List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

[giantroo]

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

I think it comes from some coaches when the chips are down taking a big risk and letting a non mid run through there to shake things up, but they do so knowing that it's just as likely to make things worse as to make it better.

It's much easier and far less risky to teach your main midfield group a variety of different stoppage setups and roles that emphasise different players, to be deployed in different scenarios, with a shot-caller, than it is to throw new additional mids in there and teach surplus mids forward or backline craft AND those stoppage setups.

I agree. Curtis, Zurhaar, Goater, Duursma, McKercher, Simpkin should all be playing the majority of their games on flanks/wings but used in that 25% supplementary/rest time for our 4-5 mids.

 

[buttox]

What about that keep forward

Sure we need one.
But not to the point of taking a ridiculous deal.
For example 18 and 20 for 2 is not worth it just keep 2
Obviously.
We cant force a good deal.
Staying at 2 has merrit

 

[Ura]

Pink KPF? Hahaha. Not sure that's why we picked him.

Definetly not. He did start as a forward as a jnr though. Only thing i will give him is he was a hard tackler. Couldnt kick but did tackle hard

 

[roos 10]

Sure we need one.
But not to the point of taking a ridiculous deal.
For example 18 and 20 for 2 is not worth it just keep 2
Obviously.
We cant force a good deal.
Staying at 2 has merrit

6/11 or we keep 2

 

[perplexed]

Woke up this morning to go for a ride and discovered that not only did I have a flat tyre but some f..ker had stolen my good bike pump from the front porch. There is an old klepto who wanders the neighbourhood with a shopping trolley collecting pot plants and garden gnomes. I’m going to blame her for both the pump and our list management shambles and go on BF and have a whinge about it.

Having spent years drafting kids and being told that we know where we are at, we have now abandoned our long-term approach for some short-term pain relief to protect the reputations of the senior members of our football department. We suddenly need to bring in experience all over the field to help our kids. Well, if we knew where we were, why didn’t we need that this year? This year the game plan was as big a problem than the list. But look over here, these guys will help, like me they won premierships ten years ago.

The general strategy we’ve taken is exactly what I feared we would do. In short, we have kept the list cloggers and doubled down on retreads to further clog the list. I won’t post again the list of our recycled players from recent years, but that we continue to go down this path despite its complete lack of success infuriates me. We are going into the supposedly deepest draft in years, unfortunately we don’t have any list positions left despite getting to keep our extra rookie spots.

Coming out of the trade period with only pick 2 is bizarre. I know we could still split, we’ll see. But where we are now, it looks to me like we will continue to try and fill the biggest holes in our list with the smallest possible investment. We haven’t a top ten pick on a tall since Lachie Hansen – we’ve had ten in that time. We haven’t used a draft pick on a small forward since Corey Wagner.

By comparison to this year, next years draft is supposed to be weak. Unfortunately we have a massive pile of cloggers coming out of contract then. Several of these could have easily been cut this year: CCJ, Stevo, Pink, Bergman, we even re-signed archetypal list clogger Will Phillips.

Is there a long-term list management strategy in place or just a short-term fix? It doesn’t look like it.

 

[Masked Avenger]

Great work Brady Rawlings and team!

Overpay with Pick 25 on a player Beveridge clearly moved past when we could've used that pick to select a tall forward that Darling and Larkey could've mentored over the journey.

Now he'll attempt to used a future asset to further derail our 2025 Draft assets.

F@ck3n SEETHING!!

I think Daniel's impact will be far greater than people think - just my opinion.

Wouldn't get too hooked up on what Bevo did or didn't do. Good coach but he's spent all his tickets at the Dogs. He had all but given up on Lobb and dumb luck turned him into Ross Glendinning. He was also regularly criticised for moving Bont away from the action during critical stages of games.

Daniel, like Johannisen, fell down the pecking order behind the likes of Richards and Dale.

We don't have anyone of that calibre.

 

[buttox]

6/11 or we keep 2

Yes id take that.
6, 18, 24 would be tempting also.
But im not going to lose sleep if we keep our current hand it is still decent.
Carlton traded pretty much everything they have for an identical hand to us.

 

[ferball]

So…we should keep pick 2 and spend it on another midfielder then?

We should take Tauru or Armstrong with our first pick, whatever it is, and commit to making them one of the best KPFs in the comp within five years.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Yes id take that.
6, 18, 24 would be tempting also.
But im not going to lose sleep if we keep our current hand it is still decent.
Carlton traded pretty much everything they have for an identical hand to us.

Practically, this means Tauru, a small forward and another KPP.

Just get it done.

 

[ferball]

Woke up this morning to go for a ride and discovered that not only did I have a flat tyre but some f..ker had stolen my good bike pump from the front porch. There is an old klepto who wanders the neighbourhood with a shopping trolley collecting pot plants and garden gnomes. I’m going to blame her for both the pump and our list management shambles and go on BF and have a whinge about it.

Having spent years drafting kids and being told that we know where we are at, we have now abandoned our long-term approach for some short-term pain relief to protect the reputations of the senior members of our football department. We suddenly need to bring in experience all over the field to help our kids. Well, if we knew where we were, why didn’t we need that this year? This year the game plan was as big a problem than the list. But look over here, these guys will help, like me they won premierships ten years ago.

The general strategy we’ve taken is exactly what I feared we would do. In short, we have kept the list cloggers and doubled down on retreads to further clog the list. I won’t post again the list of our recycled players from recent years, but that we continue to go down this path despite its complete lack of success infuriates me. We are going into the supposedly deepest draft in years, unfortunately we don’t have any list positions left despite getting to keep our extra rookie spots.

Coming out of the trade period with only pick 2 is bizarre. I know we could still split, we’ll see. But where we are now, it looks to me like we will continue to try and fill the biggest holes in our list with the smallest possible investment. We haven’t a top ten pick on a tall since Lachie Hansen – we’ve had ten in that time. We haven’t used a draft pick on a small forward since Corey Wagner.

By comparison to this year, next years draft is supposed to be weak. Unfortunately we have a massive pile of cloggers coming out of contract then. Several of these could have easily been cut this year: CCJ, Stevo, Pink, Bergman, we even re-signed archetypal list clogger Will Phillips.

Is there a long-term list management strategy in place or just a short-term fix? It doesn’t look like it.

We've delisted five players you'd call list cloggers, six if you count Shiels. There's bound to be more to come.

 

[Sillygit]

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We've delisted five players you'd call list cloggers, six if you count Shiels. There's bound to be more to come.

And we've brought in experienced players because our senior players are lacking at best.

 

[Passmore]

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And we've brought in experienced players because our senior players are lacking at best.

It's a no win situation.

Bring in 3 decorated, experienced players to fill gaping holes = abandoning our youth strategy. Never mind the roughly 20 kids we'll have in the 1-4 year cohort by the time drafting is done.



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[Passmore]

6/11 or we keep 2

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the internal discussions.

I'm sure there staff banging on the table for either scenario. Take probably Draper at 2 if Smith is gone, or split it for some balance.

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[krakouers]

We should take Tauru or Armstrong with our first pick, whatever it is, and commit to making them one of the best KPFs in the comp within five years.

Cmon ferball , we need more over dramatics mate, no simple logic…

 

[Mr north man]

I think at best if we traded pick 2 for 2 picks inside the top 15 I’d be happy with that as we won’t get 2 picks inside the top 10.
Also I’d be passing on the pick in the 60s recon we either get a DFA or go to PSD.
As for the following players Lazzaro,Drury and Harvey sorry fellers this is business we can’t afford carry any more players either on the list or as rookies.
Speaking of Rookies I don’t think River Stevens is not going to make so I be sceptical about Rookie him plus we already player similar to him in Payne which I have a ? Over him whether his going to make it.

 

[perplexed]

We've delisted five players you'd call list cloggers, six if you count Shiels. There's bound to be more to come.

There has to be just to comply with AFL rules. As a minimum we will be axing Cooper and Laz and pushing CJ to the rookie list to give us just three main list spots.

 

[The Nostradamus]

There has to be just to comply with AFL rules. As a minimum we will be axing Cooper and Laz and pushing CJ to the rookie list to give us just three main list spots.

We started with one less on the senior list this year 37-7
Can go to 38-6 which I expect us to do

I expect us to keep one of coop, laz, Drury on the rookie list (ideally coop)

Gives us 3 spots which we can use

 

[perplexed]

We started with one less on the senior list this year 37-7
Can go to 38-6 which I expect us to do

I expect us to keep one of coop, laz, Drury on the rookie list (ideally coop)

Gives us 3 spots which we can use

That is what I said. I was keeping Drury. Not because I want to particularly, but Clarko seems to like him, and he is Harry's mate and I would rather keep him happy.

 

[The Nostradamus]

That is what I said. I was keeping Drury. Not because I want to particularly, but Clarko seems to like him, and he is Harry's mate and I would rather keep him happy.

Yeah I’d rather keep cooper or even laz over Drury

Either of those better off getting a rookie spot before him imo

 

[ferball]

Cmon ferball , we need more over dramatics mate, no simple logic…

Oh sorry.

SaCkS RaDYs BrAwLinG nOw!1!11

 

[Horace]

Gee there is a lot of angst here about the trading of Pick 25, which will probably move out further on the night. 44 however might well move closer as the father sons and academy bids are covered.

Now I understand that this is supposed to be a really good draft, but those two picks are still 25+ and 44-. So the probability of them being good long term players, is still lower, than the short term gains we will hopefully get from Daniels and Parker. And Darling who cost us next to nothing

As I said in an earlier post, this recruitment is to help build the experience gap while our recent draftees develop and become hardened footballers. Footballers who have played 50 to 100 games, when they are really going to improve our capacity to win more games than we lose. That's 3 years away and that's exactly the time frame that these players have been brought in to bridge the gap.

I have another left field view of this trading and that is that LDU becomes a free agent next year. It has been reported here and there and everywhere, and who knows what is true, but he is apparently waiting to see some improvement before he decides to re-sign or not. May that be part of the recruiting teams thought process, "Lets get some improvement and wins on the board in the short term, so that we have a better chance of retaining LDU"?. And for that matter, maybe attracting a very good free agent in the next year or two.

 

[shinboner magic]

6+10 v 6+18+23

The first one is better deal but after drafted everyone is on an even keel.
Some players develop quicker than others

 

[buttox]

6+10 v 6+18+23

The first one is better deal but after drafted everyone is on an even keel.
Some players develop quicker than others

I bet we would prefer 6 and 10 and have a ssp player. Just to improve our demographics a bit.
Either is managable.

 

[ToxicMegaPunts]

6/11 or we keep 2

6/11, that is rational.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

I'd be surprised if Richmond are willing to trade pick 6 to us, even if the 2nd part of the split is later than 11.

I hope they will, but am not expecting it.