List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[Saintscomemarchingin]

I reckon he's a pretty competitive guy and Tassie realistically isn't going to be competitive for 6 plus years. I reckon Tassie should get Ken Hinkley. He's meant to be loved by the players and a really good teacher apparently.

They could finally give Banga the job?
Wonder if he still has the desire

 

[gringo2011]

This is the thing with trading Marshall and something the AFL surely needs to look at - if a player agrees to frontloading a contract they really shouldn't be able to get out of it later to go and sign a more lucrative one. It's a loophole in the system, and another that is designed to screw over the worse clubs, as they are the ones who are likely to be frontloading contracts in the first place.

If contracted players are traded, they should be traded WITH their contracts upheld (like the NBA) and it actually becomes a part of the whole trade valuation. You could still have a buyout clause or something similar.

If Marshall was frontloaded and is being paid unders now it would increase value as an asset greatly, which means we'd still see the benefit to frontloading him (just not the one we envisioned).

Yeah I guess it could be a massive asset for the seller. A bit like buying cap space, Geelong might end up giving up more capital to get a guy who will be on minimal pay.

 

[jimmytigs]

F*** me.. Now we've got Bulldogs supporters on our board speculating that Cal will be traded. Jaysus the rumour mill can get some wheels.

hey lets give this guy a break,before they send in pencil case to sort us all out

 

[jwikked]

The insufficient intent rule is ok, just that the umpires get it wrong too often
More training needed for those lads & lasses.

I think any rule where the umpire has to determine “intent” is fundamentally wrong for the sport. That’s why they’re so bad at umpiring the sport, they’re going by intent and feel - instead of having real rules to follow

 

[phantom13]

The insufficient intent rule is ok, just that the umpires get it wrong too often
More training needed for those lads & lasses.

They actually rarely get it wrong under the revised interpretation of insufficient intent opposed to deliberate.

The issue is much more that the public don’t quite grasp what that means.

 

[gringo2011]

Do any other clubs post like we do on these year after year. I feel whenever I'm reading the other clubs boards who are involved in our trades they all seem to move at 10% the pace.

Trade and draft period is our finals season.

 

[Nutsngum]

I was against it, but apparently the change isn’t as big as you’d think. I can’t remember the exact stat, but it’s almost insignificant.

It might be something like 4 less throw in’s per game.

I still don’t think it’s necessary, and I wish they’d remove the insufficient intent free kick.

Whilst this is true, I cant wait for a ball to fly just a tad high above a contest and go out of bounds 5 meters past the players. Gonna be a lot of pissed off people.

 

[gringo2011]

They could finally give Banga the job?
Wonder if he still has the desire

He seems happy being a pro assistant these days.

 

[Saints4ever]

I’m not concerned about fitting all theses key position players in.

There’s no doubt over the course of the year we will get injuries theirs noway you can go the year 100% injury free so it’s going to be nice to have some depth.

Don’t mind the last touch rule between the arcs, their will still be plenty of throw ins when kicking down the line and the ball is punched over the boundary.

Having multiple big men to kick it down the line too is going to be so refreshing.

Thank god they’re removing the sub I hate that rule so much.

Bring on 2026 we have a lot to be excited about.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Pretty sure that the point is to abolish the throw-in in favour of a soccer style boundary line resulting in the other team being given possession. It should make the game a lot quicker with less time for setting up structures and less time taken getting the rucks set up etc.

The ball will still get thrown up for stoppages after tackles etc.

While they are at it .... any backward kicks back into D50 should be automatic play on

And no 30sec set shot routine if the ball is marked or free kick given outside 50 ... even if the player can kick it 60m ..... if its a shot after the siren then no issue

 

[Heavensent]

Pretty sure that the point is to abolish the throw-in in favour of a soccer style boundary line resulting in the other team being given possession. It should make the game a lot quicker with less time for setting up structures and less time taken getting the rucks set up etc.

The ball will still get thrown up for stoppages after tackles etc.

It’s only last touch out of bounds off a kick or hand pass that will be a free. So knock ons, deflections and spoils from a marking contest will still be a throw in. And it only applies between the arcs.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

I was against it, but apparently the change isn’t as big as you’d think. I can’t remember the exact stat, but it’s almost insignificant.

It might be something like 4 less throw in’s per game.

I still don’t think it’s necessary, and I wish they’d remove the insufficient intent free kick.

Agree, was fired up trying to rescue my usually signature steaks I f*cked for dinner. Please ignore me

 

[austinnn]

Jason Heatley

Great shout. The ultimate one season wonder. I hope '97 was a contract year for him!

 

[Rogue Warrior]

Does the deliberate out of bounds rule still exist or can you deliberately tap it out to generate a throw in?

 

[Xxxx66]

We have to have a delistment plan going forward as well .... 1 year deal might see him gone at the end of next year ... along with a few others of course

I wonder who he lives with?

 

[Mat Mann]

So cause umpires can't determine player intent we get rid of throw ins

Report says last disposal

What happens in AFLW?

They call it Lasso

if the ball is in dispute, it's a throw-in, clear-cut kick, it's a free, players seem to know when it's a free or not, rare that calls are disputed

 

[bergholt]

I think any rule where the umpire has to determine “intent” is fundamentally wrong for the sport. That’s why they’re so bad at umpiring the sport, they’re going by intent and feel - instead of having real rules to follow

Spot on, I'm in favour of basically any and every rule change which gets rid of umpire intent judgements.

 

[PandaG]

I thin

With Leek Aleer nominating saints, along with JSOS, do we think that means Marshall is more than likely traded ?
Now have Hammer, Wilkie, Aleer and JSOS

The Vikings forward ?
With King, Sharman, Owens?

Hammer backup ruckman with TDK needs a rest ?
Or Keeler ?

Thoughts ?

Or keep Marshall ?

I think Marshall will be traded and the cats will give up their first pick for him
I also can’t see Steele at the saints next year unless he is okay to give up the captaincy and play 50% as a fwd

 

[jonathons11]

Anyway we can get a tally for top 10 most posts in these threads

 

[Mat Mann]

The insufficient intent rule is ok, just that the umpires get it wrong too often
More training needed for those lads & lasses.

we need to make the rules easier, their modelling shows it will only add 2 more free's a game, give it a go, works fine in the AFLW, can always change it back it it's crap

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Great shout. The ultimate one season wonder. I hope '97 was a contract year for him!

76 goals for the year, what a pick up

 

[Joffaboy]

So as an aside, its been three weeks since NAZ signed. Could you imagine this place if he still was leaving us dangling.

 

[Mat Mann]

Agree, was fired up trying to rescue my usually signature steaks I f*cked for dinner. Please ignore me

had a 300g porterhouse with fresh pepper sauce, bloody delicious

 

[Mat Mann]

What a career

 

[sauce_head]

When will the Suns assistance package end?