List Mgmt. 2025 List Management

[serial_thrilla]

 

[dexter_]

I'm pretty sure that's his partners family (gulp)

 

[Silencer83]

I'm pretty sure that's his partners family (gulp)

Yep, google image search confirms that is Kelsey Browne's family.

 

[GingerDocker]

 

[#1JohnHuttonFan]

Lol means nothing! People reading too much into it.

 

[mayne iac]

Tin foil hatters everywhere

 

[BurnedScones]

Could mean nothing or everything. At the moment I'm taking it as 'man visits partner's family in Melbourne during week off'.

 

[jusjoshin]

Could mean nothing or everything. At the moment I'm taking it as 'man visits partner's family in Melbourne during week off'.

I get dragged to see the outlaws every second holiday, I can't imagine it's much different for LJ.

 

[Patty_Moz]

The players leaving at the end of the year have played 3 games this year as a sub. It won't impact how experienced we are on the field.

Which of the below players have an impact at AFL next year and body is capable of playing AFL football?

Aish, Walters, Fyfe, Brodie, Jones

Experience is brilliant, but only if they are also best 22.

FYI: Don't say Brodie

The top sides (Pies, Lions, Cats) all have about 25 players with 50 games experience or more, plus a bunch of good kids who fill the gaps. We have finally established those sort of numbers on our list. All those teams carry experienced players who don’t play.

The main reason is injury which we have again seen this year. Injuries to some of our experienced players and we are back playing a 60 game average side.

I’m not against getting rid of players but if we are going to get rid of all that experience we need to bring in others who have played a considerable amount of AFL or else we are also rans again.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

The top sides (Pies, Lions, Cats) all have about 25 players with 50 games experience or more, plus a bunch of good kids who fill the gaps. We have finally established those sort of numbers on our list. All those teams carry experienced players who don’t play.

The main reason is injury which we have again seen this year. Injuries to some of our experienced players and we are back playing a 60 game average side.

I’m not against getting rid of players but if we are going to get rid of all that experience we need to bring in others who have played a considerable amount of AFL or else we are also rans again.

I think experience only goes so far. Ultimately talent takes precedence.
Look at the remarkable difference to our goal scoring because of four players. Bolton, Reid, Wombat and Voss.
If Voss had have kicked that last goal instead of the poster against Sydney we are 8 & 4 and top four in all likelihood. So does an experienced Omeara displace any of those ?
I’m not playing Michael Walters ahead of any of those four players either, unless he has demonstrated some from.

 

[Docker82]

Keeping experienced depth players who aren't AFL standard any more is how you become West Coast or North Melbourne, not Brisbane or Geelong.

Our average age and experience is down because our best 22 is young. That'll change over time but keeping experienced players that should retire or be delisted for experience sake will get us nowhere.

I don't think age is an excuse for this list. Reid is a first year player, as is Dudley (but mature age). Simpson is a second year player. Outside of that everyone else on our list that's played is in at least their fourth season (Reidy the one exception). Yes, some players will get better but expecting them to perform at AFL standard isn't unreasonable.

Also its the club's job a year ahead to decide who will and won't contribute next year. They might decide club legends in their mid 30s aren't going to be much good next year. That's just part of list management.

 

[Andy Brennan]

LJ Sending a message to the Melbourne media. ( if it's his account).

Wallsy - "Aw sorry Luke, I know you like your in-laws but you signed a 7 year contract buddy. Ask me again in 48 months."

 

[Bender571]

Keeping experienced depth players who aren't AFL standard any more is how you become West Coast or North Melbourne, not Brisbane or Geelong.

Our average age and experience is down because our best 22 is young. That'll change over time but keeping experienced players that should retire or be delisted for experience sake will get us nowhere.

I don't think age is an excuse for this list. Reid is a first year player, as is Dudley (but mature age). Simpson is a second year player. Outside of that everyone else on our list that's played is in at least their fourth season (Reidy the one exception). Yes, some players will get better but expecting them to perform at AFL standard isn't unreasonable.

Also its the club's job a year ahead to decide who will and won't contribute next year. They might decide club legends in their mid 30s aren't going to be much good next year. That's just part of list management.

Draper is only in his third season

 

[Purple Suit]

I think experience only goes so far. Ultimately talent takes precedence.
Look at the remarkable difference to our goal scoring because of four players. Bolton, Reid, Wombat and Voss.
If Voss had have kicked that last goal instead of the poster against Sydney we are 8 & 4 and top four in all likelihood. So does an experienced Omeara displace any of those ?
I’m not playing Michael Walters ahead of any of those four players either, unless he has demonstrated some from.

You mean, if an inexperienced Voss hadn’t tried to kick a pin point pass on the 45 degree angle, we would have beaten the Swans?

Besides Reid who is a freak, experience wins out at the end of a game over young talent.

If you have both, look out.

Walters is our best forward in finals ever and an old head / jet. I’m giving him a game over Dudley if he can cover the ground in a final.

 

[Docker82]

You mean, if an inexperienced Voss hadn’t tried to kick a pin point pass on the 45 degree angle, we would have beaten the Swans?

Besides Reid who is a freak, experience wins out at the end of a game over young talent.

If you have both, look out.

Walters is our best forward in finals ever and an old head / jet. I’m giving him a game over Dudley if he can cover the ground in a final.

In 2010 we recalled Des Headland for a final and he wasn't on our list the next year (Admittedly he played shite).

I think it's quite reasonable to think that to maintain a group that'll win us a flag in 2026 and 2027, decisions may need to be made on Fyfe and Walters. That doesn't mean you don't play them if they're the best option to play that week.

I'm comfortable where our depth sits without the players being discussed as going off the list. They've played three games this season after all. What seems to be getting forgotten is that we've consistently had 8-12 guys injured this year. They used to say your best 30 win you a flag and we've been consistently selecting one or two players from outside that group. Who, apart from Reidy, hasn't looked like they can contribute at AFL level? No one else IMO.

 

[Superkoops]

I really doubt that after Fyfe was named sub and performed quite well in the last quarter that he would get dropped. So he stays as sub.

We then have the following:
JOM, Dudley pushing for top 23.

JOM would definitely be eyeing off Ras’ spot. If JOM is cleared to play but needs a run around on slightly managed mins then he can play WAFL. Ras deserves to hold his spot.

If the match committee feel they can run with LJ and Voss in the ruck then Darcy can also have a run at Peel and Dudley comes in for a smaller forward line structure.

Let’s leave finals discussion for the moment. We need to make it first and then we need the likes of Walters and Fyfe to be fit and firing at that time of the year. Select best team if that is Dudley ahead of Walters then Dudley gets the nod.

 

[Taylor]

If we make it to finals we will have Hayden Young

26

Hayden Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

3star

CL

0.2

2star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

2star

CL

0.2

2star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

CL

0.2

2star

to find a spot for too

 

[Quay Club]

If we make it to finals we will have Hayden Young to find a spot for too

And Walker who is our best lock down defender on smalls.

 

[eastfreo75]

Keeping experienced depth players who aren't AFL standard any more is how you become West Coast or North Melbourne, not Brisbane or Geelong.

Our average age and experience is down because our best 22 is young. That'll change over time but keeping experienced players that should retire or be delisted for experience sake will get us nowhere.

I don't think age is an excuse for this list. Reid is a first year player, as is Dudley (but mature age). Simpson is a second year player. Outside of that everyone else on our list that's played is in at least their fourth season (Reidy the one exception). Yes, some players will get better but expecting them to perform at AFL standard isn't unreasonable.

Also its the club's job a year ahead to decide who will and won't contribute next year. They might decide club legends in their mid 30s aren't going to be much good next year. That's just part of list management.

Age shouldn’t come into.

The question should be, is this player best 23 or be a good depth player?

If they are a depth player, can they be happy in that role?

Making list management decisions based on getting the age numbers high or low is a terrible tool.

 

[theGav56]

A player like O'Meara is great on the list. The problem is that he is being treated as a lock for the best 23.

 

[blue shark]

I really doubt that after Fyfe was named sub and performed quite well in the last quarter that he would get dropped. So he stays as sub.

We then have the following:
JOM, Dudley pushing for top 23.

JOM would definitely be eyeing off Ras’ spot. If JOM is cleared to play but needs a run around on slightly managed mins then he can play WAFL. Ras deserves to hold his spot.

If the match committee feel they can run with LJ and Voss in the ruck then Darcy can also have a run at Peel and Dudley comes in for a smaller forward line structure.

Let’s leave finals discussion for the moment. We need to make it first and then we need the likes of Walters and Fyfe to be fit and firing at that time of the year. Select best team if that is Dudley ahead of Walters then Dudley gets the nod.

Luckily for Freo the injuries have proven to be master strokes and freshened up the team, and found alternative plays.
We have found depth, talent that was already here, and it would of been a disaster if
Neil had left.
JOM is realistically a required depth player, until Erasmus drops form why would you
swap him?
Sure it’s a long season but playing favourites is what will lose JLo his job.
The team looks more unpredictable and dangerous, when things click and their is
enthusiasm, the whole club comes alive.
Fyfe can definitely impact as the sub, but my biggest worry is who is running team
selection?
The second chance or guys that are hungry for games are the ones standing up.
That desperation, drive is infectious and Freo need a killer instinct to force finals.

 

[Boppo]

Fyfe stays in. He pushes people around and bullies them in packs in a way thet the others can't. As long as he gets rid of the ball quick enough and not caught htb, he's a different kind of asset.

 

[thistimeforsure]

The top sides (Pies, Lions, Cats) all have about 25 players with 50 games experience or more, plus a bunch of good kids who fill the gaps. We have finally established those sort of numbers on our list. All those teams carry experienced players who don’t play.

The main reason is injury which we have again seen this year. Injuries to some of our experienced players and we are back playing a 60 game average side.

I’m not against getting rid of players but if we are going to get rid of all that experience we need to bring in others who have played a considerable amount of AFL or else we are also rans again.

It’s all just opinions etc but I couldn’t disagree more with this

I firmly believe that without injuries to certain players we would be running about 12-13 th ATM

We stumbled blindly onto the current dangerous looking side we’ve evolved into

Just in time for mumbles to **** it all up again as we start getting players back

Potential over experience all day

 

[Patty_Moz]

I think experience only goes so far. Ultimately talent takes precedence.
Look at the remarkable difference to our goal scoring because of four players. Bolton, Reid, Wombat and Voss.
If Voss had have kicked that last goal instead of the poster against Sydney we are 8 & 4 and top four in all likelihood. So does an experienced Omeara displace any of those ?
I’m not playing Michael Walters ahead of any of those four players either, unless he has demonstrated some from.

Yes Reid, Dudley (a mature age pick) and to a lesser extent Simpson (3 full games in two years) have had an impact but the 6-7 other draftees over the last few years haven’t played a game.

All I’m saying with our current list demographic it’s important to have some players like JOM, Walters, Fyfe, McDonald or experienced players we can get from other teams over kids taken at the backend of the ND or RD who will more than likely never play.

 

[ubiquitous226]

Luckily for Freo the injuries have proven to be master strokes and freshened up the team, and found alternative plays.
We have found depth, talent that was already here, and it would of been a disaster if
Neil had left.
JOM is realistically a required depth player, until Erasmus drops form why would you
swap him?
Sure it’s a long season but playing favourites is what will lose JLo his job.
The team looks more unpredictable and dangerous, when things click and their is
enthusiasm, the whole club comes alive.
Fyfe can definitely impact as the sub, but my biggest worry is who is running team
selection?
The second chance or guys that are hungry for games are the ones standing up.
That desperation, drive is infectious and Freo need a killer instinct to force finals.

What does Erasmus offer over JOM in your mind?

 

[go_the_dockers]

What does Erasmus offer over JOM in your mind?

Ever sense we went to 1 ruck, and starting playing Erasmus and Wagner through the midfield everything looks better.

Erasmus and Wagner complement Brayshaw and Serong very well, I think Erasmus's size is key, plus his defensive work on the inside, as it Wagner's defensive effort on the outside.

Having 1 ruck lets us play one more mid, and gives us more run.

I believe these are the key to our recent form, but it could easy be two of the three, and the one had no or little impact.