Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[Hinkley29]

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On a different point: the talk about who we might be chasing - at least three or four of the comp's most elite mids, its highest profile free agent - means that anyone who is seriously wanting to get to Geelong knows that they can't afford to hang out for too long or for too much money, because there are very tempting alternatives that are queued up to land at Avalon any time the control tower says yes.

On this last point, I agree to some degree. This would apply to Butters and Rowell and TDK and any other very good player. There are alternatives to those players.

But it doesn’t apply to Reid. There are no other 20 year old Harley Reid’s out there. He is his own separate market.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

They wouldn’t have the money for that and wouldn’t want the risk of the deal falling through.
If it’s the saints godfather offer it gives the blues no other option than to take the compo

Yes they would. If it's like an 8 year deal you just stack 2mil a year or more in years 6-8 when they will have barely anyone contracted except curnow. This is what gws did with Cameron to allow them to match even though in reality they didn't really have the cap room.
If it's a top 5 pick they won't match but otherwise they will to either keep him or extract st kildas round 1 plus more.

Now if st kilda changed tack and offered him something silly like 2.8 Mil a year on a 3 year deal then they wouldn't match as it would stuff their cap next year. But If it's a long term deal they match unless they are right at the bottom.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Yes they would. If it's like an 8 year deal you just stack 2mil a year or more in years 6-8 when they will have barely anyone contracted except curnow. This is what gws did with Cameron to allow them to match even though in reality they didn't really have the cap room.
If it's a top 5 pick they won't match but otherwise they will to either keep him or extract st kildas round 1 plus more.

Now if st kilda changed tack and offered him something silly like 2.8 Mil a year on a 3 year deal then they wouldn't match as it would stuff their cap next year. But If it's a long term deal they match unless they are right at the bottom.

So you think Carlton are trying to short change TDK and offering him way much less and when push comes to shove they blink and pay much more?

I'm not saying they are not... But if they are saying "this current offer is our best etc" and all of a sudden find an extra 500k per year for him... I'd find that a tad disrespectful of the Blues.

If they do really want to keep him (which surely they do) they will probably find a little more before FA happens.

TDK is in a good position to cash in either way I guess.

Time will tell... See what happens.

 

[Taper]

I have been reading this thread for ages, and I keep reading posts along the lines of “Reid is unproven” “I’d prefer butters or Rowell” now it’s “I’d prefer tdk”…..

Are you people all forgetting that Reid is 19 years old? A generational midfield prospect who is 19 years old? Who just came off a season where he was being compared to Dustin Martin (without the yob insinuations).

If we got him in the next 18 months we would have him for 12 years.

There is almost no price too high for that. He is worth so much more than butters or Rowell or tdk or take your pick of any player that we have a remote chance of getting.

He is the most valuable asset in the league right now.

What about Aaron Cadman?
Would be the perfect replacement for Cameron and a long term partner for Neale.
I would prefer Cadman over Reid because midfielders are dime a dozen, while key forwards don't grow on trees and are hard to get.

Look at Collingwood who haven't had a quality key forward since Cloke, and Hawthorn who haven't had one since Roughead.
This is despite them being the two most successful Melbourne based clubs in the modern era.

 

[cats_09]

So you think Carlton are trying to short change TDK and offering him way much less and when push comes to shove they blink and pay much more?

I'm not saying they are not... But if they are saying "this current offer is our best etc" and all of a sudden find an extra 500k per year for him... I'd find that a tad disrespectful of the Blues.

If they do really want to keep him (which surely they do) they will probably find a little more before FA happens.

TDK is in a good position to cash in either way I guess.

Time will tell... See what happens.

That's why I'd love to see a condition added to RFA (if they want to retain that) where the current club has to provide to the AFL, the terms of the best deal they offered to they player prior to the player opting to exercise their FA rights

If as a club your only willing to offer the player $900k per season, they decline and exercise their FA rights where their chosen club has instead offered them $1 million per season, the original club shouldn't then be permitted to match an offer they weren't willing to original offer

 

[iameviljez]

That's why I'd love to see a condition added to RFA (if they want to retain that) where the current club has to provide to the AFL, the terms of the best deal they offered to they player prior to the player opting to exercise their FA rights

If as a club your only willing to offer the player $900k per season, they decline and exercise their FA rights where their chosen club has instead offered them $1 million per season, the original club shouldn't then be permitted to match an offer they weren't willing to original offer

Yeah, the "matching" has just become a straight-out joke.

 

[cats_09]

Yeah, the "matching" has just become a straight-out joke.

You shouldn't be permitted to match what you weren't willing to offer

 

[Pure_Ownage]

So you think Carlton are trying to short change TDK and offering him way much less and when push comes to shove they blink and pay much more?

I'm not saying they are not... But if they are saying "this current offer is our best etc" and all of a sudden find an extra 500k per year for him... I'd find that a tad disrespectful of the Blues.

If they do really want to keep him (which surely they do) they will probably find a little more before FA happens.

TDK is in a good position to cash in either way I guess.

Time will tell... See what happens.

Of course they are. They want to keep him for as little as they can due to other cap pressures and not wanting to lose other players. But if push comes to shove they will 'artificially match' (I call what gws did with jezza this) either because a) they think he will take the extra money and stay or b) because they know st kilda are desperate and they can extract more in a trade.

Either way unless the compo pick would be top 5 we haven't got a hope of them letting tdk through to us I wouldn't have thought.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Yeah, the "matching" has just become a straight-out joke.

I agree but it's still legal and Carlton would be dumb not to do it.

 

[cats_09]

 

[Hinkley29]

What about Aaron Cadman?
Would be the perfect replacement for Cameron and a long term partner for Neale.
I would prefer Cadman over Reid because midfielders are dime a dozen, while key forwards don't grow on trees and are hard to get.

Look at Collingwood who haven't had a quality key forward since Cloke, and Hawthorn who haven't had one since Roughead.
This is despite them being the two most successful Melbourne based clubs in the modern era.

I like Cadman, but his development has been steady at best. That is not unexpected given the normal growth curve for young key forwards, but you would not want to give up a huge price for him. If he wasn’t such a high draft pick, I doubt he would be on anyone’s radar.

And if you had a choice between Reid and Cadman it is really no choice. You would choose Reid 100 times out of 100. I get the whole “key forwards are harder to get than midfielders”, but a midfielder like Reid is MUCH harder to find than a key forward as good as Cadman.

 

[FishGutz]

Thanks for sharing.

Can only assume TDK has told Carlton that he's spoken with Geelong, and wonder if he's just using the fact he's had a conversation with another club, Geelong's reputation, and his brother already being at the GFC as a way to pressure Carlton?

I believe more likely to be his manager.

 

[Cataholic]

Danger gets decapitated.

 

[FishGutz]

I don’t know why every time Reid gets brought up that Rowell and Butters get brought up as “cheap” options. Butters would cost the same as Reid. And Rowell not far off. Plus, the biggest part is convincing a player to nominate your club. At the moment Reid has shown the strongest indication. The better Gold Coast perform, the trickier it will be. And most people are expecting Butters to honour his contract and to get home out of Port as a “pre-agent” would cost the same regardless as he’s still contracted. It’s such a moot point. If we were able to get Reid in and then focus on Butters as a true free agent… doesn’t that sound so much better…?

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

I don’t know every time Reid gets brought up that Rowell and Butters get brought up as “cheap” options. Butters would cost the same as Reid. And Rowell not far off. Plus, the biggest part is convincing a player to nominate your club. At the moment Reid has shown the strongest indication. The better Gold Coast perform, the trickier it will be. And most people are expecting Butters to honour his contract and to get home out of Port as a “pre-agent” would cost the same regardless as he’s still contracted. It’s such a moot point. If we were able to get Reid in and then focus on Butters as a true free agent… doesn’t that sound so much better…?

That's what I hope happens. Reid for whatever picks it takes and then Butters next year as an RFA.

 

[Kyuss]

We need to move heaven and earth to improve our paper thin midfield.

 

[Kitcat]

Poor recruiting effort to only take on Smith, when we have a very weak midfield. Players like McRae and Kennedy were obviously not good enough for us. Then again, perhaps they have a plan for next year to recruit one of those big names in the midfield.

 

[Interdimensional Bigfoot]

Poor recruiting effort to only take on Smith, when we have a very weak midfield. Players like McRae and Kennedy were obviously not good enough for us. Then again, perhaps they have a plan for next year to recruit one of those big names in the midfield.

Smith has been amazing for us and playing well above expectations. We've needed a mid and ruck for sometime now.

 

[D BRIDGE]

We need to move heaven and earth to improve our paper thin midfield.

It is a must!

We have nothing coming through and would need to get lucky and recruit a very good mid with a pick outside 10 in the draft.

If we don't recruit one, we will be stuck with what we have, which already isn't enough and will be minus the Danger option soon.

Knevitt, Clark probably not good enough.
Stevens unlikely.
Bruhn was meh but might not even be back.

Hammer and tongs at a gun mid please.

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

I don’t know why every time Reid gets brought up that Rowell and Butters get brought up as “cheap” options. Butters would cost the same as Reid. And Rowell not far off. Plus, the biggest part is convincing a player to nominate your club. At the moment Reid has shown the strongest indication. The better Gold Coast perform, the trickier it will be. And most people are expecting Butters to honour his contract and to get home out of Port as a “pre-agent” would cost the same regardless as he’s still contracted. It’s such a moot point. If we were able to get Reid in and then focus on Butters as a true free agent… doesn’t that sound so much better…?

Yep, get Reid in. 15 years of midfield set

 

[geelong_crazy26]

That's why I'd love to see a condition added to RFA (if they want to retain that) where the current club has to provide to the AFL, the terms of the best deal they offered to they player prior to the player opting to exercise their FA rights

If as a club your only willing to offer the player $900k per season, they decline and exercise their FA rights where their chosen club has instead offered them $1 million per season, the original club shouldn't then be permitted to match an offer they weren't willing to original offer

Exactly this… it’s essentially fraud.

Both parties know it’s not a genuine or real offer, it is merely a dummy offer to force a favorable trade.

Should be told prior and you can’t offer a dollar more.

 

[FishGutz]

Maybe there was a bit to the message I got this morning…

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Like Lindsay a lot but I think he could go top 10 at this rate.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Maybe there was a bit to the message I got this morning…

Scotty just playing the media as usual.

 

[foxdog50]

We need to move heaven and earth to improve our paper thin midfield.

Our Key Forward option isn't much better either