Club Focus North Melbourne 2025

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[Jugada]

I was agreeing with you. Awful trade, like the WC one.

Lol sure mate we in agreeance then

 

[Wild Bill]

No that's just rubbish. By this logic you could trade pick 1 for picks 15 and 50 and then just say only tine will tell which players turn out better

The trade in a vacuum was complete dog shit and that should just be acknowledged rather than all this what if isms

So if we win the trade what happens then? Should we still shake our fists in rage and call the win dog shit?

 

[Jugada]

So if we win the trade what happens then? Should we still shake our fists in rage and call the win dog shit?

Well you didn't win the trade so what a pointless hypothetical

 

[captain cotch 9]

We haven't ****ed up a R1 pick since Phillips so not sure what you're on about here.

If Marcus didn't produce a few geniuses, somehow, you'd be mired in mid-table madness for the foreseeable.

Dursma?

 

[Chip Scab1]

You gave up pick 3 on the basis that you'd make top 8 this year which would probably make that trade a win. Bottom 3 and giving up pick 3 is a disaster. It could have been traded for an A grade player or drafted a gun.

Its ok to be ashamed that North made that trade. I know I would be.

I'm ashamed of a lot, that trade isn't on the 1st page. As poor as it was at the time, I don't think we need another Duursma (we have the better one already), CDT (Goad is much better), we could have got Lyndsey, sure but we already have better (Hardeman).

What you're saying would be spot on for any year but this one, I don't think you're ready to acknowledge that this year is a bit of one-off.

Dursma?

I'm not going to throw a kid under a bus whose had injuries- not to win a point with a random!

Duursma would be probably your most talented kid. You dream of selecting a Duursma rather than a Hammies Lawla

 

[Elixuh]

I'm ashamed of a lot, that trade isn't on the 1st page. As poor as it was at the time, I don't think we need another Duursma (we have the better one already), CDT (Goad is much better), we could have got Lyndsey, sure but we already have better (Hardeman).

What you're saying would be spot on for any year but this one, I don't think you're ready to acknowledge that this year is a bit of one-off.

I'm not going to throw a kid under a bus whose had injuries- not to win a point with a random!

Duursma would be probably your most talented kid. You dream of selecting a Duursma rather than a Hammies Lawla

As a general rule, never draft a Duursma. WCE are on notice this draft.

 

[captain cotch 9]

I'm ashamed of a lot, that trade isn't on the 1st page. As poor as it was at the time, I don't think we need another Duursma (we have the better one already), CDT (Goad is much better), we could have got Lyndsey, sure but we already have better (Hardeman).

What you're saying would be spot on for any year but this one, I don't think you're ready to acknowledge that this year is a bit of one-off.

I'm not going to throw a kid under a bus whose had injuries- not to win a point with a random!

Duursma would be probably your most talented kid. You dream of selecting a Duursma rather than a Hammies Lawla

 

[GoRoos2023]

No that's just rubbish. By this logic you could trade pick 1 for picks 15 and 50 and then just say only tine will tell which players turn out better

The trade in a vacuum was complete dog shit and that should just be acknowledged rather than all this what if isms

How the trade works out we will see. If you would like to understand the clubs rationale on why they did it it is.

1- We rated Matt Whitlock at pick 12 on last years board. Whether that turns about to be correct remains to be seen.
This is how all clubs work, the have their own internal rankings. At a club level we traded this years first pick for pick 12 last year.

2-We had our first round pick on the table for this years draft for any club to trade with us for all night. The first club to take up the offer was Richmond. Every other club preferred to keep their 2024 pick.
That in itself should tell you the regard this years draft was valued

3- After taking the best available talent for 2024 with our pick 2 the club took Finn O’Sullivan they were determined to take a tall with the later pick. There was an expectation there would not be an elite tall at the Whitlock level in the 2025 draft at our first pick.

It could work out to be a terrible trade, but hopefully this context helps

We def didn’t expect to play finals lol.

 

[TigerTime88]

How the trade works out we will see. If you would like to understand the clubs rationale on why they did it it is.

1- We rated Matt Whitlock at pick 12 on last years board. Whether that turns about to be correct remains to be seen.
This is how all clubs work, the have their own internal rankings. At a club level we traded this years first pick for pick 12 last year.

2-We had our first round pick on the table for this years draft for any club to trade with us for all night. The first club to take up the offer was Richmond. Every other club preferred to keep their 2024 pick.
That in itself should tell you the regard this years draft was valued

3- After taking the best available talent for 2024 with our pick 2 the club took Finn O’Sullivan they were determined to take a tall with the later pick. There was an expectation there would not be an elite tall at the Whitlock level in the 2025 draft at our first pick.

It could work out to be a terrible trade, but hopefully this context helps

We def didn’t expect to play finals lol.

Or it says a lot that you rated him at 12 and every other recruiting department didn't rate him anywhere near that.

Ultimately North could of done this so many other ways. FOS pick just had to be split as while he will be a good player he is not what North needed. Daniel trade is diabolical.

To be fair to Rawlings the team let him down. No way North expected to be bottom three again and I think that's fair. Makes it look a lot worse than if it was 10-12.

 

[bzparkes]

As a general rule, never draft a Duursma. WCE are on notice this draft.

Nah.

Xavier - Adam/Troy Selwood
Zane - Scott Selwood
Willem - Joel Selwood

 

[captain cotch 9]

Or it says a lot that you rated him at 12 and every other recruiting department didn't rate him anywhere near that.

Ultimately North could of done this so many other ways. FOS pick just had to be split as while he will be a good player he is not what North needed. Daniel trade is diabolical.

To be fair to Rawlings the team let him down. No way North expected to be bottom three again and I think that's fair. Makes it look a lot worse than if it was 10-12.

haha exactly....
I heard this was the Tigers rankings last year.

1. Lalor
2. Smillie
3. Hotton
4. Faul
5. Trainor
6. Armstrong
7. Simms

F me dead we were lucky to score our top rated players at our picks...

Just because Norths recruitment team supposedly ranked him at 12...really it means shit all.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

We haven't ****ed up a R1 pick since Phillips so not sure what you're on about here.

If Marcus didn't produce a few geniuses, somehow, you'd be mired in mid-table madness for the foreseeable.

Should have drafted tauru last year instead of another midfielder

 

[GoRoos2023]

Or it says a lot that you rated him at 12 and every other recruiting department didn't rate him anywhere near that.

Ultimately North could of done this so many other ways. FOS pick just had to be split as while he will be a good player he is not what North needed. Daniel trade is diabolical.

To be fair to Rawlings the team let him down. No way North expected to be bottom three again and I think that's fair. Makes it look a lot worse than if it was 10-12.

Thats how it all works, teams rate players differently. We shall see if our team got it right or wrong.Clubs have widely different orders based on requirements and player research.

North where very realistic on where we were going to finish. With where we are coming from they expected bottom 4. Thats been no surpise, targeted to win an extra 2 games though.

We have averaged 3 wins a season for 5 years, do you think the club realistically thought we would play finals?

3 wins to 5.5 is average, 3 wins to 7 would have been exceptional for us and was the target.

I agree on the Daniels trade, after the Whitlock trade we spent the rest of the night trying to get his brother. We didnt have the collateral in the end although we got close. Had we not of given what we did for Caleb things would have been different.

The thinking on Caleb was probably that we need to get our back 6 right and he would help, i don't think he has and I think it was a mistake, particularily in comparision to what the Saints paid for McRae.

 

[GoRoos2023]

haha exactly....
I heard this was the Tigers rankings last year.

1. Lalor
2. Smillie
3. Hotton
4. Faul
5. Trainor
6. Armstrong
7. Simms

F me dead we were lucky to score our top rated players at our picks...

Just because Norths recruitment team supposedly ranked him at 12...really it means shit all.

Well we can only draft on how we rank the player. Every club works exactly the same, the number is irrelevent to any club.

KP playersrwe ranked ahead of Whitlock where Armstrong and Taru both top 10 on our board.Faul was 14 and Trainor in 20s from memory.

 

[Wild Bill]

Well you didn't win the trade so what a pointless hypothetical

Access to the Deloran?

If Whitlock and who we take with the Tigers 2nd rounder are much better than who the Tigers take with our 1st rounder we lose this trade?

Now if it ends up like Sheezel v Gibney and Hewett - then yeah it’s a dog shit trade.

 

[Wild Bill]

As a general rule, never draft a Duursma. WCE are on notice this draft.

Has ess written all over him!!

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Let’s see who we miss out on with pick 4, at the end of the day it’s a lottery and good luck trying to bring anyone of quality into north as anyone worth pick 4 on the open market would have rocks in their head to join us.

Sure would have loved to keep it but we walk away with a key position player with two preseasons under his belt start of 2026. I don’t think it’s a disaster but it’s by no means the worse that could have happened.

I think Whitlock turns out to be a decent player the problem is you could have made a number of different trades for the pick to draft him without having to trade a future first

 

[Jugada]

Access to the Deloran?

If Whitlock and who we take with the Tigers 2nd rounder are much better than who the Tigers take with our 1st rounder we lose this trade?

Now if it ends up like Sheezel v Gibney and Hewett - then yeah it’s a dog shit trade.

It's just embarrassing going down this road lol. All trades are basically equal no matter what the picks are going by this logic

 

[Ash1337]

I think Whitlock turns out to be a decent player the problem is you could have made a number of different trades for the pick to draft him without having to trade a future first

Not really. No one else wanted to trade because how bad this draft is. The top 30 last draft would have been considered no. 1 this draft.

 

[Wild Bill]

It's just embarrassing going down this road lol. All trades are basically equal no matter what the picks are going by this logic

The trade is only as good or bad as the players you draft. If we draft Carey and Jakovich and the Tigers get Richard Tambling do they still win this trade?

The only way you can determine if a trade is a bad or good one is long after the trade is made.

 

[Wild Bill]

I think Whitlock turns out to be a decent player the problem is you could have made a number of different trades for the pick to draft him without having to trade a future first

How?? From pick 8 we offered each club our future 1st.

Looking at the up coming draft - there is a reason it was turned down 20 times.

 

[Jugada]

The trade is only as good or bad as the players you draft. If we draft Carey and Jakovich and the Tigers get Richard Tambling do they still win this trade?

The only way you can determine if a trade is a bad or good one is long after the trade is made.

Yeah thats just categorically wrong

 

[Wild Bill]

Yeah thats just categorically wrong

You didn’t answer the question.

 

[Jugada]

You didn’t answer the question.

I did answer it. What you said was complete rubbish

 

[Anythings_sipposible]

Not really. No one else wanted to trade because how bad this draft is. The top 30 last draft would have been considered no. 1 this draft.

With a straight face you're going to say that Jonty Faull, Joe Berry, Cody Angrove or Cooper Hyne would be considered number one picks over Duursma, CDT, Sharp or Lindsay? Come on now.