List Mgmt. 2025 List Management 📃

[Blue and Silver]

I think the right call is a tall.

Lemmey should be able to step up if needed, but that still leaves us with only 1 back up key forward.

Moir and Kemp are hybrid types, McGovern is settled down back. JSOS is a possibility.

I am picking McMahon, apologies to Will White who I think has earned a spot as well

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[Arr0w]

I don't see any of Jsos, Haynes, Kemp as genuine KPDs, more 3rd tall types

Weitering, Young and a raw O'Farrell

I'd still take Phillips

 

[Lukeblueboy]

As it stands now, my pick would be white.

 

[macky99]

As it stands now, my pick would be white.

Motlop & Durdin & Fogarty and Fantasia would be ahead of him, makes much sense to take McMahon or Phillips from a list balance perspective and injury coverage

 

[Aphrodite]

Cooper Lord - 1yr extension until end of 2026

The inside scoop: Lord remains in Navy Blue

Cooper Lord will call IKON Park home until at least the end of 2026.

www.carltonfc.com.au

 

[bigblueboy]

Good list management.

 

[Aphrodite]

TDK NEXT FFS!

 

[SurreyBlue]

TDK NEXT FFS!

JSoS as well and then off memory we are good.

 

[Aphrodite]

JSoS as well and then off memory we are good.

2025
1. Jack Silvagni
3. Jesse Motlop
11. Mitch McGovern
12. Tom De Koning
14. Orazio Fantasia
15. Sam Docherty
17. Brodie Kemp
24. Nic Newman
26. Nick Haynes
29. George Hewett (RFA)
31. Harry Lemmey
32. Matt Carroll (Pre-season SSP 2025) ?
34. Rob Monahan (International Rookie Cat B)
35. Billy Wilson
39. Alex Cincotta (Pre-season SSP 2023)
41. Matt Duffy (International Rookie Cat B) ?

 

[gbatman]

I feel the game changed mid last season when they changed the "Interpretation" of the holding the ball rule. Our midfielders who crashed and bashed packs and stood up in tackles to get a handball off where then penalised for standing up in tackles or taking the game on. The handballs became quicker and panicked and we didn't have the speed to get into better positions

In my opinion it changed in 2023 however a lot of clubs were slow to adjust. I think list management and tactics saw it coming and focused too heavily on maintaining congestion and using that to defend however the rules actually worked and only Collingwood absolutely nailed it that season. Rather than fight the rules they changes to adapt to them, defended by having good pressure, closing speed and tackling pressure around the ball and attacked with fast rebound, run and carry and direct play where possible. This was how they won the flag and why they were so good this season, they were just more advanced. Next season everyone adapted this measure. Now it's an integral part of the game.

Teams have shifted from defending the game by having numbers around the ball and creating congestion to using closing speed and having plenty of energy and rotations around the ball. This also means those sides with burst speed, agility and evasiveness now have the space to do a lot of damage, particularly with the 666 rule, mids running the ball out of the middle is damn hard to stop.

So a shift away from big strong and taller mids to more mobile, agile and quicker mids with an appetite to chase and tackle is now something that's really important.

Smith to me is a massive get to us. He's got super skills, super IQ and his speed and mobility are off the charts. It's also why I am a Lord fan.



This highlight video here is worth a look.

0:32 fast spread, gives and takes off, not used but you see him run both ways like this a fair bit, will be more now he is fitter. This is great from an inside mid. He did this a lot against the eagles the previous week as well.

0:35, 1:11. Just great closing speed and really effective tackles. We don't get much of this from out mids but the really top sides deliver a lot of this from their midfield.

His disposal, well timed handball release, composure and how often his balance from getting it in the contests but also getting it on the outside in general play is really impressive.

This was a 19 possession, 7 tackle game in only 62% TOG. Which is why I was baffled how he was dropped the following week for players we all knew weren't going to perform and didn't.

To me this is what I call a modern midfielder. Very balanced and skilled game but great runner and will close in quick on the ball carrier and tackle effectively and for about 3 years now I have been banging on about this quality and the lack of it in our midfield. Get it right and we are a real contender.

The other qualities I need to mention is how well our other mids feed off him. Releases Cripps and Walsh more who I thought fed off him well rather than having to win a lot of the hard ball in there. Particularly good for Cripps who if he is getting to be a receiver more, that's dangerous.

 

[gbatman]

not fair to look at the mids in isolation, without looking at the ruckman alongside them...

TDK, to a degree, represents another set of hands at ground level - often as effective as having another mid.

Pitto, on the other hand, showed me last year he's a break glass only in emergency type....

Good to hear all the positivity around the athletically gifted HOK.

TDK is an absolute game changer. Even the final where Brisbane were belting us, he came on half fit and the momentum swung our way a little more.

He plays the game hard, he jumps into the opposition ruck and this wares them down but also takes away their control which means they can't dictate where the ball lands and can't have it on their terms. He's a good defensive ruck. He'd be horrible to play against.

What he does in the air and at ground level just comes from someone who is a natural footballer and athlete. It's puts him in a high category. This could be a real breakout season for TDK.

The other weapon we have and need to use more is McKay. Rest TDK more so he doesn't burn out. McKay is another who goes into the ruck and changes momentum, he's a talented ruckman. With a proper third and till and possible a 4th strong overhead option, we can do this more.

Our backup ruckmen are strong, good reserve options to have.

 

[Soapy V]

TDK NEXT FFS!

It will be done and fairly soon. He's not going anywhere

 

[swuzzlebubble]

7 days until the SSP ends

 

[Soapy V]

TDK is an absolute game changer. Even the final where Brisbane were belting us, he came on half fit and the momentum swung our way a little more.

He plays the game hard, he jumps into the opposition ruck and this wares them down but also takes away their control which means they can't dictate where the ball lands and can't have it on their terms. He's a good defensive ruck. He'd be horrible to play against.

What he does in the air and at ground level just comes from someone who is a natural footballer and athlete. It's puts him in a high category. This could be a real breakout season for TDK.

The other weapon we have and need to use more is McKay. Rest TDK more so he doesn't burn out. McKay is another who goes into the ruck and changes momentum, he's a talented ruckman. With a proper third and till and possible a 4th strong overhead option, we can do this more.

Our backup ruckmen are strong, good reserve options to have.

Very interesting conversation the other day with someone very much inside the club about TDK.

They love him. Great person, immense talent and they all believe he is a genuine matchwinner and could be as good as any ruck going around. Perfect world he would play as sole ruck

The question mark is very much around resilience. He doesn't take the knocks well and really pulls up sore after rucking by himself. The way he plays leaves him "open" to a lot of hits and injuries. More than most

They are really working on how they manage him this year along with some technical stuff to better protect himself. Sometimes he will ruck by himself, sometimes Pittonet will play and TDK will play forward. It will be more about getting through season the best he can than best line up each week. Even little thing like Silvagni or Young taking some ruck to give him a breather

O'Keefe they really like but don't want to rush him if not needed

 

[carlton09]

Can anybody here confirm who manages Tom? Is it Scott Lucas/Phoenix Management?

 

[bigblueboy]

Very interesting conversation the other day with someone very much inside the club about TDK.

They love him. Great person, immense talent and they all believe he is a genuine matchwinner and could be as good as any ruck going around. Perfect world he would play as sole ruck

The question mark is very much around resilience. He doesn't take the knocks well and really pulls up sore after rucking by himself. The way he plays leaves him "open" to a lot of hits and injuries. More than most

They are really working on how they manage him this year along with some technical stuff to better protect himself. Sometimes he will ruck by himself, sometimes Pittonet will play and TDK will play forward. It will be more about getting through season the best he can than best line up each week. Even little thing like Silvagni or Young taking some ruck to give him a breather

O'Keefe they really like but don't want to rush him if not needed

This is spot on.

The most intriguing aspect to our ruck set up is why we refuse to use McKay more as the back up.

Understand why you might want to protect him but I very much see him as Brisbane used Joe Daniher to keep him engaged in the play.

Would give us so much more flexibility from a team selection perspective also.

 

[sweethoney]

Can anybody here confirm who manages Tom? Is it Scott Lucas/Phoenix Management?

D’Orazio/connor sports I think

 

[SurreyBlue]

Very interesting conversation the other day with someone very much inside the club about TDK.

They love him. Great person, immense talent and they all believe he is a genuine matchwinner and could be as good as any ruck going around. Perfect world he would play as sole ruck

The question mark is very much around resilience. He doesn't take the knocks well and really pulls up sore after rucking by himself. The way he plays leaves him "open" to a lot of hits and injuries. More than most

They are really working on how they manage him this year along with some technical stuff to better protect himself. Sometimes he will ruck by himself, sometimes Pittonet will play and TDK will play forward. It will be more about getting through season the best he can than best line up each week. Even little thing like Silvagni or Young taking some ruck to give him a breather

O'Keefe they really like but don't want to rush him if not needed

As we know it takes most to late 20’s to become elite as a ruckman and to cope with 22+ games. TdK is still raw in his trade, so this is great to hear. I love hearing the club is doing the right thing and should be for ‘all’ youngsters developing.

I feel this is where some clubs in rebuild mode don’t get it right. You need to protect these kinds early on their careers.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Very interesting conversation the other day with someone very much inside the club about TDK.

They love him. Great person, immense talent and they all believe he is a genuine matchwinner and could be as good as any ruck going around. Perfect world he would play as sole ruck

The question mark is very much around resilience. He doesn't take the knocks well and really pulls up sore after rucking by himself. The way he plays leaves him "open" to a lot of hits and injuries. More than most

They are really working on how they manage him this year along with some technical stuff to better protect himself. Sometimes he will ruck by himself, sometimes Pittonet will play and TDK will play forward. It will be more about getting through season the best he can than best line up each week. Even little thing like Silvagni or Young taking some ruck to give him a breather

O'Keefe they really like but don't want to rush him if not needed

That’s really promising to hear Soapy, I hope they follow through with that plan to get TDK through a full season.

We need to be doing whole club and resting or giving quieter weeks to all of our guns, not just thinking and talking about it yet very rarely enacting those thoughts.


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[carlton09]

D’Orazio/connor sports I think

SOS seen chatting with Scotty Lucas today. I was under the impression that he managed TDK.
Good to know. Sigh

 

[SurreyBlue]

SOS seen chatting with Scotty Lucas today. I was under the impression that he managed TDK.
Good to know. Sigh

SOS would be talking to all player managers. Its his job.

 

[azlou]

As it stands now, my pick would be white.

Why I don’t know enough about him but they mentioned speed.
We need a tall back but if list managers think he’s part of the puzzle I’m onboard.
Some of our smalls are quick Zac but aging Durdin quick not blistering.
I remember the back page of the herald When we got Betts he was jumping mid shot like Toyota add he was a rookie.
If they think he’s got something I’m sure most of those other players would be around mid season

 

[JustaBattler]

Very interesting conversation the other day with someone very much inside the club about TDK.

They love him. Great person, immense talent and they all believe he is a genuine matchwinner and could be as good as any ruck going around. Perfect world he would play as sole ruck

He doesn't take The question mark is very much around resilience.the knocks well and really pulls up sore after rucking by himself. The way he plays leaves him "open" to a lot of hits and injuries. More than most

They are really working on how they manage him this year along with some technical stuff to better protect himself. Sometimes he will ruck by himself, sometimes Pittonet will play and TDK will play forward. It will be more about getting through season the best he can than best line up each week. Even little thing like Silvagni or Young taking some ruck to give him a breather

O'Keefe they really like but don't want to rush him if not needed

It is why many on here have understood why the MC have elected to play two rucks so often...the only problem with the two rucks has been the fact that Pittonet himself has been injury prone hence SOJ ( who was unavailable in 2024 ) and Harry with increasing cameos. However the issue with playing Harry too much is the pressure that that puts on Charlie as the sole power forward in those times....who was playing off one leg for half a season in 2024

Situation should improve with better forward setup (particularly a third tal target in Kemp or Moir giving more flexibility to Harry to play relief ruck. Pittonet has a lot to prove in 2025 imo. Also looking forward HOK is going to be a gun himself hopefully he gets over his tendency to do hamstrings.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Very interesting conversation the other day with someone very much inside the club about TDK.

They love him. Great person, immense talent and they all believe he is a genuine matchwinner and could be as good as any ruck going around. Perfect world he would play as sole ruck

The question mark is very much around resilience. He doesn't take the knocks well and really pulls up sore after rucking by himself. The way he plays leaves him "open" to a lot of hits and injuries. More than most

They are really working on how they manage him this year along with some technical stuff to better protect himself. Sometimes he will ruck by himself, sometimes Pittonet will play and TDK will play forward. It will be more about getting through season the best he can than best line up each week. Even little thing like Silvagni or Young taking some ruck to give him a breather

O'Keefe they really like but don't want to rush him if not needed

no person takes a 205cm man (Xerri) stomping repeatedly on their foot well....

I think he just needs to be more aware that people will be trying to hurt him!

 

[katmanblue]

no person takes a 205cm man (Xerri) stomping repeatedly on their foot well....

I think he just needs to be more aware that people will be trying to hurt him!

How the hell did he get away with it? Where's the rest of the team? Really annoys me.

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