Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVII

[macky99]

Yes these things can be viewed through different lenses.

If we win games of footy and at the same time find 3-4 long term young players that is a positive outcome, however if we turn the season around with the same group l believe that is going to gloss over coaching & list issues & we will remain a mid tier team.

But pretty sure with Wright coming in change will be effected.

 

[Broadside]

Yes, we’ve played some good sides. It certainly doesn’t help that it seems EVERY single team we play, they are ‘on’. When’s the last time our opponent showed up not switched on? Their pressure is always through the roof.

Every side in the comp knows that no matter the score line they’re never out of the game against Carlton. We’ve made it very very hard for ourselves.

 

[Magruder]

Every side in the comp knows that no matter the score line they’re never out of the game against Carlton. We’ve made it very very hard for ourselves.

Agreed.

Only way to counter that is to start putting opponents away.

Lead, get challenged, respond and kick away.

And do it for months.

Are we capable?

 

[SurreyBlue]

Agreed, we’d be 1-3 rather than 0-4 with a win against a team that isn’t worth much at all, but it certainly set the tone for what has since unfolded and continues to unfold. While beating WCE this week proves nothing longer term, it would at least be a short term circuit breaker. And if we lose to WCE…

The best we can hope for, is the players decide to play and we start producing wins. This would allow Wright to make changes at the end of the year.
The worst case scenario, we lose to WC because the players play dead and Voss is sacked. We then have an interim coach with our ‘special’ assistance running the ship and we have no round 1 pick. Disaster!

 

[bringdoullback]

He'd improve us short term... but not by much. The way we play, he will need to hit unrealistic targets consistently. Not gonna happen. Our midfield are incapable of working into space and providing options... watch them at the ground they just stand there, or jog around.

I genuinely believe we'd still be sitting 0-4 and having given up top draft picks for another 28 year old... I'm convinced we'd be worse off long term.

The price was too high for Houston, was not arguing with decision.

My point, was more so that blaming only Voss for all our woes and lamenting our turnover game is ignorant of the list.

Some posted it earlier but if you simply look at our best players and compare their performance when we were 2nd versus now, it's clear.

Performing at same level
Tdk, weitering, and arguably cerra amd Hewett.

Performing below.
CC, Harry, Cripps, Acres

Missing
Owies
Elija

 

[Michael Jezz]

I can for see a turnaround similar to our 1978 season - where we were about 1-5 at round six.

Not Sure Docherty, Walsh, Acres Mcgovern are equivalent to Jezza, Doull, Southby, Austin, Keogh, Mckay, Armstrong, Jones.
Also 78 side backed youth harmes, buckley, Mconville, Sheldon
AND SPEED. 1978 side could run sides off the park.
Your comparison is valid, we should take risks at selection and back kids in who have flare and or speed; Carrol, Moir, White

 

[Blue_Fusion]

The price was too high for Houston, was not arguing with decision.

My point, was more so that blaming only Voss for all our woes and lamenting our turnover game is ignorant of the list.

Some posted it earlier but if you simply look at our best players and compare their performance when we were 2nd versus now, it's clear.

Performing at same level
Tdk, weitering, and arguably cerra amd Hewett.

Performing below.
CC, Harry, Cripps, Acres

Missing
Owies
Elija

I haven't seen one single person on here blame only Voss for our situation...

But, he does have a big part in it. As head coach, he is involved with all of the following:

• gameplan
• recruiting
• selection
• motivation
• development

The players are going out there and playing a game that is based primarily on his instruction. If they aren't, he's lost the players.

The list manager is drafting and chasing the types that he is after for the most part.

The decision regarding the players being selected to play each week are driven by him.

The attitude and intent the players display out there and in training is instilled by him.

Player development, a huge part of coaching... how many have improved since he took over?

But you're right, players have to be held accountable for the rubbish they've served as well.

 

[JustaBattler]

I haven't seen one single person on here blame only Voss for our situation...

But, he does have a big part in it. As head coach, he is involved with all of the following:

• gameplan
• recruiting
• selection
• motivation
• development

The players are going out there and playing a game that is based primarily on his instruction. If they aren't, he's lost the players.

The list manager is drafting and chasing the types that he is after for the most part.

The decision regarding the players being selected to play each week are driven by him.

The attitude and intent the players display out there and in training is instilled by him.

Player development, a huge part of coaching... how many have improved since he took over?

But you're right, players have to be held accountable for the rubbish they've served as well.

I think Voss is a team player and has followed orders and instruictions from hsi bosses and allowed his assistants to do their jobs as well and unliek the rest of these uselss spuds - has fronted the media week in week out and pizzed orf 'supporters' by focussing on the marketing messages he is instructed to deliver- memebershiop attendance arisne repeat.

Still - keep this playing list and all the back room idjots that decide a coach cant pick jhis own assistants and give up two first rounders for a messiah and get rid of two players who played every game in 2024 etc etc etc etc

SaCK vOsS!

same 3 year cycle at Carlton - palyers are all superstars nd the only reason they dont play wel is becaiuse tehir coach is a dud.

Meanwhile the same overpaid underperforming players sit there and see 4-5 coaches out the door...champions all of them

wakey wakey!

 

[agro]

Not Sure Docherty, Walsh, Acres Mcgovern are equivalent to Jezza, Doull, Southby, Austin, Keogh, Mckay, Armstrong, Jones.
Also 78 side backed youth harmes, buckley, Mconville, Sheldon
AND SPEED. 1978 side could run sides off the park.
Your comparison is valid, we should take risks at selection and back kids in who have flare and or speed; Carrol, Moir, White

Their is no valid comparison because the list is clearly not the equivalent and a coach of the likes of Jesaulenko is unlikely to be appointed for Round 7 - however the cultural reference may be missed on members/supporters born after 1980, but hopes springs eternal, lets keep a positive outlook shall we.

 

[Flaggers22]

I haven't seen one single person on here blame only Voss for our situation...

But, he does have a big part in it. As head coach, he is involved with all of the following:

• gameplan
• recruiting
• selection
• motivation
• development

Great post, I think other posters are sometimes losing sight on this - especially the people clamouring for Austin's head. There is no single player or administrator who has more bearing on performance than the head coach. If you think the list is terrible, well Voss has been the driving force behind quite a few list calls. He's not as involved as some other senior coaches, and obviously Agresta, Austin etc. are behind most of the decision making, but he certainly deserves a cut of the blame.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I think Voss is a team player and has followed orders and instruictions from hsi bosses and allowed his assistants to do their jobs as well and unliek the rest of these uselss spuds - has fronted the media week in week out and pizzed orf 'supporters' by focussing on the marketing messages he is instructed to deliver- memebershiop attendance arisne repeat.

Still - keep this playing list and all the back room idjots that decide a coach cant pick jhis own assistants and give up two first rounders for a messiah and get rid of two players who played every game in 2024 etc etc etc etc

SaCK vOsS!

same 3 year cycle at Carlton - palyers are all superstars nd the only reason they dont play wel is becaiuse tehir coach is a dud.

Meanwhile the same overpaid underperforming players sit there and see 4-5 coaches out the door...champions all of them

wakey wakey!

I'll ask you, let's see if you can answer these...

Who on here said Voss is the ONLY reason they don't play well?

How do you know Voss had no say in who his assistants are?

Who is calling Jagga Smith a messiah?

Allow the assistants to do their jobs? Does that mean you think he just lets them instruct their respective group however they please? He has no say in it? That's like putting a fly screen on a submarine...

fwiw, I agree we have way too many overpaid underperforming players and have been all for a reset this off season. I'm happy to get rid of the majority of them while they're still worth something and start over... the longer we wait the harder it's going to be...

 

[95blues]

I think Voss is a team player and has followed orders and instruictions from hsi bosses and allowed his assistants to do their jobs as well and unliek the rest of these uselss spuds - has fronted the media week in week out and pizzed orf 'supporters' by focussing on the marketing messages he is instructed to deliver- memebershiop attendance arisne repeat.

Still - keep this playing list and all the back room idjots that decide a coach cant pick jhis own assistants and give up two first rounders for a messiah and get rid of two players who played every game in 2024 etc etc etc etc

SaCK vOsS!

same 3 year cycle at Carlton - palyers are all superstars nd the only reason they dont play wel is becaiuse tehir coach is a dud.

Meanwhile the same overpaid underperforming players sit there and see 4-5 coaches out the door...champions all of them

wakey wakey!

Wonder how Cripps/Curnow/Weits/Walsh/Harrys win/loss record compares to Vossys at Carlton.

 

[Aphrodite]

What ODD Bluemours!

 

[Kruezing]

Agreed.

Only way to counter that is to start putting opponents away.

Lead, get challenged, respond and kick away.

And do it for months.

Are we capable?

Is this a rhetorical question?

 

[Bletch]

What ODD Bluemours!

Bluemour? Bluemour? Bluemour?

 

[passmark]

We won't finish bottom 4.

there’s a position below 18th?

 

[passmark]

I can for see a turnaround similar to our 1978 season - where we were about 1-5 at round six.

Is Crippa gunna captain/coach?

 

[swuzzlebubble]

I haven't seen one single person on here blame only Voss for our situation

Think I've seen one or two

The players are going out there and playing a game that is based primarily on his instruction. If they aren't, he's lost the players

Skill execution has been woeful. But there are issues with the plan.

The list manager is drafting and chasing the types that he is after for the most part

We don't know for sure. Eg Voss reportedly wanted Houston but didn't get his wish.

The decision regarding the players being selected to play each week are driven by him

True. He perhaps has too much faith in the A team but as we saw with Moir there is some justification. Frustrating when underdone guys come back from injury too soon though.

The attitude and intent the players display out there and in training is instilled by him

We're lacking confidence and momentum more so than "effort".

Player development, a huge part of coaching... how many have improved since he took over?

Compared to under Teague I'd say TDK Cripps Curnow and a few others but we haven't seen the best of them so far this season

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Think I've seen one or two

And that warrants a rant? One or two people on here who are most likely troll accounts? How easily triggered are people getting these days?

Skill execution has been woeful. But there are issues with the plan.

Exactly.

We don't know for sure. Eg Voss reportedly wanted Houston but didn't get his wish.

But he wanted durable gut runners like Hollands and Binns...

True. He perhaps has too much faith in the A team but as we saw with Moir there is some justification. Frustrating when underdone guys come back from injury too soon though.

Selecting Moir is the least of the issues... first of all, our entries were minimal by the time Moir was subbed in and they were for the most part shit house.

The real blunders happened last year slotting Cerra and Cottrell straight in after lengthy spells and dropping Hewett and subbing Owies... then there was the Kennedy sub in the ef... among quite a few others...

We're lacking confidence and momentum more so than "effort".

Confidence is something the coach also has to instill...

Compared to under Teague I'd say TDK Cripps Curnow and a few others but we haven't seen the best of them so far this season

And is that even down to Voss or natural progression? Charlie hardly played under Teague, TDK still green... really only could argue Cripps out of those 3.

 

[JustaBattler]

Wonder how Cripps/Curnow/Weits/Walsh/Harrys win/loss record compares to Vossys at Carlton.

leaving aside the DNA of losing they all have - think about any coach having to carry the injury mess they inherited from a WINDOW OPEN TO WIN A PREMIER LIST BS floated around by marketing department


Docherty
Martin
Cuningham
Marchbank
Williams
Walsh
Cerra
Silvagni
Durdin big
Durdin small
Motlop
Cottrell
Pittonet
Fogarty

All the bolded have had close to or much MORE than a year off with injury during Voss's coaching time at Carlton ie >30% of the whole time ..

We are now leaving playing injury zone and embracing personal leaves space. on top of this mess.

I feel sorry for next idiot stupid enough to attempt to coach at Carlton with this TOP$ list with premiership window open...that cant hold a 40 poitn lead to beat RIchmond FFS

just LOLS.

 

[JustaBattler]

I'll ask you, let's see if you can answer these...

Who on here said Voss is the ONLY reason they don't play well?

How do you know Voss had no say in who his assistants are?

Who is calling Jagga Smith a messiah?

Allow the assistants to do their jobs? Does that mean you think he just lets them instruct their respective group however they please? He has no say in it? That's like putting a fly screen on a submarine...

fwiw, I agree we have way too many overpaid underperforming players and have been all for a reset this off season. I'm happy to get rid of the majority of them while they're still worth something and start over... the longer we wait the harder it's going to be...

Plenty have blamed Voss for everythign on here either directly - or ( like you) by insinuation. I giuess it is better to adopt this approach than actually go through the list and see what teh palyers actually do week in week out against opposiiton - when they arent taking personal leave or perennially injured.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Is Crippa gunna captain/coach?

Cripps’ dangerously close to having a 3rd coach sacked under his captaincy.

Love him to absolute bits, but I’m just putting that out there.

 

[jj1978]

Cripps’ dangerously close to having a 3rd coach sacked under his captaincy.

Love him to absolute bits, but I’m just putting that out there.

Cripps had no beef with Bolton, nor so far towards Voss (2 Brownlows). Teague and Mick buried themselves.

Weiters is the interesting one. Really seems to love Voss.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Cripps’ dangerously close to having a 3rd coach sacked under his captaincy.

Love him to absolute bits, but I’m just putting that out there.

Yeh it might be shooting Bambi but has crossed my mind. Have previously heard rumours of an ‘inner circle’ of players existing at the Blues ???


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[CarmenSandiego]

Cripps had no beef with Bolton, nor so far towards Voss (2 Brownlows). Teague and Mick buried themselves.

Weiters is the interesting one. Really seems to love Voss.

Wouldn’t have a clue on the ins and outs & his relationships with the coaches.

But the fact is, this would be a 3rd sacked coach under his captaincy. Has that ever happened before, at any club?