Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Mojorisin]

Wishful thinking - his family will be in his ear 24/7 about coming home on the huge dollars. Commuting time is not a factor. Its huge huge money, plus the 'tasmanian royalty' factor - remember his dad is a big deal in tassie footy.

If we spend 3 years getting him up to speed and then lose him for a slight pick upgrades on what we spent - is that good list management?

I think best case scenario, we can convince him to stick around for a few extra years while we are contending, then head back to tassie as a more mature player 25yo+ when they are more established

If it's purely a case of money we couldn't, wouldn't and shouldn't come close.
I fully understand I'd he wants to chase money and wouldn't begrudge him for doing so especially given the fragility of an AFL career. If he wants to go back to Tassie to represent the state (I agree it's something real and unable to be replicated, given every other state has atleast two teams) I also wouldn't begrudge him doing so.
We also potentially have alot to offer however and shouldn't be too bogged down in focusing on Tassie's pitch. If we want him to stay we need to sell to him a stable club with well developed working relationships with current sustained success. We have the next two and a half years to prove this.
Regardless of whether he stays or goes (obviously prefer he stay) we also can't focus on what we paid for him, that has been and gone and we knew the risk the Tassie team presented at the time. IF he does choose to go we need to shift our focus solely on compensating ourselves at that time for the player we are losing not the 18 year old we drafted. The next 36 months will determine exactly what he is worth, or if the Tassie team even still want him.

 

[Mojorisin]

A hawk and a demon will be touring the facilities in the next 3 days.

 

[TiAn_]

People are forgetting that it’s proposed the Tassie side will have access to OOC players as if they were FAs. So if Sanders extended for one year to 2027, he may be able to leave as a FA. It has been suggested that if they implement that proposal, the compensation would be different to typical FA. Presumably better. But we’d effectively be at the mercy of the AFL rather than extracting picks from the Tassie side in a trade.

 

[RWnBluey]

A hawk and a demon will be touring the facilities in the next 3 days.

James Frawley?

 

[Bald]

A hawk and a demon will be touring the facilities in the next 3 days.

Blanck would be a nice get.

 

[TiAn_]

A hawk and a demon will be touring the facilities in the next 3 days.

My guess: Seamus Mitchell and Charlie Spargo

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

My guess: Seamus Mitchell and Charlie Spargo

 

[Mojorisin]

My guess: Seamus Mitchell and Charlie Spargo

I know we have interest in Mitchell, Spargo is definitely not the one from the Dee's though. As to who is touring though I have no names.

 

[WAbulldog]

A hawk and a demon will be touring the facilities in the next 3 days.

We have interest in Adam Tomlinson for the 50th time.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Can't blame him if he did leave though

Thats a big IF Tassie actually happens

For sure, just the story itself though is so lazy.

Kid from Tassie, may look at going to new Tassie team. Zero depth to the story because they of course have none. It's media 101 these days.

 

[Foxman98]

We have interest in Adam Tomlinson for the 50th time.

He was delisted and plays for Norths VFL

 

[bobs head soup]

A hawk and a demon will be touring the facilities in the next 3 days.

BTC

 

[Foxman98]

I know we have interest in Mitchell, Spargo is definitely not the one from the Dee's though. As to who is touring though I have no names.

Hope it is Laurie 26 disposals and a goal in the 2s last week

 

[weltschmerz]

Hope it is Laurie 26 disposals and a goal in the 2s last week

Can’t translate it to AFL level

 

[weltschmerz]

I know we have interest in Mitchell, Spargo is definitely not the one from the Dee's though. As to who is touring though I have no names.

Hasn’t Chandler’s name been thrown around?

 

[JohnnySteel]

I may be in the minority, but I’d rather keep Sanders

I also rather he stays, I think he’ll be a star goal kicking midfielder in a few years time. Elite skills. His hands are libba like.

 

[Foxman98]

Can’t translate it to AFL level

Different roles and opportunities for him at AFL level

 

[Philthy1]

I also rather he stays, I think he’ll be a star goal kicking midfielder in a few years time. Elite skills. His hands are libba like.

People need to keep in mind that, just like what we did with Richards before, we get the young midfielders (Freijah, Sanders) into the team but play them in flanker and other roles interspersed with midfield time to gain experience. Thus a pipeline of midfield talent is built after about 50 games. Throwing them into the midfield full time when they first get into the team is a recipe for disaster.

There were screams on here to trade Richards in his early days without realising that a) he was being played out of position to get games into him and b) the plan all along was for him to become a midfielder. We also did it with Dunkley but he was obviously recognised as a future mid, Richards less so.

Doing things like this is how rebuilds are avoided, that is experienced home grown players ready to step in when blokes drop off, but it comes at the cost of having to carry developing blokes in the team / out of position.

 

[Doggies7]

Yeah I don't believe it is so much of that pull to return to Tassie will be too strong for Sanders, if we were offering the same cash when the time comes, I think we would be a good chance to keep him with his familiarity and love for the club and people he has grown with here. But if Tassie lock in on him being one of their marquee signings and offer him something like $1.5 mil plus to bring him over, there's not much we can do then. Our offer would likely be in the 800K - 900K ish range at most and that is too much money to turn down.

Wish him all the best and just hope we get a couple high picks out of it. Issue for Ryley would be there's a fair bit of pressure and responsibility that comes with being a team's marquee player and justifying that kind of money which is something he will deal with.

 

[Cudi]

Hasn’t Chandler’s name been thrown around?

Chandler would be a good get but it still has another year left on his contract.

 

[dogsuperfan]

People need to keep in mind that, just like what we did with Richards before, we get the young midfielders (Freijah, Sanders) into the team but play them in flanker and other roles interspersed with midfield time to gain experience. Thus a pipeline of midfield talent is built after about 50 games. Throwing them into the midfield full time when they first get into the team is a recipe for disaster.

There were screams on here to trade Richards in his early days without realising that a) he was being played out of position to get games into him and b) the plan all along was for him to become a midfielder. We also did it with Dunkley but he was obviously recognised as a future mid, Richards less so.

Doing things like this is how rebuilds are avoided, that is experienced home grown players ready to step in when blokes drop off, but it comes at the cost of having to carry developing blokes in the team / out of position.

I swear Richards being a midfielder was accidental, he got drafted as a half back as well didn’t he?

 

[BigFloppa]

Chandler would be a good get but it still has another year left on his contract.

Word on the street is that we are targeting a contracted small forward. Chandler fits.

 

[Mofra]

I’d be asking for 2 top 10s plus a future 2nd as a starting point. Mature bodied ball winner is exactly what Tassie need to try and be competitive asap. A lot to play out though, who knows where Sanders form is when Tassie is ready.

That's assuming it's a trade.
It may be a contract / compensation scheme a la GWS.

At 1.5m we'd want Scully compo, not Ward compo.

 

[dogwatch]

People need to keep in mind that, just like what we did with Richards before, we get the young midfielders (Freijah, Sanders) into the team but play them in flanker and other roles interspersed with midfield time to gain experience. Thus a pipeline of midfield talent is built after about 50 games. Throwing them into the midfield full time when they first get into the team is a recipe for disaster.

There were screams on here to trade Richards in his early days without realising that a) he was being played out of position to get games into him and b) the plan all along was for him to become a midfielder. We also did it with Dunkley but he was obviously recognised as a future mid, Richards less so.

Doing things like this is how rebuilds are avoided, that is experienced home grown players ready to step in when blokes drop off, but it comes at the cost of having to carry developing blokes in the team / out of position.

I think there's a bit of revisionism there Phil.

I can't recall any "screams on here to trade Richards". Maybe a bit of casual speculation but my recollection is nearly everybody wanted to keep him, despite interest from Colliingwood among others.

Agree he was "played out of position" and I agree with the general principle you are implying, i.e. you don't become a regular midfielder until you are ready and a better fit than those currently in that role. That's where Sanders finds himself right now and it's what gave the mercurial Bailey Smith the shits. Ed's early years were as a HFF where he was handy but not spectacular. The move to HB made him. It propelled him into our top ten.

However I am not sure where this notion of "the plan all along was for him to become a midfielder" came from. You say yourself that it was less obvious that Richards would be a future midfielder. To most of us watching, including some who had for a whle been suggesting he had the skills and attributes to play in the midfield, and even a few who had been lamenting the sameness and predictably of our midfield group it seemed that Bevo was reluctant, maybe even resistant, to shift him there.

It only happened around the middle of last year (Round 10 I think) when Smith was out with a LTI and then Libba got injured. By then Richards was almost 25 and had played 110 games. That's an awfully long apprenticeship.

From that point on we only lost two H&A games plus of course the EF. Obviously that winning run was not all due to Richards but he was a big part of our mid-season revival.

So his elevation to the midfield was more serendipity than long term strategy as I see it.

 

[BulldogMuscle]

A hawk and a demon will be touring the facilities in the next 3 days.

Steven May.

(Me running away from BF after writing this)