (St Kilda aren’t a financially independent club).

The fixturing is done through a plethora of reasonings, from the popularity of the club, the previous success of blockbuster clashes, how good the teams are going and the wealth comes into it later, which again for Andrews case, he is saying the afl built that, which is an awful opinion.

Seeing as most clubs do their own separate resource planning and financial advisory systems to better position themselves as a business and team in the afl.

It is a lot more likely that St Kilda haven’t been able to put a foot hold in their own financial growth, and their on-field performance doesn’t help this.

Again the only good point he had was the price for father sons, academies (next gen and northern academies). But to bunch that in with the rest was poor, and his way of communicating his point wasn’t great either.

What a load of nonsense.

The big clubs are big, because the AFL makes them big.

Small clubs are small, because the AFL

This is different to a new team or a side who has been poor for long periods, on field performance changes those big games, as shown by the round 1 with Richmond and Carlton scrapped, but there are a lot of games with history, that continue to get played.

These are games that bring in big money for both clubs but the AFL in particular, this would be dumb for the product of AFL and the AFL as a business to move them to other clubs who may be equal to or lesser then.

AFL financially aid St Kilda, with North Melbourne, and the three Brisbane, Gold Coast and GWS sides being above them. This is because of their own instability and lack of being able to build a financial foundation.

Again it’s less to do with how wealthy the clubs are already and the AFL giving them draft advantages (he doesn’t but Andrew implied this), with fixturing and the rest, it is all not one singular reason. There are a plethora of KPIs involved.

Obviously an over exaggeration for you to an extent, but again as I said, it’s less about them favouring the others due to specifically their wealth. There are a lot of reasons to things. The AFL is a business after all.

The fact is they’re being given a fair chance. Financially being aided, benefiting from next generation academies, father sons if they had them, their financial aid has risen over time aswell. It’s on St Kilda aswell to be able to build a better system off-field to gain financial stability but also get some on-field success which will help this. There are many things they can do or work toward bettering to becoming a bigger club. Albeit hard as everyone knows Australia is a country for the diehards, so many people already have memberships to their favourite clubs.

You are speaking so much shit.

I can only assume you're playing devil's advocate when posting this rubbish, and you don't actually believe it?

 

[BIGHAWK23]

So, do they now apologise to Josh and organise a 12 course degustation at Attica after refusing him entry to their B&F?

You would think so

After all the moral highroad that has been taken

 

[bzparkes]

You would think so

After all the moral highroad that has been taken

That or do the right thing and refuse the pick, after complaining how 'compromised' things are.

Perhaps just stop making stupid decisions and be a better club?

 

[BIGHAWK23]

That or do the right thing and refuse the pick, after complaining how 'compromised' things are.

Perhaps just stop making stupid decisions and be a better club?

Again, GREAT POINTS

You would think they have to bid on Kako and Marshall

"For the equities of the league"

 

[Obeanie1]

Congratulations to Saint Kilda, Ross and the President.

You whinged and complaigned SO loudly the AFL did what it always does and oils the squeaky wheel and they got their band 1 compo for a player who is nowhere worth that.

I just hope my club has taken note and starts complaining louder. MUCH LOUDER!

My goodness. Just when you think things may improve and AFL House continues this debarcle management of the draft.