List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[Joffaboy]

Are we sure they would?

Again, the move here is either pay it cause hes worth that or sell him that weve got a premiership contending list and we need to balance that out.

I suppose in some ways its kicking the can down the road but either way its better than losing him now.

I agree, he is NOT a 2 mill a year player, but for us he is worth that for two years. Worst case is we get much much better draft capital than today and our SC is not blown to the shithouse.
We can afford 2 years at 2 but the hard negotiating would be done during those two years.

 

[stavro#4]

2 years is a long time. Longer hes here the longer we have to try to convince/accommodate him to stay, and the longer we have to grow as team to the point the loss won’t hurt as much.

Lots of hope in this idea mate. Which is why I’m against the $2m+ offer unless it comes with a significant commitment to it.

It’s creating all kinds of issues for us in 2 years.

 

[phantom13]

What outcome are you on about!?

I’m openly saying I don’t want to lose him. But gearing your entire rebuild around a bloke who buggers off in 2 years is a significantly bigger problem than it is today.

That’s nothing but fact. The crows and power likely have the same assets on offer in 2 years than they do today.

They won’t magically have a top 5 pick in 2027. They have Tasmania right there.

Take off the Nas coloured glasses and be completely objective about this.

Whatever we are building by the end of 2027 is geared around Nas as the superstar. It falls apart if he goes.

It might be recoverable today from a list build point of view.

Youre so ****ing sure he leaves in 2 years. Mr Eternal Optimist thinks theres just no ****ing way we could possibly retain him in 2 years.

Mate, you know tassie can trade picks for players, alternately we can trade picks for players as well. Rachelle, Bergman, whoever will all be potentially part of it much more than they are now especially if we can say "hey, we are close to a flag now".

They have absolutely **** all right now but in 2 years they have way more options to work something with Tassies concessions.

I say "youre not this dumb" enough that im genuinely starting to think you might be.

 

[phantom13]

Lots of hope in this idea mate. Which is why I’m against the $2m+ offer unless it comes with a significant commitment to it.

It’s creating all kinds of issues for us in 2 years.

Its a 2 year deal, it actually creates no issues for us in 2 years. Cause its not a ****ing thing in 2 years.

 

[Saint Shags]

People here think Jon Ralph hasn’t got any links to St Kilda, despite him breaking the Max Hall contract extension news.

Would suggest that the one that first broke it was Eddie Macguires young man who works on 7.

Arguably losing NAS is worse in 2 years time than it is today.

What the?
It might be more palatable in terms of trade resources though!

I'd rather two more years to prove we are going somewhere rather than nothing.

If we cant be aiming for that 8th spot next year then we will be in more trouble than the threat of losing Nas at the end of 2027.

 

[Sully111]

What outcome are you on about!?

I’m openly saying I don’t want to lose him. But gearing your entire rebuild around a bloke who buggers off in 2 years is a significantly bigger problem than it is today.

That’s nothing but fact. The crows and power likely have the same assets on offer in 2 years than they do today.

They won’t magically have a top 5 pick in 2027. They have Tasmania right there.

Take off the Nas coloured glasses and be completely objective about this.

Whatever we are building by the end of 2027 is geared around Nas as the superstar. It falls apart if he goes.

It might be recoverable today from a list build point of view.

You're stating a lot of things as fact to suit your narrative.

You have no idea if the crows and port will be in a better position to trade in 2 years time, just as you don't know for sure if Nas will want to leave then.

The concept that Nas wants to see how we're looking in 2 years time, particularly with how we've gone overall this year and with Lyon's contract ending then, isn't a hard one to grasp.

It's worth a punt to pay one of the top few players in the comp what he's asking for to find out, particularly if we have room in the cap.

 

[Saint Shags]

It’s been reported this week that if west coast don’t accept the deal he will ask for a trade this off season to get said deal in vic.

Its been reported that, thats what he and his management group have put towards the Eagles.

Do you think it will be the same contract if he comes home?

I would think not.

 

[Sully111]

Its a 2 year deal, it actually creates no issues for us in 2 years. Cause its not a ****ing thing in 2 years.

Pretty sure if we pay Nas 2 mil a season and he leaves in 2 years my dick will fall off.

Pretty sure that's what's gonna happen.

And a heap of puppies will die

So many dead puppies

 

[stavro#4]

Youre so ****ing sure he leaves in 2 years. Mr Eternal Optimist thinks theres just no ****ing way we could possibly retain him in 2 years.

Mate, you know tassie can trade picks for players, alternately we can trade picks for players as well. Rachelle, Bergman, whoever will all be potentially part of it much more than they are now especially if we can say "hey, we are close to a flag now".

They have absolutely **** all right now but in 2 years they have way more options to work something with Tassies concessions.

I say "youre not this dumb" enough that im genuinely starting to think you might be.

I think you live in absolute dreamland.

We could get all those players you mentioned today and trade them all in bigger deals. So it doesn’t change anything other than maybe their values in 2 years.

And I’m not saying he wouldn’t stay, I’m purely pointing out the absolute stupidity in offering a $2m a year deal for no long term commitment and then in another post your saying well we just tell the 24 year old superstar that he can’t have that he has to have less.

Like that might genuinely be the stupidest thing I’ve seen. Trying to walk back offers you make in desperation.

It’s purely kicking the can down the road instead of negotiating a fair outcome for both the football club you apparently support and the player you absolutely love.

And if he does go today or in 2027. My point was very clearly that leaving in 2027 hurts us significantly more than it does today. You lose 2 years of building and development + whatever the damage is post 2027.

 

[BrutThough]

I don't understand why we're not into him tbh.

Probably because he's about to turn 28. Aleer is more in our age profile.

 

[BrutThough]

Lots of hope in this idea mate. Which is why I’m against the $2m+ offer unless it comes with a significant commitment to it.

It’s creating all kinds of issues for us in 2 years.

Exactly. If he wants us to match the first two years offered by th SA clubs then he needs to come to the party and offer a longer commitment like he would be giving to those clubs.

 

[Saints43]

SOS has offered Nas the biggest contract of any current saint in the history of our club. He’s not the one playing hardball here, we are bent over on all fours.

Yep, and just on the increase of our offer... that's not because we were lowballing him but because the first contract offer was to a gun half back, the current offer is to a gun mid. They're different pay scales.

 

[stavro#4]

You're stating a lot of things as fact to suit your narrative.

You have no idea if the crows and port will be in a better position to trade in 2 years time, just as you don't know for sure if Nas will want to leave then.

The concept that Nas wants to see how we're looking in 2 years time, particularly with how we've gone overall this year and with Lyon's contract ending then, isn't a hard one to grasp.

It's worth a punt to pay one of the top few players in the comp what he's asking for to find out, particularly if we have room in the cap.

I’m talking from the same facts you the club or any other football fan are looking at.

You think the crows won’t be there or there abouts in 2 years?

Do you think port of healthy don’t bounce to a degree?

Do you think we get better picks when Tassie holds most of them? If they don’t want to come to stkilda or north what makes you think they are going to run to Tassie in 2027?

Apply logic.

 

[phantom13]

I think you live in absolute dreamland.

We could get all those players you mentioned today and trade them all in bigger deals. So it doesn’t change anything other than maybe their values in 2 years.

And I’m not saying he wouldn’t stay, I’m purely pointing out the absolute stupidity in offering a $2m a year deal for no long term commitment and then in another post your saying well we just tell the 24 year old superstar that he can’t have that he has to have less.

Like that might genuinely be the stupidest thing I’ve seen. Trying to walk back offers you make in desperation.

It’s purely kicking the can down the road instead of negotiating a fair outcome for both the football club you apparently support and the player you absolutely love.

And if he does go today or in 2027. My point was very clearly that leaving in 2027 hurts us significantly more than it does today. You lose 2 years of building and development + whatever the damage is post 2027.

I couldnt possibly disagree with you any more.

Moronic take, I hope SOS isnt this stupid.

 

[phantom13]

SOS has offered Nas the biggest contract of any current saint in the history of our club. He’s not the one playing hardball here, we are bent over on all fours.

Biggest contract in the history of our club... For two months when it gets ****ing blown our of the water.

 

[Sully111]

I’m talking from the same facts you the club or any other football fan are looking at.

You think the crows won’t be there or there abouts in 2 years?

Do you think port of healthy don’t bounce to a degree?

Do you think we get better picks when Tassie holds most of them? If they don’t want to come to stkilda or north what makes you think they are going to run to Tassie in 2027?

Apply logic.

I don't know the answers to those things for sure.

Either do you.

 

[stavro#4]

I couldnt possibly disagree with you any more.

Moronic take, I hope SOS isnt this stupid.

The club and Ben Williams have a fractured at best relationship right now over this deal but in 2 years they are going to sing Kumbiyah and Nas is going to take LESS THAN WHAT HE SIGNS FOR TODAY.

The only moronic rationale this morning was yours. I’d drug test you if that’s your belief.

 

[Sully111]

Exactly. If he wants us to match the first two years offered by th SA clubs then he needs to come to the party and offer a longer commitment like he would be giving to those clubs.

I certainly hope that's what we're pushing for, but when push comes to shove, if that's what it takes to keep him, so be it.

 

[phantom13]

Exactly. If he wants us to match the first two years offered by th SA clubs then he needs to come to the party and offer a longer commitment like he would be giving to those clubs.

He doesnt actually need to do anything. We need him a **** load more than he needs us.

 

[stavro#4]

I don't know the answers to those things for sure.

Either do you.

That’s the point genius.

You have to make an assumption based off the information you do know. Not kumbiyah crap your mate thinks is happening.

The facts as you know them are not changing the landscape for us in a significantly positive way when projecting towards 2027 and if he leaves then.

 

[phantom13]

The club and Ben Williams have a fractured at best relationship right now over this deal but in 2 years they are going to sing Kumbiyah and Nas is going to take LESS THAN WHAT HE SIGNS FOR TODAY.

The only moronic rationale this morning was yours. I’d drug test you if that’s your belief.

Nas will be 2 years more mature and aware of the system in 2 years time, might even have a new manager by then.

But no, much better to tell him and his manager who hates us apparently $1.4m for 2, more for longer, or you can **** off to port anyway".

Stav, youve ****ing lost it with this. Truly.

 

[Broski]

If it is a two-year that Nas signs, it won’t be ideal but it will obviously give us the time that is required to convince him to stay long-term. He’s going to be highly paid wherever he’s playing and we will never know potential clauses in contracts. If the worst case scenario happens and he signs a deal and leaves when Tasmania comes into the competition, at least the SA clubs should be able to get creative with the picks Tasmania will receive, as the AFL is leaning towards them having to trade some of their first rounders, much like North a couple of seasons ago.

 

[phantom13]

That’s the point genius.

You have to make an assumption based off the information you do know. Not kumbiyah crap your mate thinks is happening.

The facts as you know them are not changing the landscape for us in a significantly positive way when projecting towards 2027 and if he leaves then.

Only one person is definitive about what happenes in 2027 in this chat and its not me or Sully.

Both of us have pointed out that the worst case scenario for us is still better.

 

[Speck]

I also think there's a little bit in SOS not recruiting JSOS too. He has that habit of picking up old players and this is a bit of a bridge too far. I agree he'd be a solid stop gap - but I think Aleer is the perfect age for us, and our recruiting has been excellent of late.

 

[akaifu]

I don't understand why we're not into him tbh.

Too short term, injured, not a needle mover. Waste of money and time

Invest in the youth