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Absolutely we should try lure JUH. I’d back ourselves to turn him around.

Given our ladder position each year there’s just no way we ever get access to top talent, especially kpf top talent. We have to trade for them. In this instance I doubt JUH would cost us 3 x first rounders given the situation.

Jezza is entering the twilight (and more like a roaming flanker anyway) so yes, we should absolutely we should try to lure him and back our system to turn him around.

HF. Miers. Neale. Cameron
FF. stengle. JUH. Close
Bench. Henry. Mannagh
Rotating. Dempsey
Emg. Clohesy
Wild card: Martin

That’d be the most dynamic forward line in the AFL. Opposition would be shoe ding all their runs trying to plan against this
 
strauchnyy said:
Absolutely we should try lure JUH. I’d back ourselves to turn him around.
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I think our restorative powers are greatly overstated. At the end of the day, change is up to the individual, not the club.

Stengle had already turned his life around. Stokes was just caught with a gram - hardly the worst situation for a footballer. It's not like we've taken on a Fevola-esque figure and brought him back to the light.
 
The thing I would say about JUH compared to Oliver for instance, is that his football trajectory as of up to the end of the last season was still going up, Oliver had dropped off significantly over the last two seasons.

JUH is the sort of talent you don't have access to outside of top 5 pick, f/s or academy.

Club would know more about his off field stuff than you or I.

If they were interested, I sure would be.
 
AM said:
Absolute rubbish yet again. Tap work is just part of a top rucks array. Polly Farmer was a superb tap ruck. Sam Newman claims he taught him the art. Think Polly probably had a few more strings to his bow. As does Gawn.

And before you run off on another wild goose chase, I'm not comparing Gawn's ability to that of Polly's, merely that he's by far the best at that part of the game in the comp. As stated by both Newman and Bartel. Who know a bit about the caper.
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Getting confused again with someone being good at contesting the hitout and labelled as a “tap ruck” overall. Nobody calls polly farmer a tap ruck when they refer to him, he was best known for his elite around the ground handballing skills thst revolutionised the game.

Take a chill pill your a very emotional person
 

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Hamingja said:
The thing I would say about JUH compared to Oliver for instance, is that his football trajectory as of up to the end of the last season was still going up, Oliver had dropped off significantly over the last two seasons.

JUH is the sort of talent you don't have access to outside of top 5 pick, f/s or academy.

Club would know more about his off field stuff than you or I.

If they were interested, I sure would be.
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It's also very difficult to keep an upward trajectory when you are already an outlier in terms of how good you are, i.e., you can't improve much when you are the best player in the league.

I think people understate how good Oliver was a few years ago. Back to back AFLCA player of the year in 21/22 as a 23-25yo. For context JUH turns 23 in a month.
 
I’d love to get a sniff at JUH… especially on what would almost certainly be at under market value.

It has been known for a while though that he isn’t the best person.

I remember maybe about 2 years back someone mentioned on here that they met him, run into him or something like that and they said something along the line of “JUH is one of the worst people I’ve met”.

Nothing about his outside life had ever been spoken about back then and it caught my attention.

Anyway… forward to now and whoever said that was possibly on the money and it shows JUH potentially has a serious personality issues which has gotta be hard to flip.

Still… if cheap enough, I’d have a dip.
 
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D BRIDGE said:
I’d love to get a sniff at JUH… especially on what would almost certainly be at under market value.

It has been known for a while though that he isn’t the best person.

I remember maybe about 2 years back someone mentioned on here that they met him, run into him or something like that and they said something along the line of “JUH is one of the worst people I’ve met”.

Nothing about his outside life had ever been spoken about back then and it caught my attention.

Anyway… forward to now and whoever said that was possibly on the money and it shows JUH potentially has a serious personality issues which has gotta be hard to flip.

Still… if cheap enough, I’d have a dip.
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Craig Bellamy is recognised as one of the best, most successful coaches in sport.

They interviewed him not long ago.

He, and others, attributed his, and the club's, success to a strict adherence to the motto 'character first, talent second'.

The GFC has said something similar in times by, and I hope they abide by that criteria.

Bringing people in with serious character flaws goes against that. Imo, recruiting people with any serious question on their character erodes the playing group, and the club, even if subtle and imperceptible.

Pass.
 
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D BRIDGE said:
I’d love to get a sniff at JUH… especially on what would almost certainly be at under market value.

It has been known for a while though that he isn’t the best person.

I remember maybe about 2 years back someone mentioned on here that they met him, run into him or something like that and they said something along the line of “JUH is one of the worst people I’ve met”.

Nothing about his outside life had ever been spoken about back then and it caught my attention.

Anyway… forward to now and whoever said that was possibly on the money and it shows JUH potentially has a serious personality issues which has gotta be hard to flip.

Still… if cheap enough, I’d have a dip.
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Nah, the club would be running the risk of believing their own bullshit here IMO.

There's already murmurings about Smith depending on who you talk to, and that's mainly off the back of him seemingly just being a bit of a FIGJAM.

If the rumours about JUH are in anyway true, it goes far deeper than that. He's not just a bit of a flog occasionally, he's a proper dickhead with the wrong people in his corner.

Similar to what others have said with Stengle, if he came to the club genuinely willing to change then you'd potentially consider it, but that's a big if.

On the other hand, I don't believe we should be picking up reclamation projects just because they're cheap.

Maybe in an era when we still had Selwood, Taylor, Tomahawk etc...but we’re at a bit of a crossroads now with our leadership.

The guys we'd be bringing in would become some of the more senior players, rather than the understudies to the proven leaders like we had a few years back.

Steven for instance went wrong, but in theory, he still had to answer to Selwood, Hawkins, Dangerfield, Taylor, Duncan, Ablett, etc and had them to put him on the right path.

Who would JUH be answering to? Jezza, Dangerfield, and Stewart for 18 months? You're very quickly getting into Holmes, Dempsey, Miers, Henry, Kolo, & Atkins territory after that.

It's just not the same anymore.
 
AM said:
Absolute rubbish yet again. Tap work is just part of a top rucks array. Polly Farmer was a superb tap ruck. Sam Newman claims he taught him the art. Think Polly probably had a few more strings to his bow. As does Gawn.
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I often disagree with geelong_crazy26 , but on this occasion he/she is absolutely correct. The term "tap ruck" (I nearly had a VERY unfortunate typo there) certainly refers to, or at least used to refer to, the kind of dinosaur player who was good in ruck contests and looked like a giraffe on rollerskates otherwise.

Matthew Clarke was the poster boy for this, but Spider Burton and our own Damien Bourke would probably fit the bill as well, and obviously Mark Blake.

Perhaps this terminology has started to die off, because the old-fashioned tap ruck has gone the same way as the goalsquare full forward. But that's certainly what the term used to mean 20 years ago.
 
strauchnyy said:
Absolutely we should try lure JUH. I’d back ourselves to turn him around.

Given our ladder position each year there’s just no way we ever get access to top talent, especially kpf top talent. We have to trade for them. In this instance I doubt JUH would cost us 3 x first rounders given the situation.

Jezza is entering the twilight (and more like a roaming flanker anyway) so yes, we should absolutely we should try to lure him and back our system to turn him around.

HF. Miers. Neale. Cameron
FF. stengle. JUH. Close
Bench. Henry. Mannagh
Rotating. Dempsey
Emg. Clohesy
Wild card: Martin

That’d be the most dynamic forward line in the AFL. Opposition would be shoe ding all their runs trying to plan against this
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Be very wary of the playet who has taken time away from the game. Nathan ablett was the most talented kid i ever saw and he was a shadow of himself returning. As long as JUH isn't out too long
iameviljez said:
I often disagree with geelong_crazy26 , but on this occasion he/she is absolutely correct. The term "tap ruck" (I nearly had a VERY unfortunate typo there) certainly refers to, or at least used to refer to, the kind of dinosaur player who was good in ruck contests and looked like a giraffe on rollerskates otherwise.

Matthew Clarke was the poster boy for this, but Spider Burton and our own Damien Bourke would probably fit the bill as well, and obviously Mark Blake.

Perhaps this terminology has started to die off, because the old-fashioned tap ruck has gone the same way as the goalsquare full forward. But that's certainly what the term used to mean 20 years ago.
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Nothing wrong with differing opinions iameviljez but this was my full understanding of the term and the context i have always heard it referred to also. Being labelled a tap ruck has never been a compliment in modern footy
 
geelong_crazy26 said:
Nothing wrong with differing opinions @iameviljez but this was my full understanding of the term and the context i have always heard it referred to also. Being labelled a tap ruck has never been a compliment in modern footy
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Sorry, not having a go at you for having different opinions to my own, just highlighting that if the two of us are in agreement then it's extremely likely that the knowledge/understanding is coming from somewhere reasonable.
 
iameviljez said:
Sorry, not having a go at you for having different opinions to my own, just highlighting that if the two of us are in agreement then it's extremely likely that the knowledge/understanding is coming from somewhere reasonable.
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No i meant it well. Differing opinions are good. Some people tend to get so up in arms about it
 
moond0g said:
It's also very difficult to keep an upward trajectory when you are already an outlier in terms of how good you are, i.e., you can't improve much when you are the best player in the league.

I think people understate how good Oliver was a few years ago. Back to back AFLCA player of the year in 21/22 as a 23-25yo. For context JUH turns 23 in a month.
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Key forwards take a bit longer. Anyway the point remains that JUH over the next 5 years has a much higher ceiling than Oliver. It doesn't mean he'll reach it though.
 

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I think if JUH has a rough year this year he will want a change, and our club will do their due diligence to make sure he is the right fit for the club.

While we don't always get it right (Clarke and Steven come to mind) we don't tend to bring in players who ruin the fabric of the club or the standards.
 
Hawks get knock back on linking a kid to their NGA …. a kid who has a famous Geelong surname….




Greeves trained with Hawthorn over pre-season as part of the AFL Academy program, working closely with star midfielder Will Day.

“He is probably one of the most amazing people that I’ve met,” Greeves said.

“He probably changed my perspective a little bit on the outlook of footy. He was amazing for me.”

But while the Waverley Park experience was one to remember, Greeves has family ties to rival Geelong.

He is a great nephew of Edward ‘Carji’ Greeves, the winner of the inaugural Brownlow Medal in 1924 and the man who the Cats name their best-and-fairest award after.

“The Cats’ scarf has been on me since I was born,” Greeves said

Likened to 2024 Ranges graduate and No. 7 draft pick Josh Smillie, the 192cm big-bodied onballer has taken on the Richmond draftee’s old No. 26 jumper at the Ranges this season and has kept in touch with his former teammate.

“Hopefully I can live up to half of what he’s done this year,” Greeves said of Smillie.

“He’s an amazing role model for me and he’s helped me a lot with little bits of advice for the year.”
 
Turbocat said:
Hawks get knock back on linking a kid to their NGA …. a kid who has a famous Geelong surname….




Greeves trained with Hawthorn over pre-season as part of the AFL Academy program, working closely with star midfielder Will Day.

“He is probably one of the most amazing people that I’ve met,” Greeves said.

“He probably changed my perspective a little bit on the outlook of footy. He was amazing for me.”

But while the Waverley Park experience was one to remember, Greeves has family ties to rival Geelong.

He is a great nephew of Edward ‘Carji’ Greeves, the winner of the inaugural Brownlow Medal in 1924 and the man who the Cats name their best-and-fairest award after.

“The Cats’ scarf has been on me since I was born,” Greeves said

Likened to 2024 Ranges graduate and No. 7 draft pick Josh Smillie, the 192cm big-bodied onballer has taken on the Richmond draftee’s old No. 26 jumper at the Ranges this season and has kept in touch with his former teammate.

“Hopefully I can live up to half of what he’s done this year,” Greeves said of Smillie.

“He’s an amazing role model for me and he’s helped me a lot with little bits of advice for the year.”
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Not really the point but kind of amazed there’s only one generation in between a guy born in 1903 and a kid born in 2007.
 
Cataholic said:
Craig Bellamy is recognised as one of the best, most successful coaches in sport.

They interviewed him not long ago.

He, and others, attributed his, and the club's, success to a strict adherence to the motto 'character first, talent second'.

The GFC has said something similar in times by, and I hope they abide by that criteria.

Bringing people in with serious character flaws goes against that. Imo, recruiting people with any serious question on their character erodes the playing group, and the club, even if subtle and imperceptible.

Pass.
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It is very easy to say “character first, talent second” when you have always had a team full of supremely talented players.
 

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Hinkley29 said:
It is very easy to say “character first, talent second” when you have always had a team full of supremely talented players.
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With 'supreme' talent comes a much higher risk of an inflated ego.

Not so easy to manage.

I like to think the GFC has followed this mantra somewhat, with a playing group which hasn't always been supremely talented.
 
Cataholic said:
Craig Bellamy is recognised as one of the best, most successful coaches in sport.

They interviewed him not long ago.

He, and others, attributed his, and the club's, success to a strict adherence to the motto 'character first, talent second'.

The GFC has said something similar in times by, and I hope they abide by that criteria.

Bringing people in with serious character flaws goes against that. Imo, recruiting people with any serious question on their character erodes the playing group, and the club, even if subtle and imperceptible.

Pass.
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No sure a club that got caught cheating on their salary cap (With the same coach) is a good example. Its like saying Carlton are a shining example of how a club should be run.
 
Phill Hendo said:
No sure a club that got caught cheating on their salary cap (With the same coach) is a good example. Its like saying Carlton are a shining example of how a club should be run.
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Probably shouldn't cite the GFC and Scott as examples of anything good either then I guess.

Paid a $40k fine in 2020 (?) for salary cap breaches.
 
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