Autopsy 2025 Rd 1 Most Embarrassing Loss in Years

[CCurnow3picks]

Haynes... What's Plowman up to these days?

Haynes game last night will go into folklore as one of the worst debuts in club history.

On a different level to Plow.

 

[ETET]

You know what looked shocking. Evans kicking his first goal off Williams fingers and Williams throwing a tantrum in the goal square.

The quicker we are free from his contract the better.

Yep, screamed of self preservation.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Exactly.

We had a piss poor finish to the season last year. We’ve had 5 months to reset, work on basic skills, improve game plan and ball movement, and affirm Non-Negotiables.

What we served up last night just felt like a continuation of the crap style and effort put out in the second half of last year, and is an indictment on the players and the coaches.

Well... I did say this a few days ago:

The loud music during training...

Reminds me of Rocky 3 when he trained for his first fight against Clubber Lang... it didn't turn out too well for Rock...

 

[ETET]

Evans does not provide either goal scoring ability or forward tackling pressure. If he is selected next week ahead of Moir, who can at least provide the goal scoring ability, then we are entitled to further question the match committee.

 

[Bletch]

Evans does not provide either goal scoring ability or forward tackling pressure. If he is selected next week ahead of Moir, who can at least provide the goal scoring ability, then we are entitled to further question the match committee.

Moir is no chance based on what he's doing in the Reserves match today.

 

[bigblueboy]

Lucas Camporeale was pretty good

He had a crack. Turned the ball over a lot.

 

[ETET]

Moir is no chance based on what he's doing in the Reserves match today.

oh...is it effort, is it desire...or is it fitness? what's happening?

 

[katmanblue]

My most disappointing from last night was Motlop.

Only if you were expecting better.

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[bigm386]

I wonder if the players will still run through a wall for Vossy.

Because they seem to not give a shit about playing for him or the jumper.

 

[katmanblue]

I went to at least 12 training sessions over summer. Vast majority was match sim. List of it

It was good and they worked hard but there certainly was wasn’t the pressure of a game

Would have been better off using every single one as a skill session.

We just don't do the basics well.

2m handballs shouldn't miss the target. 20m kicks shouldn't miss by 15m.

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[katmanblue]

Walsh didn't look fit to me, stated as much when I want to the last open training. Whats more disappointing is that he has the same intent in just banging the ball long, more than any of our mids last night. Tough call to drop him, absolutely, but while he had a crack, I thought he was selfish

I'd also let Harry know that he has 1 more week to show more commitment in attacking the ball and contest, was pushed off the ball way to easy

Ollie isn't a HB, defensively poor and doesn't have the ball use for that role, Voss needs to put him back on wing rotations and bring Boyd in.

Voss can't play any of our mids starting at HF, none have the nous to play that role

So, right now, I would drop Motlop, purely based on poor team ethos acts, one of Walsh or Harry would be a strong consideration



The brains behind that flag would surprise many, but thats not to say we can't change our assistants. I'm looking at Hamill here as a start

How is that different to how Walsh has always played? He doesn't make it easier for teammates. Never has.

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[Worm4]

6 votes for Jesse Motlop in the poll. Are they taking this piss or what ?
Is as soft as they come

 

[Beyond Blue]

Lord had 2 disposals and 1 tackle in the 35-40 minutes before he was subbed out. Don’t know whether he was sore or what the deal was, but he was fading

He does not have the fitness to play primary midfielder minutes and he can’t play a second position. He needs time in the 2s to build his tank. Just another example of shocking player development.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

I’m looking into getting a Storm membership. I hate rugby but at least it’ll be nice to feel what being attached to a successful club feels like..

I've been a Storm member since they entered the NRL....believe me, they keep you sane at times as a Blues supporter.

 

[Aphrodite]

6 votes for Jesse Motlop in the poll. Are they taking this piss or what ?
Is as soft as they come

Mainly opposition trolls (2 of ours voted)

Unfortunately it's a public vote.

 

[katmanblue]

The other 'passage' that infuriated me no end and occurred before the rot really set in was Walsh out the back of a stoppage about 65m out from our defensive goal. He had runners clear both sides of him and short kicks to the attacking side of the contest AND no immediate pressure. But he turned side on and heaved a hack dump kick forward....?

Like....?!?

Standard.

Or when Motlop was in a paddock 30m out for a good 15seconds and got ignored for the long bomb to Harry and 3 defenders. Might have been Williams with ball in hand.

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[Fabab]

We have taken some ordinary players from gws but last night Haynes was a new low ,didn't even appear to be an AFL level player.

 

[GoBlues!]

Games are won or lost in the middle....

Our midfield - TDK, Cripps, Hewett, Walsh, Cerra, Lord... with a few cameos.

Crippa was Crippa, TDK was just ok (average for a million dollar man), kicked very poorly and let Nank take too many marks forward.

The rest - a f'n disgrace.

Midfield are critical to winning games but fmd our forward line was impotent to non existent after the second quarter 4flags.

Half way through the second quarter the score was 7.6 to 1.1 and we’re up by 41 points. At the end we could only manage a further 2 goals in two and a half quarters, to their 12 goals to finish 9.15 to 13.4.

Our forward line was rubbish last night. I’d expect to see JSOS back up forward with Charlie to give the team more purpose and confidence that the great work in getting it forward doesn’t break down at the half forward line like it did yesterday.

 

[DangerousD]

In Voss’s first year he started slowly and then got into a role and made a preliminary final with a manic contested game style. It worked.

Since then we have rarely put 4 quarters together

What has happened?

In his first season we were in the top 8 every day of the season bar 1, the very last match of the very last round, if i recall we lost our last 5 games to miss the 8 by a whisker of %.

In our second year we started poorly were about 14th on the ladder half way through the year and went on a great run and possibly should have gone one win better.

Last year we started well but fell away terribly at the end finishing with i think 6 losses in the last 7-8 matches.

There’s a constant here in all three seasons, large blocks of game where the team falls in a heap, the great run of form in 2023 is glossing over a lot of issues and giving Voss a bit of leeway im not sure he deserves.

 

[bigblueboy]

Genuinely believe our biggest issues are cultural. Sure we can improve skills/game plan etc but those things tend to happen more often and more successfully if everyone is buying into the bigger picture.

Club leaders not being tough enough on each other - on and off the field.
The next tier not prepared to become leaders
The lack of accountability for poor performance
The selection of players based on preferred attributes rather than performance
A list unbalanced by large contracts/long tenures for players who don’t perform consistently

Good clubs don’t need to have a Curnow farm weekend to generate a team ethos - it comes from a consistent approach to values within the playing group.
I wonder if the players have, or are prepared to take, ownership of this?

 

[gbatman]

I went to at least 12 training sessions over summer. Vast majority was match sim. List of it

It was good and they worked hard but there certainly was wasn’t the pressure of a game

Unfortunately Richmond are leagues better than the orange team in match sim.

Carlton are a slow list so no one gets exposed in match sim. Carlton can not expose Carlton because the pace is not there and the lack of forwards doesn't really show up due to the level. Come up against any side with a little leg speed and the witches hats come out.

I think the main issue last night was the complete lack of forwards. Yeah our makeshift bunch of forwards are going to star in match sim playing against VFL level defenders in low intensity footy. Reality is Cottrell and Fogarty aren't forwards, they are failed midfielders being made to fit and the list is not talented enough to force them out. Williams is a failed half back who kicked a few goals at the end of last year and whether he is a genuine forward or not is still pending. Evans is genuine VFL level. Motlop doesn't really look like a forward to me, more of a midfielder who is not fit enough to play in the midfield but has some forward traits. Kemp is an experiment that may yet work.

Losing Cuningham, Martin and Owies. They all had the ability to play forward between the ears which the others do not and so far they have not been replaced by equally talented players or better. But they probably had to go. Docherty and Cincotta are not forwards either. E Hollands is somewhat of a forward but who knows whether we see him again. Durdin looked good back in 2022 but has done nothing since. Perhaps his body is cooked, who knows.

The idea you can just plonk anyone who can half play and teach them to play forward doesn't work. Which is what we have gone with. Forwards are born with it, they have a particular way they read the game that is different to players in other areas of the field. We have failed to accept this and recruit accordingly. Forwards also have a broader skill set. Pace, agility, ball handling, good below the knees and overhead. Too many of our bunch have no overhead game at all and all of them lack genuine pace.

I've been saying it for a while now but going into next year there will be a big list clean out and we will be going very hard at recruiting forwards. I just hope we can get it right.

We have a fair bit of work to do in regards to building our list. Unfortunately both the Silvagni and Austin lead recruitment teams have failed horribly when it comes to being able to identify and recruit forward talent.

Lack of pace in the midfield is on them as well. They have had plenty of time and continued to recruit average to slow paced players. That is on the coach for his poor direction and the recruiters.

Poor kicking to our forwards and slow ball movement is on the players and possibly coaches but a lot of it has to do with the quality of players forward of the ball as well.

Hawthorn could make a real mess of us next week. We really really need Curnow, McKay and some others to step up.

 

[Arr0w]

Of course it is. Confident players don't make mistakes at the rate we do. The odd skill error is not a coaches fault. It becomes their responsibility when it's a pattern. It's been a pattern. His refusal to focus on fundamentals, cohesion, calm and confidence lead to abysmally poor executions on the field.

That sort of argument you've provided is just an exaggeration. Haynes was and has shown to be a ****ing freak of an intercept mark. Marking is not an age defined skill, skills don't evaporate. They can decay and they decay faster without attention, but more importantly mental state - panic, confusions etc readily destroy the skill executions in game. Which is what we saw and what is most controllable by the coach seeing as it's his training that sets up the game days. It's his program.

Train how you play is the oldest adage in any sport.

Haynes has poor, even though he is declining as a player

Whether you are 17 or 37, as a team dropping so many easy chest marks, 5 metre handballs or simple 20 metre kicks to open players is not coaching

Where Voss needs to take responsibility, is now making a statement on guys that are selfish and lazy

Yes and understand what you are saying. But what have they been doing for the last 4 years if not setting non-negotiables

As the game changes, so does the items of focus, but if we haven't put these in place before the start of the season or we have and players are ignoring them, it still comes back to Voss and the coaches

 

[Bluesince62]

I’ve seen some embarrassing losses in the last 25 years but last night was truly memorable. I left the ground at 3/4 time with season 2025 already over. If it was later in the season you could maybe put it down to lack of depth but round 1 !

I thought hiring Cook was the catalyst to the beginning of a new great era at Carlton. Now he’s going and we’re going nowhere. I really don’t know what is the missing link.

Do we need a new sports psych ?

 

[Graffy4242]

Just burn the place down...........................

 

[bigblueboy]

It took all of three quarters for Voss to be back on the boundary line after agreeing he should coach from the box.