Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2025, Part 2

[Strange Cat]

Rankine could have thought of all of these factors before coming up with his 'feedback' on the weekend. This is not even a 'football act' gone wrong. It's just an incredibly dumb and unkind way to behave, with known ramifications that have been routinely reinforced across the competition over the past couple of seasons.

I have zero sympathy and see it as an absolutely textbook example of the need to simply 'do better'. And before anyone starts up with a 'rules for some' defence of his behaviour, I'd be just as adamant if it was one of our players.

#Respect
#allwereasking
#sortitout

It’s like any other workplace you have a code of conduct, if you breach it you get into abit of strife

He really doesn’t have much to complain about

 

[Munich]

We’ve officially moved into premiership favourites off the back of the Rankine story

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Nooooo. I want to stay under radar

 

[Turbocat]

Some would argue that derogatory comments have the potential to harm someone's mental health just like a high hit can harm someone's physical wellbeing.

I concede that they have to be careful how far this goes otherwise we risk becoming too precious, but for me the point here is that Rankin was well aware of the AFL's stance around such comments and the punishments handed out in recent times for the same. He knew, he was fully aware, but he still chose to go there.

It's on his head, and his alone. He dared to step over a CLEAR line in the sand and has to cop the whack.

I tend to think that being carefull will have nothing to do with it … The pressure of modern tastes have changed the landscape …and how can any one define what comment has a mental impact on someone except by defining it by their own biases. Being called anything by the very nature is said to cause mental loss of focus. Th N word in the USA is classic ..as its very much defined by who says it and their colour rather than the word itself being a weapon. If you dislike someone then any comment could cause metal anguish.. the classic Voss on Voss comment may be enough to set some off. In this Rankine situation apparently it was not the player themselves that wanted to proceed , it was the other players that heard it and felt aggrieved … so who knows where that eventually stops as modern tastes influence behaviour.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

 

[thegerman]

Some would argue that derogatory comments have the potential to harm someone's mental health just like a high hit can harm someone's physical wellbeing.

I concede that they have to be careful how far this goes otherwise we risk becoming too precious, but for me the point here is that Rankin was well aware of the AFL's stance around such comments and the punishments handed out in recent times for the same. He knew, he was fully aware, but he still chose to go there.

It's on his head, and his alone. He dared to step over a CLEAR line in the sand and has to cop the whack.

The issue I’ve made today is that it’s quite clear why no man has stepped forward to come out. Simplistic views of vulgar comments are even to say homophobic slurs, what’s next the colour of their skin?

I’ve never been a minority group. Not even close. For me to judge what pain comes from continuously being subjected to slurs, it’s not going to be right or fair.

Given a high % of women’s players are gay, do we accept that slurs are also affecting their players?

Players know it’s unacceptable; so to say how hard done by player A or B has it, from their own indiscretion is ridiculous just by the way of missing a final.

 

[cats_09]

 

[Commando]

Firstly I'm probably a cave man and while I don't condone what Rankine has allegedly said there is something grossly wrong with a player missing 3-5 games for a homophobic slur, any slur really.

But I admit I'm yesterday's man and I went through in very different times.

 

[And_ROOS]

Firstly I'm probably a cave man and while I don't condone what Rankine has allegedly said there is something grossly wrong with a player missing 3-5 games for a homophobic slur, any slur really.

But I admit I'm yesterday's man and I went through in very different times.

End of the day the AFL players are in a work place, and you can't make homophobic slurs at co-workers.

 

[Commando]

End of the day the AFL players are in a work place, and you can't make homophobic slurs at co-workers.

Granted,
But 5 weeks! That's up there with the most heinous acts referred straight to tribunal
Punishment fitting the crime and all that.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Granted,
But 5 weeks! That's up there with the most heinous acts referred straight to tribunal
Punishment fitting the crime and all that.

Should have threatened violence in Darwin.
That's just a week off.

 

[DT_35]

So between TDK and NAS they would be paying if the TDK rumours of 1.8mil are true 3.8mil for 2 players which would be over 20% for 2 players **** the Saints are stupid

Serious question, have you ever heard of teams front ending players contracts to save money in the future? Or even spending only 95% of the teams salary cap and banking the remaining 5% for up to 3-4 years. Because that’s what we’ve done. We could pay NAS’ entire 4 mil next year, not a problem and/or TDK a lump sum in year 1 to reduce the remainder of the contract.

 

[thegerman]

Granted,
But 5 weeks! That's up there with the most heinous acts referred straight to tribunal
Punishment fitting the crime and all that.

In some industries, you might be sacked on the spot. 3-5 weeks paid time off to think about it is not a hardship.

 

[Commando]

In some industries, you might be sacked on the spot. 3-5 paid time off to think about it is not a hardship.

You might end up in jail for hitting someone too.

 

[thegerman]

You might end up in jail for hitting someone too.

So how is this related?

 

[Cataholic]

Granted,
But 5 weeks! That's up there with the most heinous acts referred straight to tribunal
Punishment fitting the crime and all that.

Whether or not the punishment fits the crime is another debate.

The AFL has made it abundantly clear that it's a line not to be crossed and have already suspended 5 (?) players in the AFL / VFL for such slurs, with suspensions between 4 and 6 weeks.

This was well known to Rankin, and every other player in the system. He was fully aware of the issue and the penalty such transgression brought.

He did it anyway. Got absolutely no-one to blame but himself for the predicament he is in.

 

[goyoucatters]

I really dislike suspensions now. They serve little and as there have already been several suspensions for this type of error.. it doesnt seem to have stopped anything. Id much rather a punishment in game. Players are driven by in game outcome. See how they have changed tackles. They say stuff to try to put opponents off and he crossed the line..but would he if it was a goal to the other side if heard?

The idea that an in-game penalty would act as a more effective deterrent than banning players for entire matches (and potential finals) seems extremely unlikely to me. It would be a manifestly less costly penalty for players so I don't see any way that it would produce a more pronounced adjustment to player behaviour.

And as for the idea that it hasn't stopped anything, we can at least say that not one of the players who has been suspended for vilification in the last couple of seasons has been subsequently brought before the integrity unit again on a similar charge. So even seeing that those players have reined in their behaviour has to be considered as part of the worth of the AFL's push to ensure this kind of language has no place around football.

 

[Commando]

You might end up in jail for hitting someone too.

Football field is a different place than any other

Look to reiterate I don't condone what he's allegedly done, I'd hope none of ours would be silly enough to do it either
But 5 weeks is an insane penalty

Like I said I'm a caveman though

 

[thegerman]

Football field is a different place than any other

Look to reiterate I don't condone what he's allegedly done, I'd hope none of ours would be silly enough to do it either
But 5 weeks is an insane penalty

Like I said I'm a caveman though

Do you accept that the ground is a workplace? Is that language acceptable in workplaces?

 

[Commando]

Do you accept that the ground is a workplace? Is that language acceptable in workplaces?

It's a different workplace.
But you seem to think I'm defending what was alleged

I'm saying 5 weeks is a heavy handed penalty

 

[goyoucatters]

Do you accept that the ground is a workplace? Is that language acceptable in workplaces?

Running out on the ground and playing footy is most definitely a key component of every football player's workplace. And players like Rankine are paid incredibly handsomely for the services they provide to their employers. So being able to restrain yourself from vilifying other people in that workplace would seem to me to be a very elementary fulfilment of your wider obligations as an employee.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

End of the day the AFL players are in a work place, and you can't make homophobic slurs at co-workers.

That's all true but the afl lost all credibility on this when they gave willie rioli 1 week for something far worse. Then again they still let thugs like Leigh matthews on footy shows so I suppose that says a lot about the afl.

 

[Spearman]

It's a different workplace.
But you seem to think I'm defending what was alleged

I'm saying 5 weeks is a heavy handed penalty

I think heavy-handedness is the point. Go hard and make an impression.
I live in very lax country from a law enforcement view. They pick and choose when to enforce laws like helmets on cycles, blasting through yellow and red lights, sanitation in eating establishments, etc. Once they decided to crack down on the helmets and ruthless ticketed for a few months, then only most of the time. Helmetlessness became a rare occurrence.
They really want to stamp it out, make examples of some players, stars or not. But just be consistent. Don't let this one or that slide for 'reasons'. That is what usually happens here and the result is dangerous chaos most of the time.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Adelaide must be fuming.

Let's see if the AFL has the balls to suspend a star player from the flag fav for finals.

I'm not confident they do.

Let's see how the AFL takes a strong stance on what Rankine has said...

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I knew a brother who used to dress just like a f____t

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Over 26% of the cap will be used on three players. NAS, De Koning and King. Unprecedented stuff but they have to do something I guess. Boom or bust

You might have to account for them front loading kings contract though

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Granted,
But 5 weeks! That's up there with the most heinous acts referred straight to tribunal
Punishment fitting the crime and all that.

In normal workplaces people can straight up lose their jobs for similar