List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[Sully111]

That'll do it !!!

You too? Bro.... I thought we was tight

 

[The Jack]

Lockett kicked 9.5

At the other end Brownless kicked 8.3

15.14 to 14.13

Doesn't feel like goalkicking inaccuracy cost us. Perhaps Ablett sending Burke and Grant into next week (Grant was AA in 1991) had some effect.

Plugger had 9 at 3/4 time and didn't add to his tally. Was heart breaking. First final I'd witnessed us in and I was 22. Sad really. We were putrid in the 70's and 80's.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Is this a fact thing or a vibe thing?

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If Tony74 is saying it is happening, it is happening. He is the best ITK we have now. You can take it to the bank!

 

[Sainter88]

If Tony74 is saying it is happening, it is happening. He is the best ITK we have now. You can take it to the bank!

In other words he’s the goat of ITK

 

[Dr Spaceman]

If Tony74 is saying it is happening, it is happening. He is the best ITK we have now. You can take it to the bank!

Is that the same bank I normally use to store images of beautiful scantily clad woman?

I suppose my withdrawals would be similar

 

[SainterinSydney]

In other words he’s the goat of ITK

It's the closest thing you'll get to an announcement that Nas has actually signed.

 

[beside the seaside]

Interesting that he's saying Ro will stay. I assume that means our intention is to play Ro and TDK together, assuming TDK is happening.

 

[The Jack]

Pretty short and sharp from Tony. "Nas and Ro will stay"

Wish he had have said Nas has signed, or Nas and Ro ARE staying.

We'll wait and see I suppose. Still not convinced.

 

[St Neil]

I don't disagree with any of that and am not mad at NWM or likely to be.

But if he leaves, the system will work against us getting fair value. The Crows and Power can't trade a player back against their will. Neither have a draft pick this year commensurate with NWM's on field value, and any future pick would likely be lower due to NWM's presence at that club. All the leverage is with the parties not named St Kilda if NWM decides to leave. We would be forced to take unders and go backwards as a consequence.

It is why we must continue to be loud and public about the structural issues with the system, because they are unarguably a contributing factor to our lack of success.

I couldn’t agree more. 100% correct.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Pretty short and sharp from Tony. "Nas and Ro will stay"

Wish he had have said Nas has signed, or Nas and Ro ARE staying.

We'll wait and see I suppose. Still not convinced.

Only way Nas is staying is if he signs. I think you are over analysing.

 

[The Jack]

Only way Nas is staying is if he signs. I think you are over analysing.

I like clarity

 

[PJays]

I don't disagree with any of that and am not mad at NWM or likely to be.

But if he leaves, the system will work against us getting fair value. The Crows and Power can't trade a player back against their will. Neither have a draft pick this year commensurate with NWM's on field value, and any future pick would likely be lower due to NWM's presence at that club. All the leverage is with the parties not named St Kilda if NWM decides to leave. We would be forced to take unders and go backwards as a consequence.

It is why we must continue to be loud and public about the structural issues with the system, because they are unarguably a contributing factor to our lack of success.

What about the system would you change here?

My suggestion would be allowing future draft picks more than 2 years in advance.

So we take, say, the Crows first round pick in 2025, 2026, 2027 and 2028.

Currently they couldn't trade 2027 or 2028.

This would basically guarantee St Kilda a top pick for 4 years straight if we wanted it. We could package the Crows pick with ours each year for trades

 

[Linton Street Saint]

I'm not even going to get start on losing Tony Lockett.

We literally lost the greatest AFL goalkicker of all time.

We got a few draft picks, didn't win a premiership because of the trade. Didn't really go anywhere because of it, just lost an icon of the game.

Enough is Enough.

For those that knew Plugger, it was that or most likely retirement. He'd very much had enough of the circus.

 

[Sainter88]

It's the closest thing you'll get to an announcement that Nas has actually signed.

100%, what ever happened to that Jaxons bloke?

 

[Linton Street Saint]

He’ll get paid plenty if he stays at Carlton. If he comes to st Kilda, it’s because he wants to play for st Kilda.

Well that is certainly.... a take.

 

[jwikked]

All you need to ask yourself is:

If the money was the EXACT same at both clubs. Would he be leaving?

The answer is no.

There is a substantial difference in guaranteed money and it’s big enough to make this move happen.

These guys have limited careers. It’s absolutely a risk to turn down the rumoured money on offer.

No one is saying the money isn’t a factor, but to say it’s the only factor is just stupid rhetoric.
When you say that he doesn’t want to play for the club, play for the fans or play for the colors (or whatever the silly phrase was) - it’s even dumber.

Jordan DeGoey didn’t want to play for St Kilda. Josh Kelly didn’t want to play for St Kilda.

If TDK signs with us, the same can’t be said about him.

 

[ThomasR]

I like clarity

For clarity:

King will be touch and go for Round 1 (2026)

Phillipou will be right to go after the bye (8 weeks after)

Nas and Ro will stay (until the end of the season)

 

[jwikked]

TONY74 saying on SS that Ro and Nas will stay!

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As legit as it gets.

 

[Linton Street Saint]

100%, what ever happened to that Jaxons bloke?

Always had a strong inkling that was Bains feeding his ego.

 

[jumperfan]

If we throw stupid money at him, he may consider. Cats cant just get everybody, and are the Dogs really that much different to us?

Yes they have a better list, but they continue to waste it, they also play in front of crap crowds.

If he wants the big club vibe, then his options are Pies, Carlton, Richmond, Essendon or Hawks. Carlton and Bombers are cooked. Richmond will take another 3+ years, and Pies wont be able to pay heaps, and have SFA draft capital.

I wouldn't put us as a front runner but if we lose NAS, and throw 1.5m a year at him surely he considers that.

I think we keep NAS anyway, but we are not NO chance of getting Butters.

I just don't think we can offer that much more money than Geelong and the Dogs for it to be a significant enough point of difference. Both teams, particularly Geelong offer a much more realistic chance at immediate success than us and he's got the childhood support connection to the Dogs. I'd love to have him but I think we'd be a distant third in line at best.

 

[TheJackal]

I am not winding anybody up. It takes half a million dollars a year for 7 years for us to get him.
Try offering 1.3 compared to Carltons 1.2 and see if it works for you.
Absolutely hilarious to say well he supported the Saints and Riewoldt is back like he is a 12 y.o fanboi.
He is coming for no other reason but the huge overpay.
And this is no reflection on TDK, Carlton or the Saints.
TDK, would be foolish to turn down life changing money considering he could do a career finishing injury at any time.
Carlton, basically can't afford to match, and Swan is looking to salary dump someone like Walsh as they have stuffed their SC.
Saints, as has been pointed out before, because of the constraints of the AFL, not attracting big stars etc, has to offer outrageous money to a very good but not great ruckman.
Make no mistake, TDK is more than required to play to his absolute best. And he will, he is a professional footballer, you take the big $$$, you perform.
I also expect he will settle into a very good football environment at the Saints and will en up loving the place. The Saints have improved off field dramatically.
But to convince yourself he will come to the Saints for reasons other than the money is a bit laughable to be frank.
We tried two years ago when he was a reserve player for Carlton and he wasn't interested.

I didn't realise you were so close to TDK to know his inner most thoughts. I didn't realise guys like Higgins and Jones came to Saints purely for money. I mean, the notion that he may actually like St Kilda because he barracked for them growing up must be so unrealistic.

It's 'laughable and hilarious' that your opinion is fact and you sit back in your virtual directors chair thinking you run the show.

I'll quote an article from Carlton FC in 2020, "he supported Carlton as a kid before his childhood hero Nick Riewoldt – whose number he would wear at Ikon Park - swung him to the team from Moorabbin". So connecting his probable move from Carlton to St Kilda with Rooey is possibly a long bow but an enjoyable story for an opinion based forum. Its not that hard to comprehend, despite it not being your opinion, it's clear your family tree didn't have enough branches.

 

[sammm]

This week is about Sincs. We'll hear good news about Nas next week.

On a Tuesday?

 

[PoppedCorn]

yes tony has been correct a lot over the years and is a great itk
but, sometimes things change
dont shoot him down if shit goes pear shaped

 

[jwikked]

Well that is certainly.... a take.

It was in reference to this smooth brain take:

TDK is only coming for money. Doesn't want to play for us the jumper, the club or the fans.

 

[Yawkey way]

They seemed to be going for a backline of intercept defenders only. Unusual model.

Looks to me like they expected one and got both, now they’re picking their best players not the best team. Sooner rather than later someone is going to be very disappointed and playing at Box Hill.