List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[SainterinSydney]

I've asked tony74 on SS whether he has heard anything re Whitlock and if it relates to Nas.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Everyone’s got their views on this.

Real ITKs. Phony ITKs. Optimists. Pesimists. Media. Tony74.

My thoughts are Nas stays. And that’s just based on a combination of many things (in no particular order):

1. The media stories suggesting he likely stays.
2. The Adelaide airport “interview”.
3. The friendship group at RSEA Park.
4. The magnificent job St Kilda has done in regards to the indigenous players and respecting their culture.
5. Nas’s often mentioned love of the coach.
6. Tony74’s comments.
7. The lack of assets for Port to get a trade done.
8. The high profile Nas is taking in regards to the Saints social media.

All things considered I reckon he’s staying.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Everyone’s got their views on this.

Real ITKs. Phony ITKs. Optimists. Pesimists. Media. Tony74.

My thoughts are Nas stays. And that’s just based on a combination of many things (in no particular order):

1. The media stories suggesting he likely stays.
2. The Adelaide airport “interview”.
3. The friendship group at RSEA Park.
4. The magnificent job St Kilda has done in regards to the indigenous players and respecting their culture.
5. Nas’s often mentioned love of the coach.
6. Tony74’s comments.
7. The lack of assets for Port to get a trade done.
8. The high profile Nas is taking in regards to the Saints social media.

All things considered I reckon he’s staying.

Post of the day. I agree. I will be shocked if he requests a trade.

 

[beside the seaside]

Tony has been consistently confident recently. I think we're going to get him on a two year deal and it will be damn sweet when it happens, not only knowing we'll get another few years of his silk but also seeing the tears of Port fans who seem to think they have some god given right to our best young player.

 

[SainterinSydney]

I will say the Port board aren't crash hot on Whitlock leaving. Would be hilarious if Nas stays and we also get Whitlock.

 

[L_W_P]

Who wins out of 100 TDKs V 1 Longer

They playing footy or TF2?

 

[CaptainRisky]

So Darcy can come back from a near season injury and go in the ruck yet our giraffe can't do a ruck contest because he is Max

 

[stavro#4]

A lot of unnecessary bedwetting going on.

 

[St Neil]

The issue with the steak knives suggestions for this trade is they don’t discount anything they have to give so then why do it?

To me based on what they have Bergman and 26 first OR Berry and both future firsts is the BARE minimum.

I’d say the Bergman deal is unders. Port would have to do much better than that.

I’d say the Berry deal wouldn’t even be considered.

Port will have to give up significant player assets to get any deal done. It’s why any trade will also be a difficult one for them.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

A lot of unnecessary bedwetting going on.

when you gotta go you gotta go

 

[OxSaint]

I’d say the Bergman deal is unders. Port would have to do much better than that.

I’d say the Berry deal wouldn’t even be considered.

Port will have to give up significant player assets to get any deal done. It’s why any trade will also be a difficult one for them.

The other thing to consider is list spots. Trading 1 player for numerous plus needing to take 3 draftees is another big cut to our existing personnel.

 

[St Neil]

I will say the Port board aren't crash hot on Whitlock leaving. Would be hilarious if Nas stays and we also get Whitlock.

If he is homesick they’ve got a problem in 12 months time.

 

[St Neil]

The other thing to consider is list spots. Trading 1 player for numerous plus needing to take 3 draftees is another big cut to our existing personnel.

Good point.

 

[phantom13]

The other thing to consider is list spots. Trading 1 player for numerous plus needing to take 3 draftees is another big cut to our existing personnel.

Not for either of those deals
Bergman in Nas out
26 first and 27 first don’t take a lost spot until 2026 and 2027 (I’m sure we’ll find a spot for a first round draft pick)

 

[SaintsSeptember]

So Darcy can come back from a near season injury and go in the ruck yet our giraffe can't do a ruck contest because he is Max

At the moment he can't play anywhere, because he is Max.

 

[Diehard Saint]

The issue with the steak knives suggestions for this trade is they don’t discount anything they have to give so then why do it?

To me based on what they have Bergman and 26 first OR Berry and both future firsts is the BARE minimum.

If they wanna throw Whitlock in with either of those offers that’s fine but Whitlock or some other steak knives shit doesn’t get anything off those and we’re not gonna add anything in.

And I say that expecting most saints supporters will tell me to **** off with my minimums.

Yeah well we don’t even want to think of minimums….or any trade really.
I guess Butters would be the only one most would be accepting of.
This is as frustrating and worrying a time I can remember.
And we’ve had a few of those over the years

 

[Diehard Saint]

I don't buy the idea that Bergman is off limits because he signed a contract a few weeks ago. He was looking to come back to Victoria, then all of a sudden he signs a contract with Port, while Port are well aware NWM could be an option?

Definitely sounds a little orchestrated, doesn’t it.
Signed him up purposely while he obviously doesn’t mind staying with Port or going.

 

[Diehard Saint]

A lot of unnecessary bedwetting going on.

Guilty as charged!
( Just show me the damn signature already)

 

[Joffaboy]

You’ve spoken with Jack Whitlock, who’s signalled he’s open to returning home.

My guess is that if Nas ends up requesting a trade to Port, Whitlock will be part of the deal in some capacity.

Interesting, was pretty interested in Jack Whitlock after the champs last year. Surprised he fell to 33.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

I see hammer as a true lock down and then Aleer and Tauru as hybrid/interceptors. Both seem to have great pace and agility too so it’s not quite like playing three big trucks in defense.

Wilkie probably takes a small and can also peel off to help Camma more. It’ll be horses for courses. We can (and should) play them all against Adelaide, we probably can’t against say West Coast.


Agree on the second point although I don’t know that Aleer on $750k is too big a concern, that’s not that much. $1.7 on TDK, $1.5 on Nas (if he stays) and $800k on Roma to not play is real limiting

I can't see the hybrid/intercept style in Aleer's game. He looks to be a Max Hudghton style specialist spoiler who barely gets the ball and doesn't do anything notable when he does have it. His disposal average is in the single digits and he's good for just over 100m gained per game. Hammer has him covered in pretty much every metric. That's not to say that we necessarily want Hammer being a primary rebounding player from defence, because his kicking is iffy, much like Aleer.

To the second point, keep in mind that we've also got an injury riddled FF locked down on a long term deal which would be around a million per year.

 

[Joffaboy]

Because he's a key forward. Aleer is a backman. TDK is a ruck

A developing key forward is a need considering King's issues and Keeler being unreliable

Exactly.

 

[joydivision22]

Whilst you’d be happy with Whitlock and Berry on our list, they would not be part of any deal with Nasiah.

Both are behind the 8-ball in terms of proving their worthiness of the pick they were taken with let alone providing further trade value for an established champion with 300 elite games in front of him.

Nas is not only intrinsic to our style of play but represents our past, present and future of indigenous leadership. He’s a carry the torch player that only comes around once in 30 years.

Grace, pace, power and the sublime delivered effortlessly, consistently.

Nas leaves, there is not trade that is commensurate, not even close.

 

[Rash]

Both are behind the 8-ball in terms of proving their worthiness of the pick they were taken with let alone providing further trade value for an established champion with 300 elite games in front of him..

I understand your reasoning for Berry, but as for Whitlock, a young raw key forward in a sanfl team that often gets belted by 10+ goals with really crappy f50 entry, there isnt much whitlock can do. Its an extremely inaccurate assessment.

 

[joydivision22]

I understand your reasoning for Berry, but as for Whitlock, a young raw key forward in a sanfl team that often gets belted by 10+ goals with really crappy f50 entry, there isnt much whitlock can do. Its an extremely inaccurate assessment.

So.. he’s behind the 8-ball in proving his worthiness for the pick he was selected at.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Definitely sounds a little orchestrated, doesn’t it.
Signed him up purposely while he obviously doesn’t mind staying with Port or going.

Ok Young Gun #6 whoever you are (presumably a Port supporter) interested to know why would you disagree with this?
Been contracted means he is worth more to you than being uncontracted.