List Mgmt. 2025 Premiership(s) List Making and Trading

[George CantStandYa]

Port played Soldo rounds 1-6. Then he got hurt and came back playing 2 games before getting dropped and playing the season out in the SANFL.

He lost his spot to Jordan Sweet who the power acquired easily for pick 50 at the end of 2023 (see how is easy it is to find ruckman for cheap).



Yup. Was their #1 ruckman to start the season and got dropped. Essendon now have 5 ruckman on their list and we are likely (and unfortunately) gonna swipe one.

You asked for two examples of teams that dropped their lead ruckman last year - I provided them.



Ahhh you were asking which teams kept the ruckman they dropped last season. Well - just us.

Well only 3 teams dropped their ruckman. We are the only one going into the season with one - probably because we have two mature rucks contracted through 2025.



Yeah - Preseason don't matter. ROB has a season like 2024 - we will be just fine.

He came back okay after he was dropped. Averaged about 40 hit-outs a game. Also had Didn't he dominate All Australian English in Rd 22 earning 8 coaches votes (4 from each coach). He can still be very good. His bad is at least competitive and he responds well to when he is dropped.

Once again going into 2025 with ROB as your #1 ruckman aint bad.

So you’re ok with playing a leader of the club who is out of form until they are eventually dropped because we effectively don’t have another viable option and Strachan isn’t one.

Preseason does matter, how many times players who have had good preseasons have decent seasons?

What the preseason has shown is that ROB has consistently been beaten by a SANFL ruckman.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Devils advocate on that last point.

I wonder if ROB has been told to take it a bit easier due to our idiotic list management decision ??

It’s that’s the case then it’s even worse.

 

[Cromulant]

It’s that’s the case then it’s even worse.

I agree, but I reckon the coaches know with Strachan not much chop even before he was hurt, they couldnt afford to lose ROB so early in the season.... or at all.

I can imagine they would hate being hamstrung by it.

 

[George CantStandYa]

I agree, but I reckon the coaches know with Strachan not much chop even before he was hurt, they couldnt afford to lose ROB so early in the season.... or at all.

I can imagine they would hate being hamstrung by it.

Surely they haven’t told ROB “don’t even try to jump”. In reality though we know he can’t jump, which is a major disadvantage against a ruck who is taller and who can jump, which is what McAndrew is.

3 things have the potential to derail our season:

Nicks
Injuries
ROB and lack of rucks

 

[skam85]

it is not that easy to revamp your ruck stocks seeing as we still have two average at best ruckmen and no developing rucks on the list.

that and other clubs will know how keen we are to bring in a new ruck, driving up the asking price

 

[AFC979810]

So you’re ok with playing a leader of the club who is out of form until they are eventually dropped because we effectively don’t have another viable option and Strachan isn’t one.

I don't think he should be a leader.

Not sure he is out of form. We haven't even had a preseason game yet. He finished 2024 well and has played 84 of the last 90 crows games.

Preseason does matter, how many times players who have had good preseasons have decent seasons?

Huh?

What the preseason has shown is that ROB has consistently been beaten by a SANFL ruckman.

At practice. Don't make me quote Allan Iverson.

 

[Mostyn]

I agree, but I reckon the coaches know with Strachan not much chop even before he was hurt, they couldnt afford to lose ROB so early in the season.... or at all.

I can imagine they would hate being hamstrung by it.

Strachan won the club SANFL best and fairest last season.

Actually, he's won it the last three seasons.

Maybe they think he's a good backup as is. He's been the best overall ruckman in the SANFL for the last few years, and maybe they didn't feel the two games he played last year were career ending.

I'm not arguing for him - I'm just saying there's more evidence of the club rating him than not.

 

[Cromulant]

Strachan won the club SANFL best and fairest last season.

Actually, he's won it the last three seasons.

Maybe they think he's a good backup as is. He's been the best overall ruckman in the SANFL for the last few years, and maybe they didn't feel the two games he played last year were career ending.

I'm not arguing for him - I'm just saying there's more evidence of the club rating him than not.

I think you missed my point.

They aren't going to risk our only remaining ruck in practice games.

Interesting to note McAndrew is playing tomorrow.

 

[Mutineer]

Strachan won the club SANFL best and fairest last season.

Actually, he's won it the last three seasons.

Maybe they think he's a good backup as is. He's been the best overall ruckman in the SANFL for the last few years, and maybe they didn't feel the two games he played last year were career ending.

I'm not arguing for him - I'm just saying there's more evidence of the club rating him than not.

Harry Boyd has been the outstanding SANFL ruck and it's not close. Margarey Medal for a ruck is pretty rare.

 

[Cromulant]

Harry Boyd has been the outstanding SANFL ruck and it's not close. Margarey Medal for a ruck is pretty rare.

I reckon Strachan was close enough.... until last year. Harry went to another level

 

[spenze]

Devils advocate on that last point.

I wonder if ROB has been told to take it a bit easier due to our idiotic list management decision ??

For four years????

 

[spenze]

Surely they haven’t told ROB “don’t even try to jump”. In reality though we know he can’t jump, which is a major disadvantage against a ruck who is taller and who can jump, which is what McAndrew is.

3 things have the potential to derail our season:

Nicks
Injuries
ROB and lack of rucks

Actually, there are five things

Nicks
Injuries
Nicks
Rob and lack of rucks
Nicks

 

[Cromulant]

For four years????

I know you're trying to make a witty point, but enlighten me as to what that is ??

 

[dogs105]

Strachan won the club SANFL best and fairest last season.

Actually, he's won it the last three seasons.

Maybe they think he's a good backup as is. He's been the best overall ruckman in the SANFL for the last few years, and maybe they didn't feel the two games he played last year were career ending.

I'm not arguing for him - I'm just saying there's more evidence of the club rating him than not.

Several years ago he was being called "best ruck outside of the AFL " (by the club).

Hopefully his insipid matches last season were from the groin injury, not a general lack of fitness.

 

[dogs105]

I know you're trying to make a witty point, but enlighten me as to what that is ??

RoB has looked like he's hardly tried for the past 4 years. Pretty sure that's spenze's point.

 

[Cromulant]

RoB has looked like he's hardly tried for the past 4 years. Pretty sure that's spenze's point.

I would disagree with that, he's tried he's just not very good.

Right now though, we cant really afford for him to get hurt.

 

[spenze]

I would disagree with that, he's tried he's just not very good.

Right now though, we cant really afford for him to get hurt.

Nope.

In the year he won the B&F he was a poor mans Rehn, I loved the way once the ball hit the ground he got his knees dirty and hunted the ball. He hasn't done that in years.

He's never been "very good" but his effort was, I'd go as far to say excellent and that has really dropped off

 

[Cromulant]

Nope.

In the year he won the B&F he was a poor mans Rehn, I loved the way once the ball hit the ground he got his knees dirty and hunted the ball. He hasn't done that in years.

He's never been "very good" but his effort was, I'd go as far to say excellent and that has really dropped off

I reckon the effort did drop off last year but not for long. When youve got no competition for a spot that does tend to happen.

 

[spenze]

I reckon the effort did drop off last year but not for long. When youve got no competition for a spot that does tend to happen.

I get that but it is on the coaches to get that effort and if it is not there then one of the two have to go

 

[Cromulant]

I get that but it is on the coaches to get that effort and if it is not there then one of the two have to go

Unfortunately ROB at 80% seems to be better than Strachan at 100%.

I think dropping him was necessary for that little kick up the backside

 

[FR0GGY]

Unfortunately ROB at 80% seems to be better than Strachan at 100%.

I think dropping him was necessary for that little kick up the backside

Not sure about that, don’t think we saw Strachan at 100% last year.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

What club is in a great position if they lose their #1 and #2 ruckman to injury?

Bulldogs are forced to play either Darcy or Lobb who are preferred as KPP if they lost both English/Smith before round 1. Just like we would be forced to play TT if we lost both ROB and Strachan for Rd 1.

The issue is we are in a bad position if our #1 ruckman is injured as we don't have a decent #2.

 

[Cromulant]

Not sure about that, don’t think we saw Strachan at 100% last year.

I think we did, he just couldn't make the step up

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Because the Inactive List rules state that medical evidence is required proving that the injury is season-ending - and Strachan's diagnosis is nothing like season ending. They're talking about him being available around the R1-3 window, which is far from season ending.

We just need to borrow the Port doctor for a day...

 

[FR0GGY]

I think we did, he just couldn't make the step up

He matched it with decent ruckman in his previous games though.