List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

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Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[RossHenshaw]

6+10 v 6+18+23

The first one is better deal but after drafted everyone is on an even keel.
Some players develop quicker than others

Would need us to offer our next years first rounder to have the Tigs even blink at agreeing to gives us 6&10

 

[sacrilecious]

Realistically we will only have the tigers to deal with. Would do 2 for 6 and 18. Future 1st for 11 and 24. Potentially even add our future second if we absolutely had to.
We still have the option to get back into the first and second rounds next year by bringing the '26 picks forward. Could also slide back a bit from 24 and get a future 1st if a club/s are desperate for a player at the start of the second round.
6,11,18 and 24 are perfectly positioned for access to the types of players we need for list balance. Preferably 2 KPF a KPD and a small forward. For those who would cry about giving up a 'certain' top 5 pick for 11 and 24, what if we actually do manage to pull ourselves out of 5 years of shit and get ourselves to mid table? Surely not too crazy of an aspiration after the quality experience added, as well as 4 more quality kids and internal development now we have the best development guy (as voted) in Micky Barlow. If we managed that it would be a couple of pick slide at most for the first round and an upgrade of the second round pick.
Next year should be all about enough improvement that LDU signs and we can attract at least 1 quality free agent. No more years in the bottom 4, please!!!!

 

[hellas_johnny]

On points value 2 for 6 and 18 would be 219 more points for Richmond whereas 2 for 6 and 11 would be overs for us. Possibly exchange our f2 for their f3 would be about right but can see Richmond being more open to 6 and 18

 

[blaisee]

Realistically we will only have the tigers to deal with. Would do 2 for 6 and 18. Future 1st for 11 and 24. Potentially even add our future second if we absolutely had to.
We still have the option to get back into the first and second rounds next year by bringing the '26 picks forward. Could also slide back a bit from 24 and get a future 1st if a club/s are desperate for a player at the start of the second round.
6,11,18 and 24 are perfectly positioned for access to the types of players we need for list balance. Preferably 2 KPF a KPD and a small forward. For those who would cry about giving up a 'certain' top 5 pick for 11 and 24, what if we actually do manage to pull ourselves out of 5 years of shit and get ourselves to mid table? Surely not too crazy of an aspiration after the quality experience added, as well as 4 more quality kids and internal development now we have the best development guy (as voted) in Micky Barlow. If we managed that it would be a couple of pick slide at most for the first round and an upgrade of the second round pick.
Next year should be all about enough improvement that LDU signs and we can attract at least 1 quality free agent. No more years in the bottom 4, please!!!!

So what you are expecting is that Richmond give you basically everything they got for trading baker Bolton and rioli for pick 2 and f1?

When you reckon you will be mid table next year ?

6+11+18+24

Wowsers

 

[sacrilecious]

So what you are expecting is that Richmond give you basically everything they got for trading baker Bolton and rioli for pick 2 and f1?

When you reckon you will be mid table next year ?

6+11+18+24

Wowsers

I did say i would also give you our future second. That would leave you guys with 1,2, 10, 20 and 23 for this year. 5 picks in the top 23 is still ridiculous and then you will have 2 likely quite high round 1's and 2's next year. I am hoping we improve to mid table next year (5 years of torture is plenty thanks!) But it is probably more likely even with improvement we are still bottom 4 or 5. So potentially you end up with 2 top 5 selections and 2 in the early 20's next year.
How many list spots for this year do you guys have to fill this year? Genuine question, as I'm not across other teams list numbers. Surely taking all 8 draft pics this year isn't something you guys want to do.
In terms of 2 for 6 and 18 and a future 1st and 2nd for 11 and 24 which deal would you be more likely to do if not both?

 

[JGreezy]

If we get 6&11 for pick 2 then we are robbing Richmond blind, in this draft. In most drafts that would be a pretty fair trade.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

If we get 6&11 for pick 2 then we are robbing Richmond blind, in this draft. In most drafts that would be a pretty fair trade.

That's my gut feel, too. It turns on "in this draft".

Richmond might be prepared to go 10/11 + 18 for 2 but that would be a hard sell for Brady (to NM supporters, I mean) and even then they might require something added in the form of a future pick.

 

[Only Forwards]

When you reckon you will be mid table next year ?

Anyone thinking we’ll be mid table will absolutely be in the minority.

We’d be doing well to climb out of the bottom 4.

 

[GoRoos2023]

So what you are expecting is that Richmond give you basically everything they got for trading baker Bolton and rioli for pick 2 and f1?

When you reckon you will be mid table next year ?

6+11+18+24

Wowsers

Pack it up lad.

On another note, I actually think the deal will get done with the Saints.

The desperately need an elite mid.

It won’t be 7/8 for 2 but will be some futures negotiatited.

They are the most motivated buyer for 2.

 

[pupstar]

Pack it up lad.

On another note, I actually think the deal will get done with the Saints.

The desperately need an elite mid.

It won’t be 7/8 for 2 but will be some futures negotiatited.

They are the most motivated buyer for 2.

If it's not 7-8 i can't see it happening not a chance but time will tell i suppose.

 

[blaisee]

I did say i would also give you our future second. That would leave you guys with 1,2, 10, 20 and 23 for this year. 5 picks in the top 23 is still ridiculous and then you will have 2 likely quite high round 1's and 2's next year. I am hoping we improve to mid table next year (5 years of torture is plenty thanks!) But it is probably more likely even with improvement we are still bottom 4 or 5. So potentially you end up with 2 top 5 selections and 2 in the early 20's next year.
How many list spots for this year do you guys have to fill this year? Genuine question, as I'm not across other teams list numbers. Surely taking all 8 draft pics this year isn't something you guys want to do.
In terms of 2 for 6 and 18 and a future 1st and 2nd for 11 and 24 which deal would you be more likely to do if not both?

Yea I don’t either of those deals will fly

Draft is even I agree with the other poster that targeting st kilda picks and then going for gws picks with a combination of 2 and f1 looks more likely

Interesting to see what happens

We are all guessing after all .

 

[archereleven]

If it's not 7-8 i can't see it happening not a chance but time will tell i suppose.

2, f1 for 7,8, f1

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[pupstar]

2, f1 for 7,8, f1

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Now i would do that deal. i really like that scenario.

 

[Shinboner1]

Anyone thinking we’ll be mid table will absolutely be in the minority.

We’d be doing well to climb out of the bottom 4.

More than 4 wins and I'm happy tbh.

 

[Mr north man]

So what you are expecting is that Richmond give you basically everything they got for trading baker Bolton and rioli for pick 2 and f1?

When you reckon you will be mid table next year ?

6+11+18+24

Wowsers

So this might happen ok well that’s 4 players we have 3 players still decided on 2 AFL listed players Lazzaro Harvey
Rookie Drury .
Interesting times ahead.

 

[amaz199]

Anyone thinking we’ll be mid table will absolutely be in the minority.

We’d be doing well to climb out of the bottom 4.

8 wins minimum. Raise the bar.

 

[Makeshift Park]

We got three good experienced players coming in.

Goater, Hardeman, and Duursma should start asserting themselves.

Wardlaw and Kerch will come back with bigger tanks and more muscle.

Logue returns. There will be better competition for spots all over the ground.

Still waiting to identify our small forward lock, but it really should be an 8 win season.

 

[spurs]

We got three good experienced players coming in.

Goater, Hardeman, and Duursma should start asserting themselves.

Wardlaw and Kerch will come back with bigger tanks and more muscle.

Logue returns. There will be better competition for spots all over the ground.

Still waiting to identify our small forward lock, but it really should be an 8 win season.

If we can win one in every 3 games average I’ll be so happy

 

[DuckYeah]

On points value 2 for 6 and 18 would be 219 more points for Richmond whereas 2 for 6 and 11 would be overs for us. Possibly exchange our f2 for their f3 would be about right but can see Richmond being more open to 6 and 18

Point values are only relative to acadamies nga and FS. You shouldn’t use the points system to compare what pick 2 is “worth”. You use history to explain how much a pick is worth and what clubs in the past have given up for it. Example, and i dont think the player matters, Richmond wouldn’t give up pick one for this either. Crows offer 4 and 2 x F1st with F2nd going with pick 1.
West coast wanted 3 x 1sts for pick 1 last year.

Pick 2 is not 3 x first selections. Its one mid top ten and one in the top 15. Thats about what pick 2 is worth every day of the week.

 

[DuckYeah]

So what you are expecting is that Richmond give you basically everything they got for trading baker Bolton and rioli for pick 2 and f1?

When you reckon you will be mid table next year ?

6+11+18+24

Wowsers

Lets cut the shit. You will turn Rioli who wasn’t much chop, one of the biggest down hill skiing squibs in the afl, somehow he magically turned into pick 6 and (?) then Baker who is a B grade contributor, Richmond potentially could turn those two washed up has beens into a genuine A grade mid with pick 2.

That should delight the fan base.

 

[DuckYeah]

If we get 6&11 for pick 2 then we are robbing Richmond blind, in this draft. In most drafts that would be a pretty fair trade.

The draft is going to be hit and miss after the mids are taken. The talls are overrated as all ****. Tauru comes on late and almost looks the best of the lot, that in itself speaks volumes.

Its an even draft, it doesn’t mean its good.

 

[DuckYeah]

More than 4 wins and I'm happy tbh.

We’ll end up with the 6th hardest fixture again so 4 wins is plausible

 

[Mr north man]

We’ll end up with the 6th hardest fixture again so 4 wins is plausible

Thinking of starting a sweep I put dibs we will have at least 10 x 1:10pm games + 7 x 4:40pm games=17 Sunday games .
3 x 1.10pm games + 1 x 4:40pm game + 1 x 7:20pm game=5 Saturday games
1 x 4:40pm Good Friday game.
Thats 23 games for the NMFC in 2025.
I expect an away game in Geelong
Gold Coast in Darwin 2 SA games Brisbane at Norwood + Port Adelaide
Hawthorn Home and Away in Tasmania and 3 Tasmanian games in the 1st half of the year.

 

[DuckYeah]

Thinking of starting a sweep I put dibs we will have at least 10 x 1:10pm games + 7 x 4:40pm games=17 Sunday games .
3 x 1.10pm games + 1 x 4:40pm game + 1 x 7:20pm game=5 Saturday games
1 x 4:40pm Good Friday game.
Thats 23 games for the NMFC in 2025.
I expect an away game in Geelong
Gold Coast in Darwin 2 SA games Brisbane at Norwood + Port Adelaide
Hawthorn Home and Away in Tasmania and 3 Tasmanian games in the 1st half of the year.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Point values are only relative to acadamies nga and FS. You shouldn’t use the points system to compare what pick 2 is “worth”. You use history to explain how much a pick is worth and what clubs in the past have given up for it. Example, and i dont think the player matters, Richmond wouldn’t give up pick one for this either. Crows offer 4 and 2 x F1st with F2nd going with pick 1.
West coast wanted 3 x 1sts for pick 1 last year.

Pick 2 is not 3 x first selections. Its one mid top ten and one in the top 15. Thats about what pick 2 is worth every day of the week.

Agree up to a point.

We wouldn’t be having this conversation if pick 2 was going to get us a Sheezel or McKercher, so we can’t pretend it isn’t devalued compared to those draft years.

(We’d all the replaying their highlights on loop instead of arguing about sliding down.)

But also, the difference between pick 10 and pick 20 appears to be a lot less than most recent years.

I just think it’s important to not lose sight of the players involved beyond the numbers