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List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract 2025 (12)
  • Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
  • Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
  • Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
  • Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
  • Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
  • Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
  • Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
  • Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
  • (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
  • (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
  • (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024
  • (R) Jacob Newton (20/3/06/) - Automatic 6 month contract (2025) when drafted in May 2025

Provisional 2025 Draft order
 

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its because they are all morons and AFL yes men.
I did notice that after Ross Lyon's nepo babies comment he all of a sudden copped 2 or 3 weeks worth of really negative coverage in the Victorian sport media. They were all getting stuck into him. Criticism ranging from where St Kilda are on the ladder to their crowd sizes to the boring style of play. Nobody addressed the point he is arguing over the level of assistance given to the Northern clubs, they all played the man and went after Lyon personally. And i am wondering whether the AFL told the media that is aligned with and dialled in with them to go after Lyon to shut him up and get the subject changed. I think the AFL have, at a minimum, intimidated the media out of covering this subject and maybe they were behind the onslaught in the media on Lyon and St Kilda that ensued.
 
He is 29.

It would be 4yrs of invaluable leadership qualities you're not finding in pick 2. Known vs unknown. Think Pendlebury. The bont could easily play 16-18 games a year for 4. While we have after hit with such a high pick to lure said talent why wouldn't we ask the question. The lack of mature bodies and A grade talent in our team is blindingly obvious. You might see it as a band-aid fix, but boy oh boys we need a big bandaid.
He’s played 250 games. History suggests he has maybe 50-70 max games left in him.

If he’d played 200 I’d be all for it, but not for pick 2 now.
 
I find it totally bizarre that the Victorians ae jumping up and down about us possibly getting a priority pick which would be a one off pick somewhere in the late teens/early 20's that we have to trade, but they are totally cool with the NSW and Queensland teams being given multiple first rounders every year effectively through their academy system year on year. Which one is more compromising to the integrity of the competition?
They’re not totally cool with it, they’re also very mad about it.
 

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Only got himself to blame as he signed the contract when this was already happening
Same goes for Jordan Croft. That dude deciding to go to Bulldogs as a father/son was absolutely absurd. Joined a club which had Darcy/JUH/Naughton/Lobb as tall forwards ahead of him. 3 guys who had/have tons of footy ahead of them

If he didnt go to Bulldogs he would have been at Sydney... a team that has a big wide open spot at FF waiting for someone like Croft

I guess he got to stay home with daddy atleast...
 
In regards to an 'assistance package' 5 extra rookie list spots plus the ability to sign NGA's pre-draft for the next 3 years would be perfection imo. Plus the 'massaging' to make sure Allen gets band 1 compo.

Only taking out of what we already have, zero extra draft picks. Would also give plenty of ability to churn and burn for talent and use second round picks onwards in trades for ready to go players.

They may not be the worlds best players but second and third round picks on players that lift the clubs floor on 3-4 year contracts would really help the club.
totally agree on this
 
So being where we are in the Season and on the Ladder I'm sure talks between club and managers will start to heat up.
Here's my take on some players that have been linked to us and my gut feel of the chances of it happening.
Im sure there's others out there who know more than me and those that have friends of friends in the industry so feel free to correct me.
My early prediction is we take another 2-4 experienced players, 3-4 first rounders and 2-4 FS and NGA's, how that happens is another lengthy post.
What I think is most likely? Cameron, Mcvee and a Mid (would love Worpel but most likely a fringe 22 player)

Trade Targets:

JUDD MCVEE (2025) 90%
DARCY CAMERON (2026) 85%
ANGUS SHELDRICK (2025) 80%
NEIL ERASMUS (2025) 75%
WILL PHILLIPS (2025) 75%
JEDD BUSSLINGER (2026) 60%
JACOB BLIGHT (1 YR Trigger, 2026) 60%
BRANDON STARCEVICH (Restricted Free Agent) 50%
JAMES WORPEL (Restricted Free Agent) 50%
TRENT RIVERS (2027) 20%
SAM FLANDERS (2027) 10%
PATRICK CRIPPS (2027) 2%
MARCUS BONTEMPELLI (Unrestricted Free Agent) 1%
*Honourable mentions - ROB, DEV, DRAPER, DARCY, TSATAS, DAVIES, MCKENZIE

• Cameron, I think this gets done. We've been in his ear for a while now, gets paid and finishes his career back in the West.
• Judd Mcvee, Im going with more likely than Cameron. Unsigned, right age, and we need another HBF, sorry Hunt thanks for everything.
• Starcevich, would come for free but would dilute ant FA compensation, is also one good knock away from joining Gov on the sidelines.
• Rivers, contracted and mates with Jackson at Freo, don't think this happens. Almost 0% this year but expect we would ask the question next year and beyond.
• Busslinger, we need backs and he needs playing time, win win. As with Cameron though would need picks, need two end of first compensation picks to trade!
• Blight, again nothing to suggest he gets to us but we were apparently interested when he was drafted and another West Aussie back man. Would be cheaper than most in a position of need. Would be an upgrade to the likes of Jamieson and Barnett.
• Sheldrick, has a contract in front of him but still hasn't signed which sounds like a real possibility he has a better offer elsewhere.
• Erasmus, Gettable but we don't do deals with Freo so this one probably only happens if the rest of our Midfield targets don't eventuate.
• Phillips, if you can believe what you read then we've been in contact with his agent, probably just putting out feelers but he fills a need as that extractor for Harley an co.
• Worpel, why wouldn't we have a real go. He feels like a similar one to the Redden trade, no ties to us but an experienced Mid in the right age bracket is exactly what we need.
• Flanders, another Victorian in contract. Highly unlikely, but never say never.
• Bontempelli, so your saying there's a chance. Why would he leave the Dogs though? Apparently likes the West in the off season and would he chase what he's worth in his last few years, we have the $ to make him look twice maybe.
• Cripps, twice as likely as the Bont due to being from Perth and a WCE supporter as a kid, but captains rarely leave their club (inserts Allen's name here)
great breakdown of list needs and players available.
Personally Cameron and McVee look the most certain.
Busslinger if the price is right, Hawks 2nd and a F3 to make it happen if we need to.
 
What do you think they are disappointed about?
I think any club would be disappointed to lose a good person and player who they'd prefer to retain, but I don't think that any respectful organisation would be disappointed in them as a person for making that decision.

This is all hypothetical of course because there's been no indication that Bobby Hill wants to move.
 
who do we delist in 26. Noah Long and?


I don't get this whole "who are we going to delist in 2026..?" or "We can't delist them now, we need people to delist in 2026" thing.

Someone talk me through it plz :shrug:


Basically, who cares? You delist the worst/obvious players on your list that add nothing, have no upside, are injury prone and/or out of contract. There might be other less important factors, like age profile and whatnot, but that's the gist of it. This is an ever changing list with lots of things still to play out in the 2026 season before the 2027 list lodgement deadline.
 
I don't get this whole "who are we going to delist in 2026..?" or "We can't delist them now, we need people to delist in 2026" thing.

Someone talk me through it plz :shrug:


Basically, who cares? You delist the worst/obvious players on your list that add nothing, have no upside, are injury prone and/or out of contract. There might be other less important factors, like age profile and whatnot, but that's the gist of it. This is an ever changing list with lots of things still to play out in the 2026 season before the 2027 list lodgement deadline.
2026 OOC players is

Clay Hall
Elijah Hewett
Harley Reid
Harvey Johnston
Harry Barnett
Jack Williams
Liam Ryan
Matthew Flynn
Noah Long
Tyler Brockman
Ryan Maric
Tom McCarthy
Bailey Williams

Which 6 do you want to get rid of here?
 
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2026 OOC players is

Clay Hall
Elijah Hewett
Harley Reid
Harry Barnett
Jack Williams
Liam Ryan
Matthew Flynn
Noah Long
Tyler Brockman
Ryan Maric
Tom McCarthy

Which 6 do you want to get rid of here?


My "predicted" list of delist fodder for 2026 as it stands

Barnett <-- Because i'm tipping he miraculously survives the 2025 cull
Kelly <-- Because he's just as bad if not worse next season, so we pay out his 2027 contract a year early.
Johnston (who isn't on your list)


Reckon everyone else survives. If Yeo has another injury plagued season he might hang them up a year early in 2026.

I'm also tipping someone like a Bailey/Jack Williams will be traded either this or next offseason.
 
My "predicted" list of delist fodder for 2026 as it stands

Barnett <-- Because i'm tipping he miraculously survives the 2025 cull
Kelly <-- Because he's just as bad, if not worse next season so we pay out his 2027 contract a year early.
Johnston (who isn't on your list)


Reckon everyone else survives.

I'm also tipping someone like a Bailey/Jack Williams will be traded either this or next offseason.
That still leaves 2 short though. No way I want to go with 4 new players only in 2026
 
2026 OOC players is

Clay Hall
Elijah Hewett
Harley Reid
Harvey Johnston
Harry Barnett
Jack Williams
Liam Ryan
Matthew Flynn
Noah Long
Tyler Brockman
Ryan Maric
Tom McCarthy
Bailey Williams

Which 6 do you want to get rid of here?

What about 2025 OOC players who get one year deals?

Cripps, Cole, Chesser (if he survives) all set to be in that boat.
 
What about 2025 OOC players who get one year deals?

Cripps, Cole, Chesser (if he survives) all set to be in that boat.
Thats the point he is raising. He is saying lets not give them 1 year deals cos we have plenty of players left to delist next year. Im saying we dont and we need those 1 year deals so we have the numbers for delisting

Getting rid of Tom Cole to take say Koby Evans as a late pick on a 2 year doesnt seem smart for example because if we dont sign any players on 1 year deals we are left basically having to get rid of someone like well Tyler Brockman I suppoise? Who knows
 
Thats the point he is raising. He is saying lets not give them 1 year deals cos we have plenty of players left to delist next year. Im saying we dont and we need those 1 year deals so we have the numbers for delisting

Getting rid of Tom Cole to take say Koby Evans as a late pick on a 2 year doesnt seem smart for example because if we dont sign any players on 1 year deals we are left basically having to get rid of someone like well Tyler Brockman I suppoise? Who knows

You’ll have to point me to where DS suggested delisting Tom Cole, I can’t see it.

Or where he said not to give out one year contracts, for that matter.
 

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That still leaves 2 short though. No way I want to go with 4 new players only in 2026
What about 2025 OOC players who get one year deals?

Cripps, Cole, Chesser (if he survives) all set to be in that boat.


This is exactly my point.

Too much still has to go under the bridge before you can start worrying about 2026 delistings.

Trade period could change everything, as could the draft, as could another injury to x player.
 
This is exactly my point.

Too much still has to go under the bridge before you can start worrying about 2026 delistings.

Trade period could change everything, as could the draft, as could another injury to x player.

Once we delist Cripps and Cole we are looking at our 7th and 8th delistings most likely. If we wanna go Chesser/Hunt then it’s 9 and 10…

Someone’s gonna need a 1 year deal. 10 delistings in a shallow draft isn’t it
 
2026 OOC players is

Clay Hall
Elijah Hewett
Harley Reid
Harvey Johnston
Harry Barnett
Jack Williams
Liam Ryan
Matthew Flynn
Noah Long
Tyler Brockman
Ryan Maric
Tom McCarthy
Bailey Williams

Which 6 do you want to get rid of here?
Any opinions on those guysd will depend on what we draft/trade in and how those guys listed here perform in 2026.
A bit early to make a proper judgement, but id imagine along with the likes of Barnett and Johnston who look like easy delists there will be a few others who ask out or just shit the bed and sit in the wafl all year.

If we add 2-3 top 10 picks, including multiple mids, the likes of Long wont get games and Johnston and even Hall may not get games, then guys like JWilliams/BWilliams will find it hard to get games if Shanahan becomes a regular alongside Waterman(also depends what we do with Archer), Flynn depends if we recruit another ruckman like Dcameron, Maric might find himself on the outer too if we move on to more talented young outside mids, etc
 
I would also, but Warner is the only 1 we have a chance at.
$1.5m/year over 5 years and $2m for 2 years front ended.

Chad via FA and draft Troy Warner.

Didn't Bobby move to Melb because the misso had connections there? Now she's moved back to WA, at least temporarily.

Could see Freo go after him as a Pickett replacement if he wants to make the move to see his kids as much as possible or potentially chase the girl. Would've loved him at West Coast but timing and cost don't seem to align.

Bobby Hill was an Essendon fan growing up and hated West Coast. Doubt we'd be in the race anyway.
 
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