Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVIII

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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Thanks all!

 

[agro]

 

[Blue__Balls]

Pretty sure he is not eligible until next years draft.

Oh I know that, the number can be rested for a year though

 

[Garters]

Tbf, you and Smurf must be 0/50 for the last decade xoxo

Mate, either grow a Brain and realise what the discourse here is about or go go back to drawing circles in the dirt.

The thread title is clearly lost on your dim witted grasp of the English language.

 

[mochacinolatte]

Apparently Nick Haynes has been vocal lately about lack of structure and game style. We practice things so much less than they did at GWS

Be great to hear more of his opinion and differences

Gave a lot of crap to Haynes for his poor performance early, but actually one of the better recruits.

 

[mochacinolatte]

This is why I won't put the broken veterans entirely on Voss. They've been pushed to and past their limits for most of their careers. It's gotten worse but they've been driven into the ground.

It's why when you watch the kids who haven't been abused to that degree they're still running on top of the ground compared to the vets who are just done.

If we replace Voss were going to need to be very careful to get a coach who can work the players to the best of their ability and not beyond. I love Longmire but he demands everything out of his charges all of the time so they have nowhere to go come finals. A few of their former players have suggested that they were wrecked entering finals. Systems and structures will be immeasurably better but does it matter if they're just as wrecked when it matters?

This is where a coach like Dimma is ideal. He put up with Dusty's poor training habits as long as he kept himself in tip top shape for finals. Malthouse did the same at Collingwood to get the most out of Dane Swan too for example

Then you get players like McGovern

 

[Blue__Balls]

I dare say it IS exactly the right time. Season is over for us. Play the kids, give as many of them a taste as we can.
We've had Voss for 4 years and should know what he's capable (or incapable) of, so whether he goes or stays, the cleanout should start NOW - with Lloyd. Clear the decks before the draft and start getting the RIGHT people in before Preseason.

Booting Lloyd now doesn't have any noticeable effect. There is clearly already direction being given - kids are getting games, Doc has been tapped on the shoulder. The gameplan isn't going to change other than maybe a "screw it, just go have fun" approach but I don't think there's any benefit in that.

And preseason is still months away. If we want to bring in new voices, they need to come from successful clubs or have a proven track record of getting results. Those people are at other clubs, and they're not leaving those clubs before the end of the season...and for the ones we want most their seasons will run 3-4 weeks longer than ours.

The focus now will be on assessing which players are salvageable. Lloyd isn't preventing that happening.

 

[Will_Hayward]

This is why I won't put the broken veterans entirely on Voss. They've been pushed to and past their limits for most of their careers. It's gotten worse but they've been driven into the ground.

It's why when you watch the kids who haven't been abused to that degree they're still running on top of the ground compared to the vets who are just done.

If we replace Voss were going to need to be very careful to get a coach who can work the players to the best of their ability and not beyond. I love Longmire but he demands everything out of his charges all of the time so they have nowhere to go come finals. A few of their former players have suggested that they were wrecked entering finals. Systems and structures will be immeasurably better but does it matter if they're just as wrecked when it matters?

This is where a coach like Dimma is ideal. He put up with Dusty's poor training habits as long as he kept himself in tip top shape for finals. Malthouse did the same at Collingwood to get the most out of Dane Swan too for example

Voss is the Schrodinger's cat of coaches. He can be both too physically demanding and also not demanding enough.

 

[Wickzki]

Then you get players like McGovern

Not if you get sufficient buy in from the group.

When you achieve buy in from the group you'll find that they keep one another accountable. Anyone who doesn't buy in to the group gets ostracised. Most players don't want that nor do they want to get that reputation because it spreads

We've ended up with McGoverns with the status quo.

Weitering's message to the group about needing go be more accountable isnt something that happens with collective buy in.

 

[Will_Hayward]

Apparently Nick Haynes has been vocal lately about lack of structure and game style. We practice things so much less than they did at GWS

Be great to hear more of his opinion and differences

Well he has either completely changed his mind since June or was lying.

 

[Ninja Worrier]

"Exectution" is his way of blaming players also.

It's possible they can't execute because the game plan is flawed

 

[RPCB]

Apparently Nick Haynes has been vocal lately about lack of structure and game style. We practice things so much less than they did at GWS

Be great to hear more of his opinion and differences

Replace the coaching staff with a pack of Chihuahuas and watch us turn into Flagton next year.

 

[Pablito]

It's possible they can't execute because the game plan is flawed

Bit of column A and B. Generally we are a poor kicking team and the gameplan is bad enough so that we don’t have expected options we can hit up to early as we move the ball up the ground.

Only Voss thinks Voss's plan works. No one else.

 

[Cringle]

Devastated if JSOS did leave. Especially to Collingwood.

However - hypothetically.

Would their ‘lucrative’ deal trigger band 1 compensation?

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

Ah Chee's the one I reckon

Bless you!

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Tell that I am not the only person that googled Dovasten.

He looks like another chunky, pressure/defensive small to me.(Fog, Durds, Mots)

I have to admit that I don't watch many draft highlights until the lead up to the drafting season.(when we know what picks we're playing with)

 

[Soapy V]

Can't wait for Liam Baker to come to us

Seriously back off and take your selfish insecurity elsewhere. Things change very quickly and most of us appreciate the info.

 

[Ninja Worrier]

Bit of column A and B. Generally we are a poor kicking team and the gameplan is bad enough so that we don’t have expected options we can hit up to early as we move the ball up the ground.

Only Voss thinks Voss's plan works. No one else.

True, agree

 

[chickendippas]

Called rumours not facts for a reason.

Surely can take it or leave it without needing to have a crack. Charlie doesn’t have to leave for his latest posts to be accurate either btw.

 

[btdg]

I dare say it IS exactly the right time. Season is over for us. Play the kids, give as many of them a taste as we can.
We've had Voss for 4 years and should know what he's capable (or incapable) of, so whether he goes or stays, the cleanout should start NOW - with Lloyd. Clear the decks before the draft and start getting the RIGHT people in before Preseason.

Nah, see this is the predictable Carlton response. "Wah, Wah, we are very slightly worse than we expected this year. Throw out the baby, the bathwater, the shower curtain, all the bath toys and call in the cleaners because we are completely rebuilding this bathroom from scratch. And we're getting the RIGHT people in to do it this time"

"Season is over for us". No it isn't. There are four games left - almost a quarter of the season. You are going to watch them, I'm going to watch them, and there is a world of difference between ending the year on a 5 game losing streak and ending it with 5 wins in 6 games. All of those games are winnable, too.

"Play the kids". Sure. Aren't we doing that? Don't we want to give them a memorable first experience? Same goes for the veterans who are retiring, playing in milestone games, others who are playing for their careers (maybe trying a new position, maybe just having one last crack). Don't we want to give them a good shot? I'm sure they are rapt that instead of talking game plan their coach has been out all week denying that their star full forward wants to play for Gold Coast. "Ok Binnsy, you are in for this week. Kick it long to Charlie who totally wants to be playing with you, I promise".

Is there a world where a properly focused Voss and playing group aren't distracted by a week of turmoil, and instead put together a more cohesive game plan, don't get beaten senseless in the first quarter vs Hawthorn, and go on to a narrow but inspiring win, that sets up a great run to the end of the year?

I don't know if that's possible, and none of us ever will, because Carlton can simply NEVER allow its team that sort of headspace. Instead the second we are out of finals contention the 'cleanout starts' because its always about sacking until we find the RIGHT people, and no one is ever allowed to have a down year, and then have a chance to turn it around. I mean, we've dropped all the way from 8th to TWELFTH while dealing with a bunch of unexpected injuries and issues- definitely time to hit the panic button.

'Clear the decks before the draft'. Well yes - the draft is scheduled for November 19th, roughly four months away. We can't keep a tight ship and try to maintain an air of professionalism until the last playing game of the season, because that would leave us only three months to get ready? Sorry, I don't buy that.

What on earth would sacking Lloyd today achieve? Some sense of validation for bitter supporters who want blood, any blood, not realising that as soon as blood hits the water in footy, the sharks arrive and start taking chunks from places that you might not have wanted (ie: SOS, Charlie, and whoever else is next...)?

For that matter, whoever thought it was a good idea to announce Wright was taking over in August, before the end of the season, has a lot of thinking to do about what they are trying to achieve. From what has come out in a few places today, it seems that's been the catalyst for a lot of people inside the club going into self-preservation mode and both players and administrators starting to pretty up the resume and look elsewhere.

Well, experience says that when any organisation goes into that mode you lose the pieces you want to keep (because they find a suitor elsewhere quickest) and get left trying to save face with the less attractive options. That's the pathway to a 'full rebuild (tm)'

I just wish for once we hadn't gone down this route. Why can't we be Sydney, who are arguably having a worse year so far - dropped from second to probably missing finals (current match notwithstanding). Why aren't they sacking the whole footy department and blowing it all up, or facing a mass walkout?

 

[lex3191]

Head banging into a brick wall.

I wish he'd concentrate at anything bloody else.

He's so stuck on the contest that he's neglected everything else.

We'll get a really good idea of how long the club (GW) thinks this rebound will take based on what he does with Voss and co at seasons end.

Win the contest, lose the game. It’s been the theme of the season. It’s actually embarrassing if that stat is highlighted by Voss as a success indicator. I don’t watch his presser’s because for the most part I actually can’t understand what he is trying to say.

 

[Opium]

Yep. You have to give Voss credit though. He won't change his mind

His answer to last nights result. We need to keep working harder in contest and get better and more consistent

Lunacy. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting a different result.

 

[Gavstar]

..again - easy for a Chris Scott to say that with his list but yeh, maybe we need a different approach.

Seems to have been their approach with Jack Martin, if they can get him through a finals series it could pay off.

Playing an unable to run Cripps or injured Weitering hasn’t worked for us at all.

 

[JJBagger]

Seems to have been their approach with Jack Martin, if they can get him through a finals series it could pay off.

After missing 12 weeks with a calf injury

 

[BluesByNature]

Nah, see this is the predictable Carlton response. "Wah, Wah, we are very slightly worse than we expected this year. Throw out the baby, the bathwater, the shower curtain, all the bath toys and call in the cleaners because we are completely rebuilding this bathroom from scratch. And we're getting the RIGHT people in to do it this time"

"Season is over for us". No it isn't. There are four games left - almost a quarter of the season. You are going to watch them, I'm going to watch them, and there is a world of difference between ending the year on a 5 game losing streak and ending it with 5 wins in 6 games. All of those games are winnable, too.

"Play the kids". Sure. Aren't we doing that? Don't we want to give them a memorable first experience? Same goes for the veterans who are retiring, playing in milestone games, others who are playing for their careers (maybe trying a new position, maybe just having one last crack). Don't we want to give them a good shot? I'm sure they are rapt that instead of talking game plan their coach has been out all week denying that their star full forward wants to play for Gold Coast. "Ok Binnsy, you are in for this week. Kick it long to Charlie who totally wants to be playing with you, I promise".

Is there a world where a properly focused Voss and playing group aren't distracted by a week of turmoil, and instead put together a more cohesive game plan, don't get beaten senseless in the first quarter vs Hawthorn, and go on to a narrow but inspiring win, that sets up a great run to the end of the year?

I don't know if that's possible, and none of us ever will, because Carlton can simply NEVER allow its team that sort of headspace. Instead the second we are out of finals contention the 'cleanout starts' because its always about sacking until we find the RIGHT people, and no one is ever allowed to have a down year, and then have a chance to turn it around. I mean, we've dropped all the way from 8th to TWELFTH while dealing with a bunch of unexpected injuries and issues- definitely time to hit the panic button.

'Clear the decks before the draft'. Well yes - the draft is scheduled for November 19th, roughly four months away. We can't keep a tight ship and try to maintain an air of professionalism until the last playing game of the season, because that would leave us only three months to get ready? Sorry, I don't buy that.

What on earth would sacking Lloyd today achieve? Some sense of validation for bitter supporters who want blood, any blood, not realising that as soon as blood hits the water in footy, the sharks arrive and start taking chunks from places that you might not have wanted (ie: SOS, Charlie, and whoever else is next...)?

For that matter, whoever thought it was a good idea to announce Wright was taking over in August, before the end of the season, has a lot of thinking to do about what they are trying to achieve. From what has come out in a few places today, it seems that's been the catalyst for a lot of people inside the club going into self-preservation mode and both players and administrators starting to pretty up the resume and look elsewhere.

Well, experience says that when any organisation goes into that mode you lose the pieces you want to keep (because they find a suitor elsewhere quickest) and get left trying to save face with the less attractive options. That's the pathway to a 'full rebuild (tm)'

I just wish for once we hadn't gone down this route. Why can't we be Sydney, who are arguably having a worse year so far - dropped from second to probably missing finals (current match notwithstanding). Why aren't they sacking the whole footy department and blowing it all up, or facing a mass walkout?

Mate, we lost to Richmond in round 1, which was GAME 1 of their rebuild.

 

[Carl]

Nah, see this is the predictable Carlton response. "Wah, Wah, we are very slightly worse than we expected this year. Throw out the baby, the bathwater, the shower curtain, all the bath toys and call in the cleaners because we are completely rebuilding this bathroom from scratch. And we're getting the RIGHT people in to do it this time"

"Season is over for us". No it isn't. There are four games left - almost a quarter of the season. You are going to watch them, I'm going to watch them, and there is a world of difference between ending the year on a 5 game losing streak and ending it with 5 wins in 6 games. All of those games are winnable, too.

"Play the kids". Sure. Aren't we doing that? Don't we want to give them a memorable first experience? Same goes for the veterans who are retiring, playing in milestone games, others who are playing for their careers (maybe trying a new position, maybe just having one last crack). Don't we want to give them a good shot? I'm sure they are rapt that instead of talking game plan their coach has been out all week denying that their star full forward wants to play for Gold Coast. "Ok Binnsy, you are in for this week. Kick it long to Charlie who totally wants to be playing with you, I promise".

Is there a world where a properly focused Voss and playing group aren't distracted by a week of turmoil, and instead put together a more cohesive game plan, don't get beaten senseless in the first quarter vs Hawthorn, and go on to a narrow but inspiring win, that sets up a great run to the end of the year?

I don't know if that's possible, and none of us ever will, because Carlton can simply NEVER allow its team that sort of headspace. Instead the second we are out of finals contention the 'cleanout starts' because its always about sacking until we find the RIGHT people, and no one is ever allowed to have a down year, and then have a chance to turn it around. I mean, we've dropped all the way from 8th to TWELFTH while dealing with a bunch of unexpected injuries and issues- definitely time to hit the panic button.

'Clear the decks before the draft'. Well yes - the draft is scheduled for November 19th, roughly four months away. We can't keep a tight ship and try to maintain an air of professionalism until the last playing game of the season, because that would leave us only three months to get ready? Sorry, I don't buy that.

What on earth would sacking Lloyd today achieve? Some sense of validation for bitter supporters who want blood, any blood, not realising that as soon as blood hits the water in footy, the sharks arrive and start taking chunks from places that you might not have wanted (ie: SOS, Charlie, and whoever else is next...)?

For that matter, whoever thought it was a good idea to announce Wright was taking over in August, before the end of the season, has a lot of thinking to do about what they are trying to achieve. From what has come out in a few places today, it seems that's been the catalyst for a lot of people inside the club going into self-preservation mode and both players and administrators starting to pretty up the resume and look elsewhere.

Well, experience says that when any organisation goes into that mode you lose the pieces you want to keep (because they find a suitor elsewhere quickest) and get left trying to save face with the less attractive options. That's the pathway to a 'full rebuild (tm)'

I just wish for once we hadn't gone down this route. Why can't we be Sydney, who are arguably having a worse year so far - dropped from second to probably missing finals (current match notwithstanding). Why aren't they sacking the whole footy department and blowing it all up, or facing a mass walkout?

You related to the captain of the Titanic?