Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[Mr Meow]

No 'vague warning' at all?

Just expressing my personal hope that the club is as diligent as ever if it were to pursue JUH.

I have no cause to belief they won't, but the player IS a current topic of conversation and this is a forum to discuss such things, and our opinions, hopes and concerns regarding them.

Tbf, there's really no footy to discuss right now.

It's guesswork on our behalf regarding character based due diligence of potential recruits. At least with on field stuff we have seen them play and speculation on performance can have a grounding of evidence.

Yes we can all have a disclaimer of "I hope our club is careful and makes smart decisions". We've had hits and misses with "risky" recruits in the past. I see no reason to challenge the processes that have lead to those results.

 

[Spearman]

With 'supreme' talent comes a much higher risk of an inflated ego.

Not so easy to manage.

I like to think the GFC has followed this mantra somewhat, with a playing group which hasn't always been supremely talented.

I'm a subscriber. I played team sports for 40 years. The most dominant winning team in that time was also the best group of guys I ever played with. We were proud that not a single player ever got on another's case for an error or whatever. Our standard response to a mistake was, "That's a round".
So in recent history, which supremely talented player would you absolutely no take onto the team because of the dickhead/toxicity factor?
I'm not familiar enough with the players league wide by I saw some of Fevola last year or so at CFC. He was so good, but hearing how he mocked others who wanted to train or work out would make him persona non grata in my book.

 

[Cataholic]

It's guesswork on our behalf regarding character based due diligence of potential recruits. At least with on field stuff we have seen them play and speculation on performance can have a grounding of evidence.

Yes we can all have a disclaimer of "I hope our club is careful and makes smart decisions". We've had hits and misses with "risky" recruits in the past. I see no reason to challenge the processes that have lead to those results.

Again, I haven't seen or heard anyone 'challenge' the process. It certainly hasn't been my intention to do so, or to issue a 'vague warning'.

We all have confidence in the club, but it's natural to be wary about certain things, and natural to discuss them on a forum I would've thought.

If we're going to disallow speculation on this forum, and insist on evidence, then I guess we can only talk about games and passages of play.

Anyways, I have faith in the club, I remain very cautious about JUH, and I look forward to seeing our club take the field for the first time in 2025 proper.

Play on.

 

[Mr Meow]

Again, I haven't seen or heard anyone 'challenge' the process. It certainly hasn't been my intention to do so, or to issue a 'vague warning'.

We all have confidence in the club, but it's natural to be wary about certain things, and natural to discuss them on a forum I would've thought.

If we're going to disallow speculation on this forum, and insist on evidence, then I guess we can only talk about games and passages of play.

Anyways, I have faith in the club, I remain very cautious about JUH, and I look forward to seeing our club take the field for the first time in 2025 proper.

Play on.

Fair enough. I just think it's really mirky waters when we make advisements on character grounds from the outside. Especially when we get fuelled by rumour mills. Your posts, whether intentional or not, seem to advise against selecting JUH based on character, while expressing doubt that the club would make the correct decision. If neither statement are close to your feelings, I apologise.

Your solution: to analyse on field potential based on performance, is unironically an excellent one. Then the people with all of the relevant information will assess the character bit if they see fit.

 

[Cataholic]

Fair enough. I just think it's really mirky waters when we make advisements on character grounds. Especially when we get fuelled by rumour mills. Your posts, whether intentional or not, seem to advise against selecting JUH based on character, while expressing doubt that the club would make the correct decision. If neither statement are close to your feelings, I apologise.

If my posts have given those impressions then I have not worded them well enough to accurately reflect my thoughts.

I trust the club.

I have strong reservations about JUH.

I will accept the club's decision.

 

[Mr Meow]

If my posts have given those impressions then I have not worded them well enough to accurately reflect my thoughts.

I trust the club.

I have strong reservations about JUH.

I will accept the club's decision.

Okay, so we're not far apart. The first and third statement cancel out the second for me, as they will have more relevant information than I do (from the rumour mill).

 

[Cataholic]

I'm a subscriber. I played team sports for 40 years. The most dominant winning team in that time was also the best group of guys I ever played with. We were proud that not a single player ever got on another's case for an error or whatever. Our standard response to a mistake was, "That's a round".
So in recent history, which supremely talented player would you absolutely no take onto the team because of the dickhead/toxicity factor?
I'm not familiar enough with the players league wide by I saw some of Fevola last year or so at CFC. He was so good, but hearing how he mocked others who wanted to train or work out would make him persona non grata in my book.

It's a hard one to answer without being privy to the results of the due diligence done on any player.

We're all on the outside looking in, and from there it's impossible to assess the sincerity of a player's contrition, their willingness to own mistakes, amend their ways, and repair / strengthen relationships.

The AFL has a few dickheads imo, due to young testosterone, inflated egos etc. Most probably aren't much worse than those roaming our streets, but the AFL gives them a more prominent platform.

 

[Cataholic]

Okay, so we're not far apart. The first and third statement cancel out the second for me, as they will have more relevant information than I do (from the rumour mill).

Yep, the club will clearly have far more info than us, and hence why we can only speculate and express opinion with far less.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Risk v reward with any potential draftee or recruit.

JUH wouldn't be any different.

If he is gettable then I assume we'd look deeply into him and make a call either way.

Talent/potential will obviously get players more wiggle room than others (JUH has as much as anyone).

I'd be pretty one-eyed to think that every player on our list has sublime character.

JUH might be a complete no-go though... but it'll be on us to work that out and I'd back us in to make the correct call.

 

[foxdog50]

I wonder if we will have a play at TDK... And if SDK stays will that entice TDK to come down the highway

 

[D BRIDGE]

I wonder if we will have a play at TDK... And if SDK stays will that entice TDK to come down the highway

I doubt it very much.

I remember some people on here saying a year ago when we were having a crack at him that he was basically as good as Stanley lol.

 

[Cataholic]

I wonder if we will have a play at TDK... And if SDK stays will that entice TDK to come down the highway

In light of the current audit all hell would break loose amongst other clubs if we were to snare him......which I doubt tbh.

 

[AM]

I think when people are saying "tap ruck" they mean thats their specialty. I wouldn't call Gawn a "tap ruck" I would call him an "elite ruck", or I would call other rucks a "serviceable ruck" because maybe they are good at being a link up player etc.

When people say someone is "just a tap ruck" I am thinking Mark Blake or O'Brien from Adelaide, who were great at the centre bounce taps but didn't do a whole lot else i.e weren't notable goal kickers like Ottens, or couldn't get around the ground for their marking strengths like Stanley does (sometimes).

Its like when people talk about someone as a "pressure forward" it basically means a HF or FP who's aim is to contribute pressure acts and the occasional goal. No one denies that Stengle applies a lot of pressure forward, but you wouldn't call Stengle who's strengths are kicking goals a "pressure forward".

Thanks.

The definition of a good tap/palm ruck is well-known and widely accepted in footy circles.

What kicked off the conversation was the comment that he wasn't a good tap ruckman. That's what I took exception to. Then there was a bit of arrant nonsense about me implying that's pretty much all he was.

Gawn is an extremely good all round ruck. His tap work is the best in the comp by a margin. There is no one better at positioning. His stamina is elite which is why he at gets to contests better than most. There were some games where he rucked for 80% of the game. He's a good mark and has a presence in the pack when not clunking them. For a 209cm player, he's more than competent below his knees. His kicking has improved markedly and his decision-making is very good.

His tap work has been commented on favourably by former ruckmen like John Newman and John Nicholls to ground-level players like Jimmy Bartel. Not to mention the mids who play with him like Petracca and Viney. All in the context of its importance.

You don't get All-Australian honours as the best ruckman 7 times unless your ruck craft is elite.

I have the good fortune of seeing him quite a lot as I'm an MCC member. I'm also probably a bit biased because he was recruited from the amateur club I played for and have had a bit to do with.

 

[sexyhunk]

I wonder if we will have a play at TDK... And if SDK stays will that entice TDK to come down the highway

not only do i think we dont have the room in the cap to fit him in. we dont hae enough assets to trade once carlton matches any FA offers.

 

[Hinkley29]

not only do i think we dont have the room in the cap to fit him in. we dont hae enough assets to trade once carlton matches any FA offers.

We also have more ruckmen on our list than we would ideally like. Spending big money on another one seems like a very un-Geelong kind of move.

I think it is far more likely that SDK leaves than TDK joins Geelong.

And probably more likely again that neither of those things happen.

 

[sexyhunk]

We also have more ruckmen on our list than we would ideally like. Spending big money on another one seems like a very un-Geelong kind of move.

I think it is far more likely that SDK leaves than TDK joins Geelong.

And probably more likely again that neither of those things happen.

i also think SDK will go north, what pciks/player we get depend on how well he goes this year.

 

[And_ROOS]

Thanks.

The definition of a good tap/palm ruck is well-known and widely accepted in footy circles.

What kicked off the conversation was the comment that he wasn't a good tap ruckman. That's what I took exception to. Then there was a bit of arrant nonsense about me implying that's pretty much all he was.

Gawn is an extremely good all round ruck. His tap work is the best in the comp by a margin. There is no one better at positioning. His stamina is elite which is why he at gets to contests better than most. There were some games where he rucked for 80% of the game. He's a good mark and has a presence in the pack when not clunking them. For a 209cm player, he's more than competent below his knees. His kicking has improved markedly and his decision-making is very good.

His tap work has been commented on favourably by former ruckmen like John Newman and John Nicholls to ground-level players like Jimmy Bartel. Not to mention the mids who play with him like Petracca and Viney. All in the context of its importance.

You don't get All-Australian honours as the best ruckman 7 times unless your ruck craft is elite.

I have the good fortune of seeing him quite a lot as I'm an MCC member. I'm also probably a bit biased because he was recruited from the amateur club I played for and have had a bit to do with.

Its funny how certain positions have these funny little tags. I grew up with a ruck coach who was excellent, and I learned a lot from him and he used to show me footage etc to improve my game from u12s til senior footy, and he always wondered why we had a niche "tap ruck" i.e Mark Blake, but we didn't have "power ruck" which for his example was Corey McKernan.
When I asked what made someone a power ruck, he said it was "always punches the ball in the ruck, constantly pushes forwards for goals".
Small forward and pressure forward took off as tags, but a medium forward (i.e OHenry or Toby Greene) are usually talked about being undersized key forwards or "playing tall".
And for a short while when guys like Joel Corey emerged, people spoke about "tall midfielders" but they are so common now its not worth mentioning.

 

[iameviljez]

Its funny how certain positions have these funny little tags. I grew up with a ruck coach who was excellent, and I learned a lot from him and he used to show me footage etc to improve my game from u12s til senior footy, and he always wondered why we had a niche "tap ruck" i.e Mark Blake, but we didn't have "power ruck" which for his example was Corey McKernan.
When I asked what made someone a power ruck, he said it was "always punches the ball in the ruck, constantly pushes forwards for goals".

Probably because Blake played for a packet of chips and there was no contest for his signature...

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Risk v reward with any potential draftee or recruit.

JUH wouldn't be any different.

If he is gettable then I assume we'd look deeply into him and make a call either way.

Talent/potential will obviously get players more wiggle room than others (JUH has as much as anyone).

I'd be pretty one-eyed to think that every player on our list has sublime character.

JUH might be a complete no-go though... but it'll be on us to work that out and I'd back us in to make the correct call.

What has been confirmed and or rumoured with him ??

 

[cats_09]

 

[Smurph18]

I'd take JUH, but I think the lad needs to get himself out of Victoria completely. If he's hanging about with the wrong crowd, going just down the road to Geelong wont stop him from hanging out with them. Have a feeling he will end up at Sydney.

 

[And_ROOS]

I'd take JUH, but I think the lad needs to get himself out of Victoria completely. If he's hanging about with the wrong crowd, going just down the road to Geelong wont stop him from hanging out with them. Have a feeling he will end up at Sydney.

Then I suggest a fair trade,
JUH to Sydney,
Heeney to Geelong,
Whatever pick we end up with this season to the Bulldogs.

 

[cats_09]

Then I suggest a fair trade,
JUH to Sydney,
Heeney to Geelong,
Whatever pick we end up with this season to the Bulldogs.

Can we get Warner instead?

 

[Vdubs]

Can we get Warner instead?

Or Gulden?
Any of that trio...

hope he has full recovery from that nasty ankle fracture

 

[Turbocat]

In light of the current audit all hell would break loose amongst other clubs if we were to snare him......which I doubt tbh.

Unless some wrong doing is exposed …it seems very tactical that this focus that has been brought about.. by groups unnamed that are unhappy with our ability to recruit and not fall to the foot of the ladder. It immediately makes it harder for us to look at any player. Not just Reid but Rowell or whoever we look at at years end will bring a hotter focus now.

If what we are doing has been all ticked of by the AFL and we have been pushing the boundaries but all legal and approved then the complainants have probably been very clever … its now made it a little harder to bring in players and how can we properly defend ourselves without a public declaration of player payments.