List Mgmt. 2025 List Management 📃

[dangertroy]

What the Saints are doing is what every club that finds themselves in this situation would be doing. They’ve run their cap under for a few years, built up a war chest and are now throwing money at whoever is on the market.

North did the same thing - chased Dusty and Gaff for a few years, could get anyone over the line so they paid massive overs for Jared Polec

13

Jared Polec

Age

33

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.6

5star

K

12.9

5star

HB

7.7

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.0

4star

D

20.5

5star

K

13.1

5star

HB

7.4

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

CL

2.9

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

. Jared Polec

13

Jared Polec

Age

33

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.6

5star

K

12.9

5star

HB

7.7

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.0

4star

D

20.5

5star

K

13.1

5star

HB

7.4

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

CL

2.9

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

. Jared. Polec.

We did the same thing - chased Shiel and Coniglio for a few years and then paid massive overs for Williams. SOS didn’t sign Williams, but he’d put the eggs in the basket with the cap position and previous unsuccessful chases.

You can run under the cap for a while, but eventually you have to spend it, so it goes to whoever is available as a free agent so you don’t have to give up your draft hand. To everyone saying we should match and force a trade? Not a chance St Kilda will trade for him, and he will know that.

Do they need TDK? Wouldn’t be their first choice, but the only better free agent still on the market is Bont. Can you imagine how that phone call goes? “G’day Bont - it’s SOS here and I just wanted to… hello? Bont?”… Then again, Bont is still unsigned… 2 mill a year for 5 years?

The TDK offer is holding up everything else. We aren’t finalising deals for JSOS and others. The saints could genuinely lose Nasiah over this - he should be there #1 priority, but can you imagine what he’s thinking if they are offering him less than TDK?

It’s getting hard to see a situation where Tom hasn’t made up his mind to leave. He’s not winning a premiership with St Kilda, but if he can’t see the path to winning one with us, which potentially is harder for us to do if he stays, then lock in the money.

This talk about trying to close the gap is certainly posturing, so that no one has to actually have any difficult conversations. If he were to announce he was leaving, I wouldn’t have a problem with it, but the reaction would surely be that he shouldn’t be playing for us for the rest of the season. Much easier to say that he wants to stay, but there’s still a decision to make and everyone is working on it.

 

[Stamos]

Q : How many RUCKMAN have been offered $1.7Million contracts.

A : One

TDK hasn’t proven a consistent match winner for Carlton.
He hasn’t even finished top 5 in the B&F yet Silvagni is offering an all time record amount for a RUCKMAN … something no other list manager would contemplate …

How many small forwards have been offered $12 million dollar contracts?
Let alone non free agents, who are already contracted, and you’re not poaching them, they’re already at your club?

Is Tim Lamb making that offer out of spite?
Is he deliberately sabotaging the Dees?

 

[Gointocarlton]

Im a bit with Red Bull on the TDK / SOS thing, I think there is an element of SOS screwing us over.
No ruckman is worth $.7M, if De Koning was at StK and we were throwing that figure at him to get him across to us I'd be filthy. Another thing Tom will need to come to terms with is the scrutiny he'll be under given his pay packet. With every ordinary game, missed goal, Turn Over, Injury etc will come heat from the StK supporters and general football public. Hope is is prepared for that.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Justin Longmuir and Dean Cox have entered the chat

Maybe both of these blokes are only assistant coach material also?

Voss has had more senior opportunities and time to prove his ability.

 

[Red Bull]

How many small forwards have been offered $12 million dollar contracts?
Let alone non free agents, who are already contracted, and you’re not poaching them, they’re already at your club?

Is Tim Lamb making that offer out of spite?
Is he deliberately sabotaging the Dees?

 

[Stamos]

De Koning calls meeting to decide if incoming chief’s blueprint is right for him

While the lucrative offer from St Kilda remains highly appealing, De Koning’s decision to call the meeting with incoming Blues CEO Graham Wright has lifted hopes of him staying at Carlton.

www.theage.com.au

https://archive.md/ZEY54

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Shipping Grundy and bringing in Premiership players Hill (Norm Smith), Mitchell and Frampton as well as McStay who only missed due to getting injured in the prelim in one offseason immediately prior to winning the flag is more than “very little” I would say.

Yes moving Grundy on was a good move that saved ~$700k. Hill has been a very good pickup. They have gotten one good season out of the other three. They have all been role players.
If we went on to spend ~$1.5mil P.A on players like Collingwood did on them and got the output those four have produced there is noway we get a premiership.

He obviously done a good job but I don’t think he made any amazing moves with the list. The output of Young, Hewett, Haynes, Hollands, Acres over the last few seasons is probably ahead of that.

Collingwood were only 1 goal off a Grand Final (2022) with the list he inherited. I don’t think he turned that list around at all. It was already bloody good.

 

[kingkingston]

Scenario 1: TDK accepts stupid money from St Kilda (ie. TDK's decision is financially motivated)
- 1.a - Carlton elect not to match, get Band 1 compensation.
- 1.b - Carlton elect to match, TDK elects to stay (given he's still getting stupid money), TDK remains a Carlton player and our salary cap is munted.
- 1.c - Carlton elect to match, TDK elects to leave, a trade has to be negotiated (if no agreement reached, TDK's call on either revert to 1.b or nominate for the draft).

Scenario 2: TDK accepts a moderate deal from Geelong (ie. TDK's decision is lifestyle- or success-motivated)
- 2.a - Carlton elect not to match, probably still get Band 1 compensation.
- 2.b - Carlton elect to match, TDK likely still wants to leave (given his decision was not financially-motivated), Geelong still want him, a trade has to be negotiated (if no agreement reached, TDK's call on either staying or nominate for the draft).

Scenario 3: TDK accepts Carlton's offer (ie. TDK's decision is loyalty-motivated)
- 3.a - TDK remains a Carlton player.

Your guess is as good as mine as to which way it goes, but those are the various ways it potentially plays out.

Tom doesn't have to be loyal. Loyalty is very much overrated in AFL. Players have no say in where they are drafted.

 

[JustaBattler]

Yes moving Grundy on was a good move that saved ~$700k. Hill has been a very good pickup. They have gotten one good season out of the other three. They have all been role players.
If we went on to spend ~$1.5mil P.A on players like Collingwood did on them and got the output those four have produced there is noway we get a premiership.

He obviously done a good job but I don’t think he made any amazing moves with the list. The output of Young, Hewett, Haynes, Hollands, Acres over the last few seasons is probably ahead of that.

Collingwood were only 1 goal off a Grand Final (2022) with the list he inherited. I don’t think he turned that list around at all. It was already bloody good.

Take Pendelbury, Howe and Sidebottom out of that side watch them go middling - real fast.

 

[Stamos]

Yes moving Grundy on was a good move that saved ~$700k. Hill has been a very good pickup. They have gotten one good season out of the other three. They have all been role players.
If we went on to spend ~$1.5mil P.A on players like Collingwood did on them and got the output those four have produced there is noway we get a premiership.

He obviously done a good job but I don’t think he made any amazing moves with the list. The output of Young, Hewett, Haynes, Hollands, Acres over the last few seasons is probably ahead of that.

Collingwood were only 1 goal off a Grand Final (2022) with the list he inherited. I don’t think he turned that list around at all. It was already bloody good.

It was a list that finished 2nd last 8 months after he arrived at the club

 

[carlton_99]

De Koning calls meeting to decide if incoming chief’s blueprint is right for him

While the lucrative offer from St Kilda remains highly appealing, De Koning’s decision to call the meeting with incoming Blues CEO Graham Wright has lifted hopes of him staying at Carlton.

www.theage.com.au

https://archive.md/ZEY54

Interesting - wonder if Wright has even confirmed plans for the off-season already

 

[GT619]

The biggest problem at the club is the coach and his assistants 100% fact so it honestly wouldn't matter who we lose or get player wise

agreed. sack em all

 

[GT619]

Interesting - wonder if Wright has even confirmed plans for the off-season already

I reckon he has. just needs to press the detonator

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

It was a list that finished 2nd last 8 months after he arrived at the club

And he brought in Lipinski and Kruger and it finished equal 2nd. (Gifted Daicos) The list was never the problem, maybe he was smart enough to see that but

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

 

[dangertroy]

Collingwood were only 1 goal off a Grand Final (2022) with the list he inherited. I don’t think he turned that list around at all. It was already bloody good.

I take your point, but he had been with them for 2 seasons by then (took over January 2021), and in that time he had brought in Lipinski and Krueger, picked up Markov and was in the process of packing Brody Grundys bags. He’d identified what the team was missing and went and got them that off season. Oh, and he’d also sacked a favourite son in Buckley and picked the bloke who coached them to a flag inside of two seasons. He’d even done this while getting Clarko fired by making a play for Mitchell…

Yes, Daicos coming in was luck, but the previous list manager had just torched the joint, leaving him without a first round pick, and a bunch of draftees that didn’t set the world on fire (albeit a better salary cap position).

Please don’t read into this that I think he’s a saviour- as a club we’ve always thought that someone will come in and save us and it’s never worked. But he’s earned his reputation and it wasn’t just good luck that took the pies from 17th to a premiership in the space of two years.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

All I can say is LINTON STREET RABBLE LOLOLOL

Will be deleting this if he decides to go

 

[Blue By Blood]

TDK basically telling Wright... If we have a new coach I'll stay

 

[real6ixer]

How many small forwards have been offered $12 million dollar contracts?
Let alone non free agents, who are already contracted, and you’re not poaching them, they’re already at your club?

Is Tim Lamb making that offer out of spite?
Is he deliberately sabotaging the Dees?

well just say you're not watching, hes been playing fantastically well at cbas ( hes averaging more than our inside bulls) as well as kicking 2 goals a game lol. worth every penny.

 

[Revenant1995]

Sam McLure says... sh... stuff I really dont give any credence to, or pay any attention to..

 

[RAPPA]

Well, if true, TDK ain't wrong that the status quo is not enough for the club to go the next level.

 

[Gointocarlton]

The biggest problem at the club is the coach and his assistants 100% fact so it honestly wouldn't matter who we lose or get player wise

100% fact you reckon. Have you informed Voss and co to pack their stuff and go?

 

[BeijingBlue]

100% fact you reckon. Have you informed Voss and co to pack their stuff and go?

When the performance is mediocre and has been that way all season, poor coaching exacerbates the skill and attitude deficiencies

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I take your point, but he had been with them for 2 seasons by then (took over January 2021), and in that time he had brought in Lipinski and Krueger, picked up Markov and was in the process of packing Brody Grundys bags. He’d identified what the team was missing and went and got them that off season. Oh, and he’d also sacked a favourite son in Buckley and picked the bloke who coached them to a flag inside of two seasons. He’d even done this while getting Clarko fired by making a play for Mitchell…

Yes, Daicos coming in was luck, but the previous list manager had just torched the joint, leaving him without a first round pick, and a bunch of draftees that didn’t set the world on fire (albeit a better salary cap position).

Please don’t read into this that I think he’s a saviour- as a club we’ve always thought that someone will come in and save us and it’s never worked. But he’s earned his reputation and it wasn’t just good luck that took the pies from 17th to a premiership in the space of two years.

Certainly not trying to talk him down. I just think Collingwood were a lot better than given credit for before the moves they made.
the difference between, Buckley losing a grand final by a kick, Collingwood losing a preliminary final by a goal and the next year winning a preliminary final by a point after the afl sent off one of the oppositions most important players in the last quarter to then go onto win a premiership does require an element of luck. I’m mean the list they won a premiership with missed finals the very next season, they are now the best side in it again.
They have been up and down with about 4 different people in charge. This side they have now has probably had more brought into it then what Wright had to

 

[dragonsblues]

I might be alone but I’m a big fan of Austin.

I think he nailed the last draft with HOF, Jagga and the Camporeale boys.

He has been good with pick ups like Cincotta, Lord and Boyd.

I want to see us get a few more shots at the draft too, how we get that capital I’m not sure because we don’t really have depth to be traded out - but he has been good at identifying talent.

My only knock on him was 23 when he gave the injury prone another year when he needed to refresh the list.