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Umpiring Round 2 Bulldogs v Collingwood

How was the umpiring?

  • It was fair to both teams

    Votes: 2 2.5%

  • It was mostly ok except for a couple of decisions

    Votes: 6 7.6%

  • Collingwood definitely got the rub of the green but deserved to win

    Votes: 15 19.0%

  • The last few decisions cost the Bulldogs the game

    Votes: 20 25.3%

  • Worst umpired game I’ve ever seen.

    Votes: 36 45.6%
  • Total voters
    79

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To revisit this for a minute. We had 7 pages of complaints and debate about supposedly biased umpiring favouring the Pies on the back of a close game and tense fourth quarter. This was using flimsy examples and a big outrage over a non deliberate call against N Daicos which had zero scoring impact.

Now compared that to this weekend with one of the most one sided display of umpiring you can imagine, against the Pies, with multiple howlers directly impacting scores including late game errors (throw, down field, thilthorpe kick). And funnily enough a wrong deliberate call where the Crows player who actually kicked the ball out received the free kick.

I can’t see the same level of discussion here over it. Do we think these kind of discussions tend to have more to do with which team benefits, rather than a neutral assessment of the game?

My philosophy is outside of finals you win some you lose some so no point crying foul. But I find the inconsistency most interesting.
 
Vankri said:
To revisit this for a minute. We had 7 pages of complaints and debate about supposedly biased umpiring favouring the Pies on the back of a close game and tense fourth quarter. This was using flimsy examples and a big outrage over a non deliberate call against N Daicos which had zero scoring impact.

Now compared that to this weekend with one of the most one sided display of umpiring you can imagine, against the Pies, with multiple howlers directly impacting scores including late game errors (throw, down field, thilthorpe kick). And funnily enough a wrong deliberate call where the Crows player who actually kicked the ball out received the free kick.

I can’t see the same level of discussion here over it. Do we think these kind of discussions tend to have more to do with which team benefits, rather than a neutral assessment of the game?

My philosophy is outside of finals you win some you lose some so no point crying foul. But I find the inconsistency most interesting.
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Great Call-out.

Astute Call-out.

It's called 'Tall Poppy Syndrome'.
 
Vankri said:
To revisit this for a minute. We had 7 pages of complaints and debate about supposedly biased umpiring favouring the Pies on the back of a close game and tense fourth quarter. This was using flimsy examples and a big outrage over a non deliberate call against N Daicos which had zero scoring impact.

Now compared that to this weekend with one of the most one sided display of umpiring you can imagine, against the Pies, with multiple howlers directly impacting scores including late game errors (throw, down field, thilthorpe kick). And funnily enough a wrong deliberate call where the Crows player who actually kicked the ball out received the free kick.

I can’t see the same level of discussion here over it. Do we think these kind of discussions tend to have more to do with which team benefits, rather than a neutral assessment of the game?

My philosophy is outside of finals you win some you lose some so no point crying foul. But I find the inconsistency most interesting.
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You have no leg to stand on after round 2. That was far worse than your Adelaide game, but the reason you're ok with it is because it significantly benefited Collingwood
 
Doggy said:
You have no leg to stand on after round 2. That was far worse than your Adelaide game, but the reason you're ok with it is because it significantly benefited Collingwood
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Actually it factually was not. If you boil it down to scoreboard impact it’s a complete non comparison. People who never learnt to control their emotions as children react very poorly to late close games and when blinded by bias they react accordingly. The game this weekend was as bad as it can get umpiring wise against us, yet it gets lost in the discourse. You’re not used to it as a Dogs supporter, but it’s pretty obvious to a Collingwood supporter where the biases in ‘neutrals’ opinion lie.
 
Vankri said:
Actually it factually was not. If you boil it down to scoreboard impact it’s a complete non comparison. People who never learnt to control their emotions as children react very poorly to late close games and when blinded by bias they react accordingly. The game this weekend was as bad as it can get umpiring wise against us, yet it gets lost in the discourse. You’re not used to it as a Dogs supporter, but it’s pretty obvious to a Collingwood supporter where the biases in ‘neutrals’ opinion lie.
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Have a whinge. You're ok robbing a team but as soon as it is goes the other way it should be a royal commission.

Maybe you should look at the freekick ladder because the dogs are nowhere near the pointy end. Collingwood on the other hand.. now who isn't use to it? We couldn't even get the rub at home against WC.
 
Doggy said:
Have a whinge. You're ok robbing a team but as soon as it is goes the other way it should be a royal commission.

Maybe you should look at the freekick ladder because the dogs are nowhere near the pointy end. Collingwood on the other hand.. now who isn't use to it? We couldn't even get the rub at home against WC.

Piss off.
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Is the free kick ladder more important than the actual ladder?

Big game for the Doggies this weekend....
 
Doggy said:
Have a whinge. You're ok robbing a team but as soon as it is goes the other way it should be a royal commission.

Maybe you should look at the freekick ladder because the dogs are nowhere near the pointy end. Collingwood on the other hand.. now who isn't use to it? We couldn't even get the rub at home against WC.

Piss off.
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Like I said, some people have trouble regulating their emotions.

I don’t use free kick differential to assess umpiring performance, it’s not a useful metric.

If I did, you would find that it doesn’t paint the picture you think it does.

And if you read more carefully, you would see I’m in no way saying umpiring consistently favours the Dogs. I’m merely pointing out the discrepancy in public discussions and showing the obvious bias mentioned earlier in the thread when it comes to close games involving the Pies.
 
Fadge said:
Is the free kick ladder more important than the actual ladder?

Big game for the Doggies this weekend....
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Freekicks seems to be a big thing for your fellow supporter. Apparently it is the reason why Collingwood lost on the weekend but a differential more than 2 x in round 2 means nothing because Collingwood won. Cool story.

I'm not that worried about Fremantle.

Big game for Collingwood too. Lose and there is no top 4, don't won by enough no top 4.
 
Vankri said:
Like I said, some people have trouble regulating their emotions.

I don’t use free kick differential to assess umpiring performance, it’s not a useful metric.

If I did, you would find that it doesn’t paint the picture you think it does.

And if you read more carefully, you would see I’m in no way saying umpiring consistently favours the Dogs. I’m merely pointing out the discrepancy in public discussions and showing the obvious bias mentioned earlier in the thread when it comes to close games involving the Pies.
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While also saying ... "derp, not fair on Collingwood unless it favours us."
 

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Vankri said:
And if you read more carefully, you would see I’m in no way saying umpiring consistently favours the Dogs. I’m merely pointing out the discrepancy in public discussions and showing the obvious bias mentioned earlier in the thread when it comes to close games involving the Pies.
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May I direct you to the following 3000+ post thread, because people clearly only complain about umpiring when they perceive it to favour poor little Collingwood:

The Bulldogs and Umpires: Time for a Royal Commission?

For 3 years now, I'm staggered week in, week out, at the highly irregular free kick count toward the Bulldogs. It's extraordinary. Granted, my title was a bit sensationalist - however it's surely not merely a coincidence. It's been happening at bizarre, and dare I say unprecedented levels...
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Doggy said:
You're the one opening a thread from a round 2 game to whinge about the umpires costing Collingwood a round 23 game.

See the irony now? Might be lost on you.
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And that has to do with comprehension in what way? If you look at my post it uses this game as an example to point out the difference in discussion. So it’s pretty relevant to the thread.
 
Doggy said:
You're the one opening a thread from a round 2 game to whinge about the umpires costing Collingwood a round 23 game.

See the irony now? Might be lost on you.
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Those complaining earlier in the year had simply failed to regulate their own emotions, unlike this guy who is in complete control and is merely pointing out the discrepancy. :$
 
Vankri said:
And that has to do with comprehension in what way? If you look at my post it uses this game as an example to point out the difference in discussion. So it’s pretty relevant to the thread.
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And you seem to be missing the point that when it favours collingwood it is okay, but when it doesn't it isn't.

It wasn't particularly good this round, but if you think the round 2 umpiring was fine you're a complete numpty
 

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Doggy said:
And you seem to be missing the point that when it favours collingwood it is okay, but when it doesn't it isn't.

It wasn't particularly good this round, but if you think the round 2 umpiring was fine you're a complete numpty
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You do understand things exist on a spectrum? Something can be better or worse relative to another without it being a black or white ‘it’s fine’ ‘it’s not fine’? If you're struggling with this maybe the point I was making is simply lost on you. Enjoy the end of the season!
 
Vankri said:
You do understand things exist on a spectrum? Something can be better or worse relative to another without it being a black or white ‘it’s fine’ ‘it’s not fine’? If you're struggling with this maybe the point I was making is simply lost on you. Enjoy the end of the season!
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Nice passive aggressive response.

Collingwood will probably be out first week of the finals and the cliff is coming fast, so you might enjoy that too.
 
Vankri said:
To revisit this for a minute. We had 7 pages of complaints and debate about supposedly biased umpiring favouring the Pies on the back of a close game and tense fourth quarter. This was using flimsy examples and a big outrage over a non deliberate call against N Daicos which had zero scoring impact.

Now compared that to this weekend with one of the most one sided display of umpiring you can imagine, against the Pies, with multiple howlers directly impacting scores including late game errors (throw, down field, thilthorpe kick). And funnily enough a wrong deliberate call where the Crows player who actually kicked the ball out received the free kick.

I can’t see the same level of discussion here over it. Do we think these kind of discussions tend to have more to do with which team benefits, rather than a neutral assessment of the game?

My philosophy is outside of finals you win some you lose some so no point crying foul. But I find the inconsistency most interesting.
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The Collingwood Doggies game had a 33-14 free kick count. It wasn't just complaining about one call that 'cost the game', it was highlighting how ridiculously one-sided the overall count was.

Saturday night's game was 25-18. Yes favoured one side but not to remotely the same extent.
 

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